SONA ni GMA 2008

[omar50071]

well, we really can't tell unless we have statistics to complete the picture.

pareho ani gud:

2000 - 33 out of 100 Pinoys live below poverty level
2003 - 30 out of 100 Pinoys live below poverty level

so meaning, from 2000 to 2003, ni decline ang poverty sa Pinas by 3%.

How about from 2003 to 2006?
Did you intentionally skip that part?

Here, you scan look at this bigger picture.

no, i didn't say HK is comparable to Pinas in terms of petty crimes. i say, no matter how low their

crime rate is, there is still always petty crimes like snatching. ikaw ra btaw nangutana kng naay bay

snatcher sa HK. My answer: Naa.

You were quoting me about criminality as the price of progress and said "even HK is notorious for their street crimes". So I asked if naa ba snatchers sa HK, and according to your source of info, isolated case ra ang snatching or petty crimes, so dili diay notorious. Wala ko makig lalis kung naa ba snatcher, I was only asking.

well, as for me, im not brushing aside from reality. Now, how you fit this reality to your way of

thinking totally depends on oneself, whether u feel u r hopeless, pessimistic, or optimistic. Why i

chose to be optimistic when the problems we have now is beyond my personal capacity is because also of

FAITH and HOPE and LOVE. i know that "faith & hope" are outside the bounds of logic but it is not only

logic that makes up life. it doesn't also mean that coz i have hope or faith, i don't have logic or

reason. We are human, not robots.

As I said before, I am with you on optimism regarding the status of our country. What we don't agree with is you choose not to acknowledge the reality of worsening corruption and unemployment. And here's my basis for that...

Jobless people? how many? we need numbers people.

Corruption? we also need numbers. yes, we are one in the top list but they are all based on perception.

The concepts of optimism concern people’s expectations for the future. If u have goals, u need

motivation, u need optimism.

and i don't even think there is such a thing called "a false sense of optimism". Coz optimism is an

attitude. what u meant maybe was FALSE HOPE. False hope is based entirely around a fantasy or an

extremely unlikely outcome. and i don't see my optimist views towards our Phils as one false hope. I

love my country. It is my home. Even if i will be abroad, my heart is where my home is.

Do we really need to argue about "false sense of optimism"....important thing is the message was comprehended.

no bro, that's not the message meant by it. unsa guy "better not report petty crimes"?

ang pasabot pre is that ky ang HK organized crime lage nila does not necessarily equate w/ street

crime, nagpasabot ana posible ma trap ang HK people into feeling a false sense of security. Kay wala

may high levels of street crime and no great numbers of organised crime syndicates, the people of HK,

as suggested, gatuo (DILI GIPA TUO) nga ilang sociedad, in law and order terms, healthy and clean.

Although this may not be the case.

--no high level of street crimes?
--no great numbers of organized crime?

of course people would surely think they are in law and order and their is nothing to be optimistic about it.

[giddyboy]

How about from 2003 to 2006?
Did you intentionally skip that part?
Here, you scan look at this bigger picture.

nope. i was just citing an example about the need to cite real numbers for a picture of our poverty situation. coz previously u were just citing net satisfaction ratings. while it is also good to know perception-wise, we need to know the "real". well, good that u have a 2006 figure. i was even expecting it from u.

You were quoting me about criminality as the price of progress and said "even HK is notorious for their street crimes". So I asked if naa ba snatchers sa HK, and according to your source of info, isolated case ra ang snatching or petty crimes, so dili diay notorious. Wala ko makig lalis kung naa ba snatcher, I was only asking.

no, petty crimes in HK are not isolated cases. what i said about "isolated" only are the robberies in HK Country Parks, COUNTRY PARKS ra ha.

i may have been erred in stating "notorious for street crimes". But what i meant was "organized crime that equates or relates to street crimes". Just like the HK Triad for example, though noted for their organized crime, it doesn't mean their crimes doesn't in any way equate to street crime pud. The drugs they sell would equate to an addict raping somebody in some street corner or snatching bags to sustain his vice. It would also mean a Triad member abusing a open bar waitress. and etc. etc.

As I said before, I am with you on optimism regarding the status of our country. What we don't agree with is you choose not to acknowledge the reality of worsening corruption and unemployment. And here's my basis for that...

did i say there in any way that i did not acknowledge? This i say that "jobless? how many? we need numbers" tantamount to not acknowledging? asa gud ka mangahoy ana? i was just asking how many in numbers...with the intention to compare these records with previous ones. then anha na mahibaw-an kung ni-improve ba ta or not. how do u know ni-worsen ba? hakop sa hangin? mao btaw i said "we need numbers people" inorder for us to know.

ti-aw mo na, if u say, "ni-worsen ang poverty nato" when in fact we, in 2006, is at par w/ 2000 figures at 33%. so unsa ray ni-worsen? ang perception nga ni-worsen...

ug ti-aw mo na niingon ka nga "ni-worsen atong unemployment", when in fact in July 2007 it was only at 7.8% as compared to July 2004 figure at 11.8%, per Labor Force survey. how do u know ni-worsen? from smoke? what maybe be corrected from your statement is that our UNDEREMPLOYMENT (NOT UNEMPLOYMENT) rose from 17.5% in July 2004 to 22.0% in July 2007.

and regarding my say on corruption, still it doesn't mean i didn't acknowledge it. i was just noting the fact that all these surveys done on corruption were based on perception. Yes, i believe them "perception-wise", that most Pinoys believe our country is more corrupt than ever. But my belief can't be made complete without "real" numbers. Just like I want to believe the survey done where Erap and Marcos got into the top 10 of world's most corrupt presidents, from "real" numbers.

Do we really need to argue about "false sense of optimism"....important thing is the message was comprehended.

coz u make it look like "optimism" is something to be sensed falsely. it's not. coz optimism is an attitude. Bsan pa naa ka rn sa tunga2x sa gubat sa MILF or living in the jungles of Africa.

why we need to argue on "optimism"? coz it is the basis of attitude towards motivating to oneself's goals whether personal or something for the country. without it, it can be very easy to say the Phils is doomed. without it, it can be very easy to say "mularga nlng ko sa States ky way ayo ang Pinas"...see?

now in contrast, if one has optimism, he myt say "corruption is a big problem in the Phils but the fight isn't over yet", or, "mularga ko sa States to help my family financially but it doesn't mean way ayo ang Pinas, It means there are opportunities in the world out there. And i always know where my home is"...

--no high level of street crimes?
--no great numbers of organized crime?

of course people would surely think they are in law and order and their is nothing to be optimistic about it.

"nothing to be optimistic about it?" i don't think so. if HK people think (dili gpa think ha) that they are healthy and clean in terms of law and order, even if that may not really be the case, then it gives them more motivation in their personal life's goal and more pride for their country. And if given this inherent motivation, optimism will already be a given.

Do u think pessimism is the cause why HK is what it is now today?

Do u think that corruption (in real numbers) is the only factor why the Phils isn't progressing like the rest? coz it's also the factor of having a perception that we can't solve it. it is also a factor of not being optimistic, therefore no motivation to solve it in the first place.

[omad]

Is that so.....how about this one,

satisfied now? you can start clearing your eyes from the smoke coming from my behind...

I've read that report when it came out last August. but you failed big-time to include -intentionally or unintentionally- the survey background, which I think is very important in presenting surveys. based on that particular survey - only 1,200 - let's say that again: ONLY ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED adults were interviewed. no matter how SCIENTIFIC and RELIABLE such surveys are conducted, BUT 1,200 of over 90,000,000 or only .0013 % IS a very minuscule percentage to hinge our beliefs upon. before you run your mouth and think that this survey is fool-proof and infallible, check the percentages first if it represents the 90,000,000 as a whole. by the looks of it, it seemed like you've won the lottery when you presented this survey but honestly, 1,200 is no way close to representing over 90 million Filipinos.

...and next time, DON'T FORGET to include the survey background so there would be no misleading those who read these surveys you presented. let the public know where, when and HOW the survey was conducted and let them decide what they think about it from there.

so let's update the count, it's now 1,202 and that includes omar50071 and cdburgh of those who gave a negative *net satisfaction to the present administration... BIG DEAL.

another case of: so much ado about nothing...

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Survey Background

The Second Quarter of 2008 Social Weather Survey was conducted over June 27-30, 2008 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults divided into random samples of 300 each in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages and ±6% for area percentages). The area estimates were weighted by National Statistics Office medium-population projections for 2008 to obtain the national estimates.

Second Quarter 2008 Social Weather Survey

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

And who wants to believe SURVEYS now ? heck I want to be surveyed too .... wheres mine ?

[Raikage]

The SONA was just for show........maboang ko GMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABS CBN nalang ko hehehehhehe

[cdburgh]

if you think the 1200 do not represent the whole 90M pinoys. do you have any numbers to counter that survey? but please, do not just tell us that the remaining 89998798 pinoys (that's 1202 less of the 90M) are happy with the current state of the country.

I've read that report when it came out last August. but you failed big-time to include -intentionally or unintentionally- the survey background, which I think is very important in presenting surveys. based on that particular survey - only 1,200 - let's say that again: ONLY ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED adults were interviewed. no matter how SCIENTIFIC and RELIABLE such surveys are conducted, BUT 1,200 of over 90,000,000 or only .0013 % IS a very minuscule percentage to hinge our beliefs upon. before you run your mouth and think that this survey is fool-proof and infallible, check the percentages first if it represents the 90,000,000 as a whole. by the looks of it, it seemed like you've won the lottery when you presented this survey but honestly, 1,200 is no way close to representing over 90 million Filipinos.

...and next time, DON'T FORGET to include the survey background so there would be no misleading those who read these surveys you presented. let the public know where, when and HOW the survey was conducted and let them decide what they think about it from there.

so let's update the count, it's now 1,202 and that includes omar50071 and cdburgh of those who gave a negative *net satisfaction to the present administration... BIG DEAL.

another case of: so much ado about nothing...

__________________________________________________ ________________________

Survey Background

The Second Quarter of 2008 Social Weather Survey was conducted over June 27-30, 2008 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults divided into random samples of 300 each in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages and ±6% for area percentages). The area estimates were weighted by National Statistics Office medium-population projections for 2008 to obtain the national estimates.

Second Quarter 2008 Social Weather Survey

[omar50071]

The problem with these people is that they thought survey and census are one and the same, gusto nila tagsa-tagsa-on ug ihap......gusto nila house to house ang counting...hahayzzz......some managerial thinker jud.

[giddyboy]

i can't deny that the survey was done with factor of significance and w/ margins of error. i can't deny that the random sampling of 1,200 is done with the purpose of representing the 90M Filipinos.

that's Statistics 101. u take small pinches of salt from a big bottle of salt. and that includes a pinch at the top, the bottom, the center, and the sides. and viola! those pinches represent the whole bottle of salt in terms of color and quality. and taste too.

but we should not deny the fact that the survey was done via face-to-face interviews from people from all walks of life. Simply put, this survey was done to get the perception of people's views on corruption from petty bribery to bigger gov't transactions. and even without them experiencing it.

Results from face-to-face interviews can be valid if the interviewer is not biased in the first place. Problem is, we don't know that. the other problem is, if the questions tends to be discriminatory. (just like what happened to the Western Watts case)

other than perception, this survey doesn't hold ground. but im not saying perception is not important... it is.

coz this will be a gauge from the admin side how to regain their reputations (perception-wise) and improve their services. unfortunately, this will be an ammunition for the opposition side to attack their opponent.