Faith ALONE can save us?

[Sinyalan]

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point is... having faith in something doesnt make that something exist.

you dont need faith to believe in air...thats a tag line or rather marketing speech commonly used to convert the confused.hehe.

It's not a marketing speech brod... it's a ploy.

[tokidoki]

To different minds, the same world is a hell, and a heaven. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

[boxingfan529]

point is... having faith in something doesnt make that something exist.

you dont need faith to believe in air...thats a tag line or rather marketing speech commonly used to convert the confused.hehe.

It's not a marketing speech brod... it's a ploy.

i agree with you on that. faith doesn't make something exist.

... but faith can be fully reliable with the evidences it presented. like history, archeology, scriptures and even logic. that's why, it is important to make up one's mind about what evidences are correct and not. for example, is the scrolls found in the dead sea scroll reliable enough about the jewish faith? or joshephus as a reliable historian? among others.

[tokidoki]

umm... i thought faith was based on a personal strong conviction? how come now it has to be reliable as well? confusing here.... that's like saying mo tuo ko ug ginoo but someone has to prove it to me first. :-/

[boxingfan529]

To different minds, the same world is a hell, and a heaven. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson.

do you believe that God has the monopoly of the laws of this world including science? if there is God, would that God be orderly enough to have His OWN laws or policies? imagine a nation with more than one constitution. what will make nation be? it will be a disaster and chaos. the highest level of the orderless society. if God is orderless, i do believe He is no God at all. it means the universe will be in chaos because no one will hold it back as it is.

[lordraven]

mga boss share ko,, gmay,, speaking of faith, sa old testament when God ask Abraham to offer Isaac, bisan pa si abraham in doubt in God at the first place, i gihapon gi sunod,, tungod lng sa faith in the first place voice lang 2.. so there's the doubt that either good or evil lng to pero ky tungod sa leap of faith (Kierkegaard). iya tong gibuhat.. mao na understanding nako sa faith....slamat mga bosing,,,

[lordraven]

umm... i thought faith was based on a personal strong conviction? how come now it has to be reliable as well? confusing here.... that's like saying mo tuo ko ug ginoo but someone has to prove it to me first. :-/

Sir,, understanding sa faith it could be both conviction and reason becuase faithwithout reason is nothing and reason without faith is empty.. ingon pman sa akong gi pangu tana nga,,anfg duha mag uban jud mao nga ang theologoy naa sab philosophy maoy pinaka mo provide ug guide sa faith...usa ka example gi hatag sa akong amigo nga sample.. ky sa deserto daw usa ka tao ang nakakita ug relo,, pasabot nga naa jud nag butang anang butanga diha.. bisag unsa nga klase sa pagkatao bsta naa jud nag butang sa relo...mao gihapon na sa God... to further satisfy p jud pls. read St. Thomas Aquinas law of reaction (5 ways)...slamat

[munzter666]

point is... having faith in something doesnt make that something exist.

you dont need faith to believe in air...thats a tag line or rather marketing speech commonly used to convert the confused.hehe.

It's not a marketing speech brod... it's a ploy.

yeps, for the cunning men.hehe

[munzter666]

i agree with you on that. faith doesn't make something exist.

... but faith can be fully reliable with the evidences it presented. like history, archeology, scriptures and even logic. that's why, it is important to make up one's mind about what evidences are correct and not. for example, is the scrolls found in the dead sea scroll reliable enough about the jewish faith? or joshephus as a reliable historian? among others.

faith nga eh....in the absence of evidence you take it by faith.

dont wind up with the "its true coz the bible sez so" approach....twirling down circular reasoning.haha

[munzter666]

Sir,, understanding sa faith it could be both conviction and reason becuase faithwithout reason is nothing and reason without faith is empty.. ingon pman sa akong gi pangu tana nga,,anfg duha mag uban jud mao nga ang theologoy naa sab philosophy maoy pinaka mo provide ug guide sa faith...usa ka example gi hatag sa akong amigo nga sample.. ky sa deserto daw usa ka tao ang nakakita ug relo,, pasabot nga naa jud nag butang anang butanga diha.. bisag unsa nga klase sa pagkatao bsta naa jud nag butang sa relo...mao gihapon na sa God... to further satisfy p jud pls. read St. Thomas Aquinas law of reaction (5 ways)...slamat

unsay brand sa relo??

jowk

tawo ga lakaw sa dalan....naka kita ug 500 petot bill ga latag sa dalan...hmmmmm

a) 500 petot nahulog sa wallet
b) naay ga labay sa 500 petot
c) naa dyud mysterious being nag latag sa 500 petot

uhhhh, yah....if you choose C, now that takes a lot of FAITH.