SONA ni GMA 2008

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Of course I will be aiming for the better, who would not? But it does not give me much assurance given this type of administration. Basin mo ingon nasad mo ako gi blame ang government ha, palawmi gamay pud inyo reasoning palihug.

Really ? Since when have you been AIMING for the BETTER bai ? Since you already thought of knowing whats good for you right ? Trust me .... if youve met your goal in ERAPS term , you'll exceed your quota on PGMA's term . Blaming the government is a given the moment you said "But it does not give me much assurance given this type of administration. "

As I said before, NFA rice is ok for human consumption, not filthy ha, pero lahi ra kaayo baho ug lami sa commercial rice like Ganador.

That also explains YOU GET WHAT PAY FOR . BTW bro , what were you doing in those NFA WAREHOUSES ? Gi check lang nimo ang standards ?

I can only assume na minimal kay it did not reach the front pages, or I have'nt heard any from anyone I know who's been there, so far ikaw pa ako na dunggan.

Hahaha ... bai dont mock yourself . Kung maka sulti pa ka cguro bai the heads you knew whose been there is more than you can count your fingers , mo tuo pa ko bisan 1 lang ka incident and that doesnt mean it has to be them as the victims . ANyhoo ... OFFTOPIC because its got nothing to do with SONA .

Politically motivated or not, as long as their is truth to it, wala koy problema. Parehas gud kang ERAP sa una, it was politically motivated also, mao na kick-out cya.

YES ... all are .... the problem is there is NO TRUTH YET from the DETRACTORS of PGMA .

Mao ba.....what are her accomplishments? Bollooning our foriegn debts greater than the three presidents combined? Making us number one in corruption? Lying? Cheating?

And you said that you dont want to BLAME the government . Kung nagpakabana ka bro , there is no need of REPLIES and LINKS to convince you .

We are lucky we dont belong in the lower class, it does not mean also that all the poor people deserve to be there. I seriously doubt your notion that they are all lazy.

Actually .... put it this way bro . My parents sold CARABAO MANGOES to send me to the best school they can afford . Today , I can send my nieces and nephews to the BEST SCHOOLS MONEY can afford . Dili na siya panghambiog because I know where I got my money . From HARDWORK and PERSEVERANCE and not from POINTING FINGERS and being LAZY . I am not lucky and dont believe in LUCK , I aim high .

[p0knat]

i want to give Bayani Fernando a try to be the President of the Phils..

ganahan ko sa way pag pitol niya sa mga gahi ug ulo..d man mkuha ug storyaon..d ari sa dahas hehehe

kung modagan xa pagka Pres. botar jud ko 100%

[giddyboy]

I was not describing economy, I was reacting to your comment.

when u say "the rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer", isn't that in fact reacting to my comment by describing our supposed economy via proverb or catchphrase? AFAIK, that is frequently used in discussing the subject of ECONOMIC INEQUALITY man.

so u can not say u r NOT describing economy but only reacting to my comment. It's both.

You got it wrong, my point is, people who used to buy premium rice before now opt to buy low quality NFA rice out of poverty. When you are used to eat premium rice, you would know the difference between those two.

well, that i agree. but nanimahong ok-ok, i don't. sauna ra na bro kad2 dghan binuang ang mga retailers. and if u say people who used to buy premium rice before opt to buy NFA rice now, well, there are also people who used to buy NFA rice before who opt to buy quality rice now.

According to your source, its an isolated case, but here you say its the other way around?
Anyway, you still cannot discount the fact that HK is much more safer then pinas.

The isolated cases were the robberies in HK Country Parks. and that's not the only one i mentioned from the advisory. pls. read it again. (and of course, we can't discount the fact HK is safer than Pinas, STREETCRIME-WISE.)

besides, i was only proving that in HK, though one of the safest places in the world, still have snatchers. u asked the question, i answered.

Im with you on optimism, you should also be realistic, reasonable and rational, kay delikado kaayo, we might fall into a false sense of optimism. We should also consider the things that are happening in reality, not rejecting facts.

op kors, with optimism, there should also be reason, rationality, and being realistic. that's why i even said we have a big problem with corruption. that's not in any way having a false sense of optimism. that is admittance of reality, being reasonable, and with rationality, WITH OPTIMISM.

Now when u talk of reason, that's characterized by logic. It is the ability to think, understand and draw conclusions. It is in contrast to emotionalism.

EMOTION without LOGIC/REASON = FAITH ...that's another story.

Rationality is related to reason. Optimistically, it will be like this:

...Our Phil gov't is perceived to be very corrupt, one of the biggest problem in our country.

...We don't want the Phil gov't to be corrupt.

...If we fight corruption, the Phils will minimize corruption.

...THEREFORE, we fight corruption.

Are you really serious in your presumption regarding the false sense of security to the people in HK? I don't think people there are that stupid to buy that.

It's not a presumption, mind u. It is a reference i got from wiki. here's part of the text:

"As organised crime does not necessarily equate with street crime, it has been said that Hong Kong society can be lulled into a false sense of security. Without high levels of street crime and no great numbers of Mafia-style organised crime syndicates, it has been suggested that the people of Hong Kong, believe that their society is, in law and order terms, healthy and clean, although this may not be the case."

buy it or not, it's up to u...

Assurance? Who's asking for assurance?
You must have confused me with someone else here....

no. i didn't confuse u w/ someone else. u said, "But it does not give me much assurance given this type of administration." what other meaning did u intend to say diay ani huh? r u confused w/ urself?

[tambol111]

wala jud ayo.. wala maka benifit ang nga taw

[omar50071]

Really ? Since when have you been AIMING for the BETTER bai ? Since you already thought of knowing whats good for you right ? Trust me .... if youve met your goal in ERAPS term , you'll exceed your quota on PGMA's term . Blaming the government is a given the moment you said "But it does not give me much assurance given this type of administration. "

Daan pa lagi jud ko...let me ask you a question nalang.

In which country do you guys think you have a higher chance of living a better life (financially wise), here in Pinas or in US? Spare me from hypocrisy ha, obviously we all know the answer.

That also explains YOU GET WHAT PAY FOR . BTW bro , what were you doing in those NFA WAREHOUSES ? Gi check lang nimo ang standards ?

Exactly, mao bitaw barato kay baho-baho ug walay lami.
Lets just say I know someone working in NFA.

Hahaha ... bai dont mock yourself . Kung maka sulti pa ka cguro bai the heads you knew whose been there is more than you can count your fingers , mo tuo pa ko bisan 1 lang ka incident and that doesnt mean it has to be them as the victims . ANyhoo ... OFFTOPIC because its got nothing to do with SONA .

Ako napud hulaman imo logic ha....have you been there long enough to know personally that those petty crimes like snatching occur regularly in HK? Can you provide some verifiable information regarding those petty crimes (not syndicated crimes ha) happening in HK?

YES ... all are .... the problem is there is NO TRUTH YET from the DETRACTORS of PGMA .

Everybody knows she rigged the elections by calling Garci, and deep inside you knew it.

And you said that you dont want to BLAME the government . Kung nagpakabana ka bro , there is no need of REPLIES and LINKS to convince you .

Kapoya anang "blame" oi....for the record, I was not blaming this administration for the life I had now coz in the first place, I'm doing ok, no thanks for this admin. Now for the misfortunes I mentioned earlier, who do you think should be blamed for that? among iro?

Actually .... put it this way bro . My parents sold CARABAO MANGOES to send me to the best school they can afford . Today , I can send my nieces and nephews to the BEST SCHOOLS MONEY can afford . Dili na siya panghambiog because I know where I got my money . From HARDWORK and PERSEVERANCE and not from POINTING FINGERS and being LAZY . I am not lucky and dont believe in LUCK , I aim high .

You are still lucky your parents can afford to send you to the best schools, how about those who are born in poverty? It is not their choice to be born that way mind you. Who do you think should have the social responsibility for them to acquire education and skills, si Lucio Tan?

[omar50071]

when u say "the rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer", isn't that in fact reacting to my comment by describing our supposed economy via proverb or catchphrase? AFAIK, that is frequently used in discussing the subject of ECONOMIC INEQUALITY man.

so u can not say u r NOT describing economy but only reacting to my comment. It's both.

Whatever bro....it doesn't matter to me how you absorb that sentence anyway.

well, that i agree. but nanimahong ok-ok, i don't. sauna ra na bro kad2 dghan binuang ang mga retailers. and if u say people who used to buy premium rice before opt to buy NFA rice now, well, there are also people who used to buy NFA rice before who opt to buy quality rice now.

I can agree with you na naa pud ni asenso, pero I seriously doubt kung mas daghan sila in terms of number.

The isolated cases were the robberies in HK Country Parks. and that's not the only one i mentioned from the advisory. pls. read it again. (and of course, we can't discount the fact HK is safer than Pinas, STREETCRIME-WISE.)

besides, i was only proving that in HK, though one of the safest places in the world, still have snatchers. u asked the question, i answered.

So the premise that HK is comparable to pinas in terms of petty crimes is flawed. So we better stop this HK argument.

op kors, with optimism, there should also be reason, rationality, and being realistic. that's why i even said we have a big problem with corruption. that's not in any way having a false sense of optimism. that is admittance of reality, being reasonable, and with rationality, WITH OPTIMISM.

Now when u talk of reason, that's characterized by logic. It is the ability to think, understand and draw conclusions. It is in contrast to emotionalism.

EMOTION without LOGIC/REASON = FAITH ...that's another story.

Rationality is related to reason. Optimistically, it will be like this:

...Our Phil gov't is perceived to be very corrupt, one of the biggest problem in our country.

...We don't want the Phil gov't to be corrupt.

...If we fight corruption, the Phils will minimize corruption.

...THEREFORE, we fight corruption.

We should also acknowledge the reality of corruption and the rising numbers of jobless people which this administration has failed to address. Brushing away or turning the other cheeck from this reality is somewhat a false sense of optimism.

read this quote below.....this is where we started.

Jobless people? how many? we need numbers people.
Corruption? we also need numbers. yes, we are one in the top list but they are all based on perception.

It's not a presumption, mind u. It is a reference i got from wiki. here's part of the text:

"As organised crime does not necessarily equate with street crime, it has been said that Hong Kong society can be lulled into a false sense of security. Without high levels of street crime and no great numbers of Mafia-style organised crime syndicates, it has been suggested that the people of Hong Kong, believe that their society is, in law and order terms, healthy and clean, although this may not be the case."

buy it or not, it's up to u...

So you are saying that it is better not to report petty crimes so as to promote positive attitude among the people? That's totally absurd bro....

no. i didn't confuse u w/ someone else. u said, "But it does not give me much assurance given this type of administration." what other meaning did u intend to say diay ani huh? r u confused w/ urself?

Ni labang diay ka sa amo discussion ni Spingy, basaha nalang to ako respond niya kay kapoy balik ug type. Kinsa may dili ma confused anang mag labang-labang oi....unsaon nato pagka sinabot, wala pa gani ta maghuman, namalit naka ug lain argument.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Daan pa lagi jud ko...let me ask you a question nalang.

In which country do you guys think you have a higher chance of living a better life (financially wise), here in Pinas or in US? Spare me from hypocrisy ha, obviously we all know the answer.

Daan pa lage jud ka how ? Anyways , actually USA would be the last place you would want to go since a year ago and maybe for the next 5 years bai because of RECESSION .

Exactly, mao bitaw barato kay baho-baho ug walay lami.
Lets just say I know someone working in NFA.

So whats the point ? Alangan man ug ibaligya siya na barato ? Ever since it came out of the MILLING COMPANY , its quality was already compromised .

Ako napud hulaman imo logic ha....have you been there long enough to know personally that those petty crimes like snatching occur regularly in HK? Can you provide some verifiable information regarding those petty crimes (not syndicated crimes ha) happening in HK?

Actually those 6 times ive been there , around mga 3 weeks each siya . Advisory namo both from the ambassador and the chief of police , stay away from RED LIGHT DISTRICTS ilabi na some parts of KOWLOON . You name it , MUGGERS ... SWINDLERS ... BUMS ... CRACKHEADS etc . Usbon nako , its up to you to digest what I relayed to you since its a firsthand information from a person who was actually there to witness it .

Everybody knows she rigged the elections by calling Garci, and deep inside you knew it.

And everyone knows also that the DETRACTORS called GARCI too .... so di na siya pwede himuon na HIGHLIGHT to single her out .

Kapoya anang "blame" oi....for the record, I was not blaming this administration for the life I had now coz in the first place, I'm doing ok, no thanks for this admin. Now for the misfortunes I mentioned earlier, who do you think should be blamed for that? among iro?

Of course you are doing ok . Pero dili ok ... basulon lage niom ang gobyerno . BLAME yourself . Its all your DECISIONS and not of the presidents . This goes also to those who keeps on BLAMING .

You are still lucky your parents can afford to send you to the best schools, how about those who are born in poverty? It is not their choice to be born that way mind you. Who do you think should have the social responsibility for them to acquire education and skills, si Lucio Tan?

Because they worked HARD . They did not do what others did , OVERPOPULATE over their capacity of SURVIVAL . They think and act right for the future and not just for today's . Sama ra ppod na sa mga TAPULAN na POOR ... si PGMA mo pa skwela nila ?

[omar50071]

Daan pa lage jud ka how ? Anyways , actually USA would be the last place you would want to go since a year ago and maybe for the next 5 years bai because of RECESSION .

I hate to say this but i smell hypocrisy, why?, are you not going back there coz as you said, it is the last place you would want to be.

So whats the point ? Alangan man ug ibaligya siya na barato ? Ever since it came out of the MILLING COMPANY , its quality was already compromised .

Ibaligya jud na ug barato kay dili maayo ug quality ang NFA rice, simple economics ra na bai.

Actually those 6 times ive been there , around mga 3 weeks each siya . Advisory namo both from the ambassador and the chief of police , stay away from RED LIGHT DISTRICTS ilabi na some parts of KOWLOON . You name it , MUGGERS ... SWINDLERS ... BUMS ... CRACKHEADS etc . Usbon nako , its up to you to digest what I relayed to you since its a firsthand information from a person who was actually there to witness it .

You are painting a picture of HK as a chaotic place as pinas, when in fact, petty crimes are only isolated cases unlike here.

And everyone knows also that the DETRACTORS called GARCI too .... so di na siya pwede himuon na HIGHLIGHT to single her out .

You are defending a mistake with another mistake? Let them all go to hell then if they all called Garci. Mao nay simple and unbiased analogy.

Of course you are doing ok . Pero dili ok ... basulon lage niom ang gobyerno . BLAME yourself . Its all your DECISIONS and not of the presidents . This goes also to those who keeps on BLAMING .

Taka ra man ka oi.....ako usbon ha.....

for the record, I was not blaming this administration for the life I had now coz in the first place, I'm doing ok, no thanks for this admin. Now for the misfortunes (ballooning of foriegn debt, most corrupt in asia, cheating and lying) I mentioned earlier, who do you think should be blamed for that? among iro?

Because they worked HARD . They did not do what others did , OVERPOPULATE over their capacity of SURVIVAL . They think and act right for the future and not just for today's . Sama ra ppod na sa mga TAPULAN na POOR ... si PGMA mo pa skwela nila ?

libog ko....ingon ka tapulan na poor, unya pa iskwelahon diay nang dili ganahan mo iskwela kay tapolan? Ang pa iswelahon syempre ang dili tapolan ug ang determinado sa kinabuhi.

Basin ma quote out of context napud ko ani, wala ko mo ingon walay libre na education karon ha, ang ako punto is "kulang" dili wala.

[giddyboy]

I can agree with you na naa pud ni asenso, pero I seriously doubt kung mas daghan sila in terms of number.

well, we really can't tell unless we have statistics to complete the picture. pareho ani gud:

2000 - 33 out of 100 Pinoys live below poverty level
2003 - 30 out of 100 Pinoys live below poverty level

so meaning, from 2000 to 2003, ni decline ang poverty sa Pinas by 3%.

So the premise that HK is comparable to pinas in terms of petty crimes is flawed. So we better stop this HK argument.

no, i didn't say HK is comparable to Pinas in terms of petty crimes. i say, no matter how low their crime rate is, there is still always petty crimes like snatching. ikaw ra btaw nangutana kng naay bay snatcher sa HK. My answer: Naa.

We should also acknowledge the reality of corruption and the rising numbers of jobless people which this administration has failed to address. Brushing away or turning the other cheek from this reality is somewhat a false sense of optimism.

well, as for me, im not brushing aside from reality. Now, how you fit this reality to your way of thinking totally depends on oneself, whether u feel u r hopeless, pessimistic, or optimistic. Why i chose to be optimistic when the problems we have now is beyond my personal capacity is because also of FAITH and HOPE and LOVE. i know that "faith & hope" are outside the bounds of logic but it is not only logic that makes up life. it doesn't also mean that coz i have hope or faith, i don't have logic or reason. We are human, not robots.

The concepts of optimism concern people’s expectations for the future. If u have goals, u need motivation, u need optimism.

and i don't even think there is such a thing called "a false sense of optimism". Coz optimism is an attitude. what u meant maybe was FALSE HOPE. False hope is based entirely around a fantasy or an extremely unlikely outcome. and i don't see my optimist views towards our Phils as one false hope. I love my country. It is my home. Even if i will be abroad, my heart is where my home is.

So you are saying that it is better not to report petty crimes so as to promote positive attitude among the people? That's totally absurd bro....

no bro, that's not the message meant by it. unsa guy "better not report petty crimes"?

ang pasabot pre is that ky ang HK organized crime lage nila does not necessarily equate w/ street crime, nagpasabot ana posible ma trap ang HK people into feeling a false sense of security. Kay wala may high levels of street crime and no great numbers of organised crime syndicates, the people of HK, as suggested, gatuo (DILI GIPA TUO) nga ilang sociedad, in law and order terms, healthy and clean. Although this may not be the case.

Ni labang diay ka sa amo discussion ni Spingy, basaha nalang to ako respond niya kay kapoy balik ug type. Kinsa may dili ma confused anang mag labang-labang oi....unsaon nato pagka sinabot, wala pa gani ta maghuman, namalit naka ug lain argument.

ako nlng gi mention ang topic ninyo duha ni Springy about "assurance" ky related ra man sa akoang arguments...

This topic is all about the SONA and its related discussions.

What is a President's SONA?
Simply put, it's an annual report made by the President to the people on the state of the nation.

What does a SONA have to do with a person's personal perception in life and his future?
it makes u know what's happening and what's been done. it could be the truth, a half-truth, or a sugar-coated lie. in short, u want to know if it’s worth believing. u want to know if it affects u.

let me leave u with a few notes:

"When confronting a challenge, optimists should be confident and persistent, even if progress is difficult and slow."

"Optimists believe adversity can be handled successfully, pessimists expect disaster. "

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I hate to say this but i smell hypocrisy, why?, are you not going back there coz as you said, it is the last place you would want to be.

Why would it be HYPOCRISY when in fact I find the better life here in the PHILIPPINES financialy ? Mapa bad or good government . I was there because I have to and not that because I wanted to .

Ibaligya jud na ug barato kay dili maayo ug quality ang NFA rice, simple economics ra na bai.

Simpe ra man diay but why the rantin on GANADOR ? Alangan man ug ibaligya pod ang GANADOR ug barato .

You are painting a picture of HK as a chaotic place as pinas, when in fact, petty crimes are only isolated cases unlike here.

I am nt paintig it , believed me . All I did was letting you know that what you said was not accurate . Like I said , just because you didnt hear or read about it doesnt mean it did not happen also . Pero an economy sa HK pareho ba sa Pilipinas thus contribted the factor why CRIME is present and rampant ?

You are defending a mistake with another mistake? Let them all go to hell then if they all called Garci. Mao nay simple and unbiased analogy.

Mao na paga ingnon ikaw na lang pag ABUGADO ug pag SENADOR and do the INQUIRIES and INVESTIGATION snce you knew more than them . I dont .

Taka ra man ka oi.....ako usbon ha.....

If you got successful , all credits goes to you . If you failed , you are responsible for that . Imo man ud gipagawas na tungod sa GOBYERNO naglisod ang kinabuhi sa tags tagsa ka PIlipino .

libog ko....ingon ka tapulan na poor, unya pa iskwelahon diay nang dili ganahan mo iskwela kay tapolan? Ang pa iswelahon syempre ang dili tapolan ug ang determinado sa kinabuhi.

Ug mao na ang mga tao na naay kaugmaon . Kana mg tao naglisod karon specially those sector who contributed to the more HUNGRY MOUTHS . Murag ikaw man ang na out of context .

Basin ma quote out of context napud ko ani, wala ko mo ingon walay libre na education karon ha, ang ako punto is "kulang" dili wala.

Example lang ay .... akong ugangan gikapoy na ug vouch as a public school teacher sa mga silingan na gusto mo balik sa skwela pero once skwela na gani mag hinanggaw . Balik istambay na pod ... pero pilay pusta bayri na ug snacks ug kwarta di ba tibuok adlaw na sa plaza mag rally rally and that is firsthand information again . Naa na gud silay pang duwa ug tong-its .

Mentality bitaw na SHORT TERM GOALS .... and you dont need EDUCATION for that , just plain COMMONSENSE .