Matthew 16:18, Catholic Church

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i-post daw daun i-discuss nato.

[necrotic freak]

walay hubaray, verse by verse.
hatagan tikag verse nga ang tao puede mahimong dios (apan dili DIOS), unsa man.
wala man ko nimo minusi bro, naluoy man gani ko nimo.

Peace!

maayo diay ka masantos rcruman kay maloloyon man ka.. hala ihatag dayon aron atong hashasan. kay mag verse by verse mahimo ta ug static nga robot ana ruman.

[xiao-xiao]

daghan mn gods diri sa kalibutan... kanang mga feeling nga labaw pa sila sa Ginoo.

[dartzed]

OT: ahahahaha abi man nako ang wala sa bible d sakto.. dapat naay jud ebidensya...

[tribu]

better review your understanding or knowledge bro.
Cephas doesn't mean "ROCK"

Cephas = "stone"
another name for the apostle Peter
Kephas - Greek Lexicon

in Matthew 16:18 it states:
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And I say (5719) also unto thee, That thou art (574 Peter, and upon this rock I will build (5692) my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against (5692) it.

the word ROCK there is not Cephas but Petra.

Petra pet'-ra
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Feminine 6:95,834
Definition
a rock, cliff or ledge
a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
a rock, a large stone
metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul

Translated Words
KJV (16) - rock, 16;
NAS (15) - rock, 10; rocks, 3; rocky, 2;
Petra - Greek Lexicon

and the real ROCK according to the bible is CHRIST and everything about faith must be build upon HIM.

Peace!

it is you who better review your understanding or knowledge.

you keep on insisting about petros and petra when it is clear that in aramaic it's kepha and jesus spoke aramaic and not greek. and don't give me a greek lexicon. kepha is not greek, it's aramaic.

here are non-catholic christian scholars who solidify the proof that kephas is "rock" though in greek it is petros (stone/peebles) and petra (rock/big stone). but it was clear that jesus spoke aramaic and in aramaic kephas is "rock".

here's from a non-catholic christian scholar:

Although it is true that petros and petra can mean "stone" and "rock" respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses ("you are kepha" and "on this kepha"), since the word was used both for a name and for a "rock". The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.

The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368
JPK pages 17-18

you can read the rest here:

Who is the Rock?

[chad_tukes]

OT: you sure it is impossible or u just cant? coz u dont have? if u have then what are your moral standards? post as many as you like..
are you a pure aetheist? then you must not believe in any gods or god and oppose to their teachings and moral standards.

you are simply not getting my point at all.

oh well.

[rcruman]

it is you who better review your understanding or knowledge.

you keep on insisting about petros and petra when it is clear that in aramaic it's kepha and jesus spoke aramaic and not greek. and don't give me a greek lexicon. kepha is not greek, it's aramaic.

here are non-catholic christian scholars who solidify the proof that kephas is "rock" though in greek it is petros (stone/peebles) and petra (rock/big stone). but it was clear that jesus spoke aramaic and in aramaic kephas is "rock".

here's from a non-catholic christian scholar:

Although it is true that petros and petra can mean "stone" and "rock" respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses ("you are kepha" and "on this kepha"), since the word was used both for a name and for a "rock". The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.

The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368
JPK pages 17-18

you can read the rest here:

Who is the Rock?

My question to you, what is being used in Matthew 16:18? is it KEPHAS or PETRA?
kana lang sa.

Peace!

[JX]

OT:

kung kinsa to kahibaw ug aramaic, pls dw ko ug translate "i read the bible" and "i understand the bible"

thanks..

[rcruman]

it is you who better review your understanding or knowledge.

you keep on insisting about petros and petra when it is clear that in aramaic it's kepha and jesus spoke aramaic and not greek. and don't give me a greek lexicon. kepha is not greek, it's aramaic.

here are non-catholic christian scholars who solidify the proof that kephas is "rock" though in greek it is petros (stone/peebles) and petra (rock/big stone). but it was clear that jesus spoke aramaic and in aramaic kephas is "rock".

here's from a non-catholic christian scholar:

Although it is true that petros and petra can mean "stone" and "rock" respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses ("you are kepha" and "on this kepha"), since the word was used both for a name and for a "rock". The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.

The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368
JPK pages 17-18

you can read the rest here:

Who is the Rock?

this something for you to find out, with open heart.

Interlinear Study Bible on StudyLight.org
16:18 [ Greek Font Size: – / + | Toggle Font ] [ View in: BYZ / TR | Side-by-side | Greek Lexical Parser ]
And I say (5719) also unto thee, That thou art (574 Peter, and upon this rock I will build (5692) my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against (5692) it.

the word rock there is:

Petra pet'-ra
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Feminine 6:95,834
Definition
a rock, cliff or ledge
a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
a rock, a large stone
metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul

while in John 1:42:

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And he brought (5627) him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld (5660) him, he said (5627) , Thou art (574 Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called (5701) Cephas, which is by interpretation (5743) , A stone.

Interlinear Study Bible on StudyLight.org

Kephas kay-fas'
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Masculine 6:100,835
Definition
Cephas = "stone"
another name for the apostle Peter


so answer me now bro, pareha ba ang KEPHAS og PETRA?

Peace!

[necrotic freak]

^^depensa jud ruman.