Do you believe in God? If so/if no, WHY?

[josephdc]

he points to the christian god for no apparent reason, not even probability. plainly coz that's his belief. very biased approach. hehehe one of its major flaw.

The argument itself does seem to have a lot of problems, especially if you look at it objectively. I guess maka-ingun jud ta nga it's very biased against the other religions. But still I prefer to look at it another way. The notes that became the Pensees were originally intended to form part of a larger apologetic work for the Christian religion di ba? So he had a plan to write a major work to defend the faith. Unfortunately he died before completing it. So I guess the wager can be seen as part of a larger apologetic work. The wager does indeed look like it's a very insufficient and flawed argument for God's existence, but considering that it was only part of a larger apologetic work that he was unable to finish, we can probably say that Pascal intended to present as his argument not just the wager but his work as a whole.

yeps, that wager wreaks of cowardice and selfishness.
practicality...dont know about that.

Today, kung mao ra na imo reason ngano mutuo ka og Ginoo, siguro maka-ingun jud ta nga mura'g taphaw ra man kaayo na nga rason oi hehe... But again the context of Pascal's time I think was that people did not have confidence in reason to bring them to a knowledge of a Supreme Being. So he suggested the wager as an option for people who were very cynical about the reason's ability to come to any knowledge of an ultimate truth.

will on its own is already free.
thats just an oxy***** to me.hehe
if your god knows everything...with its omnimaxness, what you have is just an illusion of "free will".

I think the reason why it's called "free will" is that our will can sometimes be "unfree". We can "will" ourselves to do bad things, like get into vices or addictions, but those things make us unfree. There are certain actions which when we do them consistently, we become more free to do things that make us better human beings.

We are still free because we have the power to choose our courses of action. It's just that God knows what will happen to us no matter what decision we make. God knows the countless outcomes that our decisions may lead us to. But he never controls us because he respects our dignity.

[josephdc]

the belief of the afterlife is what stops you from focusing on what truly is important, and that is NOW, and it always has been. You are so used in believing that there will be a "heaven" waiting out there for us when we die, that somehow your consciousness will be willing to accept the norms of society today, coz you think "hey, even if that family is poor in this life, i know there will be a heaven waiting for them in the next life." It would stop you from doing something about it.

i hope i'm making sense here. I'm trying my best to write in english even though i'm not yet good at it. this is good practice hehe.
but i'm just trying to prove a point. that's the beauty of freedom, you yourself have
the choice in how you live your life.

love and peace.

Bro, can you share with us what Zeitgeist is all about? Wala pa ko katan-aw sa videos imo gihatag but I'll look into it.

I have a question bro. If God does not exist, would it matter? If he exists, would it be okay to think that he doesn't exist or that he doesn't matter and move on with life? If he's just a concept, then I guess we can simply wish him away and he'd be gone. But what if he's real?

I think that many people seem to be guilty of what you were saying. People who believe in an after life or in a heaven seem to take the status quo passively and learn to adapt to it instead of changing it. But there are also many, many people who because they believe in a heaven, focus on the here and now. Like the Couples For Christ ministry and their Gawad Kalinga projects, they help build homes and schools in many destitute areas. Many secular groups participate in GK, too, but the group that led the way was CFC and its ministries, and Tony Meloto who is a very religious and spiritual man.

[sleep_not]

@groovestreet:
That is the essence of freedom and freewill, you have yours, we have ours... you do these, we'll do that...

[oOmUnKyOo]

bisag unsaon ug bali2x ang kalibutan naa juy Ginoo...God exist and the Devil Exist...same thing with if do good and evil exist...which is obvious. Nigawas nuon ako Ingles..jejeje

[mr_surfer]

for me until now i'm so doubtful for that, there's a possibility true and possibility not true, 'coz i don't see him, but i believe that there is man above all, and i don't know WHO

[korosukun]

I believe in God... because i cant even explain how we are created... even life itself is a mystery...

[grovestreet]

Bro, can you share with us what Zeitgeist is all about? Wala pa ko katan-aw sa videos imo gihatag but I'll look into it.

here is one speech of jiddu krishnamurti that was included in the movie. Maybe it will give you an idea on what the movie is all about. or why not just watch the movie for yourself. hehe.

"We will see, how very important it is to bring about in the human mind, a radical revolution.
The crisis, is a crisis in consciousness... A crisis that cannot anymore, accept the old norms, the old patterns, the ancient tradition.
And considering what the world is now... with all the misery, conflict, destructive brutality, aggression and so on. Man is still as it was... is still brutal, violent, aggressive, acquisitive, competitive... and he has built a society along these lines."

-J. Krishnamurti

[munzter666]

The argument itself does seem to have a lot of problems, especially if you look at it objectively. I guess maka-ingun jud ta nga it's very biased against the other religions. But still I prefer to look at it another way. The notes that became the Pensees were originally intended to form part of a larger apologetic work for the Christian religion di ba? So he had a plan to write a major work to defend the faith. Unfortunately he died before completing it. So I guess the wager can be seen as part of a larger apologetic work. The wager does indeed look like it's a very insufficient and flawed argument for God's existence, but considering that it was only part of a larger apologetic work that he was unable to finish, we can probably say that Pascal intended to present as his argument not just the wager but his work as a whole.

wager was intended to defend his faith and lets say sucker some points, not a general rule of thumb of some sorts. masabi mo ring selfish reason kasi, he did not factor in the other possibilities...layman's term: cheating

Today, kung mao ra na imo reason ngano mutuo ka og Ginoo, siguro maka-ingun jud ta nga mura'g taphaw ra man kaayo na nga rason oi hehe... But again the context of Pascal's time I think was that people did not have confidence in reason to bring them to a knowledge of a Supreme Being. So he suggested the wager as an option for people who were very cynical about the reason's ability to come to any knowledge of an ultimate truth.

that would still fall under false reassurance/pretenses....not a good excuse to "cheat" too.hehe

I think the reason why it's called "free will" is that our will can sometimes be "unfree". We can "will" ourselves to do bad things, like get into vices or addictions, but those things make us unfree. There are certain actions which when we do them consistently, we become more free to do things that make us better human beings.

We are still free because we have the power to choose our courses of action. It's just that God knows what will happen to us no matter what decision we make. God knows the countless outcomes that our decisions may lead us to. But he never controls us because he respects our dignity.

if this god knows everything...even to the choices you make. and still call it free??
so some people were just predestined to be scum and aholes afterall??
if this god knows this person will kill countless of people...and allows it to happen??
and this god intends to correct that by making one huge barbecue grill??
love, mercy, just.
free will...if you do it for conditions A, B, or C. still free?

you dont have to answer that...just voicing my thoughts.

[Sinyalan]

I believe in God... because i cant even explain how we are created... even life itself is a mystery...

Have you try reading science books?

[oOmUnKyOo]

for me until now i'm so doubtful for that, there's a possibility true and possibility not true, 'coz i don't see him, but i believe that there is man above all, and i don't know WHO

mutoo kag Hangin bro? nkita nimo?
Just like Thomas....