Second Look on Islam

[Malic]

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What i posted is just the plain truth... if you disagree then prove me that my statement is all made up...

And may i ask you what is the punishment for APOSTASY?

Some muslims reject the death penalty for apostasy out of a desire to “improve” the image of Islam among non-Muslims.

LOLZ mura jud ka ug korek sir.

ako e prove nga imong statement is "all made up",in the first place sir,you know nothing about islam. Yeah read it in the internet,hear some from other malicious tongue then here you are acting as if youre an expert,LOLZ, wake up poser.

[Malic]

i have no problem if you say that the quran is the original. but it doesn't mean it is true altogether. if the persian religion around 2000bc ago is the true belief but their manuscripts are already unaccessible because it was already lost in time, would it make it false? that's my point. even the torah of the Old testament it is also available now because it was preserved through the dead sea scrolls, would it be automatically correct? just as the same. dili gihapon. it still need to go through scrutiny and many others.

you said 'inyong scholars'. does that mean their work will not be under the microscope of other scholars who thinks their work are not correct? then just the same, all quranic alone believers says that hadiths are not true so it should be very true to all muslim world kay naa man nag ingon nga dili tinuod.

if you say tanang bible scholars gaingon nga dili original translation ang bible versions nga ginagamit karong panahona then that is true. way maglalis ana kay it has been translated once or twice already. if you say original copy of the manuscript from the original greek version (ang wala lang ang original manuscript written by the apostles and authors of the new testament which is true also to the quran) then we have them readily available nowadays.

Well you said it yourself that we have the original copy. w/c one should the judge believe? if you have a sane mind w/c one you would believe? A book where the original no longer exist or a book proven to be copied from an original manuscript? ako sir ari ko too sa naa ang original.


Well proving if its true or not is another thing sir but sadly wala man nay labot sa atong first topic di ba?


pataka naman ka ug dala sa topic sir oi bisan asa naman ka abot. ang topic is original nga manuscript.

stick sa gud sir, dili aNG TRANSLATION ang subject kun di ang original manuscript, ang autograph ba.

well ok na, ni angkon naka nga wala jud ang original. kay kung di ka mu angkon hala lalisa tong mga scholars ninyo. Basin kasab-an ka ni John Pipes ana sir, nya bunalan ka ni Josh Mcdowell. kay pataka lang ka ug sulti diha.

w/c is also true sa koran? sir ikaw ba gamay ra ka ug nahibaw.an sa islam faith ma klaro man nako,so ako advice nimo unya sa ug enter basa sa. nya balik diri, kay sa panahon nga daghhan naka mahibaw-an ako kang hagiton ug LIVE debate adto ta sa Plaza Independencia.


So natubag na pod nako ang first jud nimo nga mga inquiries kung unsa nga part sa Torah among gi tohoan isip muslim.

[the_wandering_slasher]

LOLZ mura jud ka ug korek sir.

ako e prove nga imong statement is "all made up",in the first place sir,you know nothing about islam. Yeah read it in the internet,hear some from other malicious tongue then here you are acting as if youre an expert,LOLZ, wake up poser.

LOLZ sad hehe. Am i not? I know nothing about islam? All i know is that ur religion is a Religion of PEACE and yet you kill people in the name of ALLAH and for 72 virgins.. hehe... and a few things only... That's why i am asking you to prove me that i am wrong.. Is not the reason why your posting this thread is to give us understanding about islam or enlighten us?

And also kindly answer my last question sir? Dont avoid it this time.. and Laugh ur @ss out.... hehe
btw im not a poser or trying to be an expert on ISLAM or any other religion , im an ATHEIST.... an INFIDEL ....

[the_wandering_slasher]

if what they fought is legitimate yes they will go to heaven. But again only God knows the heart.

Killing is legit if GOD permits it.. hahahaha...
Now is not this a sign of immaturity or worse a sign of psychological disorder?
GOD damn it, ooopps sorry i mean ALLAH damn it...

[bcasabee]

Hi Malic,

When Muslims pray, why do they face the Kaaba in their mosque? Do you consider this worship or just giving reverence to the Kaaba? In practice, is this not a form of worship to the Kaaba?

Thanks.

[Existanz]

ISLAM is a peaceful religion but if you despise their prophet MOHAMED the muslims will surely put you to death especially if you are non-muslim happened to be in a muslim dominated place.... hehe. what an irony huh... religion sucks.... SuckAllah indeed...

Hinay-hinay lang bro, baka ma-isyuhan ka ug fatwa. Remember nga sa islam mas glorified baya kung makapatay ka ug non-muslim, labi na jud sama sa imu nga infidel. Ari na lang ka sa mga fundamentalist christian mag bugalbugal kay taman lang intawon sa Bible verse kung mubalos.

Asa naka kaya to'ng mga Bible experts diri istorya.net? Hilum man kaayo sila..hadluk ma-killed no hehehe..

[boxingfan529]

Well you said it yourself that we have the original copy. w/c one should the judge believe? if you have a sane mind w/c one you would believe? A book where the original no longer exist or a book proven to be copied from an original manuscript? ako sir ari ko too sa naa ang original.


Well proving if its true or not is another thing sir but sadly wala man nay labot sa atong first topic di ba?


pataka naman ka ug dala sa topic sir oi bisan asa naman ka abot. ang topic is original nga manuscript.

stick sa gud sir, dili aNG TRANSLATION ang subject kun di ang original manuscript, ang autograph ba.

well ok na, ni angkon naka nga wala jud ang original. kay kung di ka mu angkon hala lalisa tong mga scholars ninyo. Basin kasab-an ka ni John Pipes ana sir, nya bunalan ka ni Josh Mcdowell. kay pataka lang ka ug sulti diha.

w/c is also true sa koran? sir ikaw ba gamay ra ka ug nahibaw.an sa islam faith ma klaro man nako,so ako advice nimo unya sa ug enter basa sa. nya balik diri, kay sa panahon nga daghhan naka mahibaw-an ako kang hagiton ug LIVE debate adto ta sa Plaza Independencia.


So natubag na pod nako ang first jud nimo nga mga inquiries kung unsa nga part sa Torah among gi tohoan isip muslim.

you seems to be very defensive in our discussion. anyway, i have encountered much worst.

i was just inquiring more as a whole but you want it to be more argumentative. anyway, you are still evading my questions about Quran alone believers. remember, i was only trying to ask your views on the questions i made.

using the words 'pataka' or 'kuwang nabaw an' is kind of unwarranted. it just shows the attitude you have to people who ask questions to your faith. much more kung magcritize pa jud.

you haven't answered my questions the direct errancy and correct teachings of the torah and even the New Testament kay mau man imong ingon nga dili mau ang teaching, dba?

as i have said, bible scholars are not primarily believers of the book. scholars who believes the book outnumbers those who do not though those scholars are theologians themselves.

anyway, let's focus on my questions na lng.

kani:

- what part of the torah and gospel is corrrect? since you say naa jud tinuod.
- how about the book of psalms? from your own opinion, is the book today uncorrupted like most muslim believe it or not? either answer, what's the answer/evidence behind it? if it's corrupted, why other muslims say it is not?
- what is the drawback for quranic believer who dont believe in the hadith? will they go to hell for that?

thanks.

[the_wandering_slasher]

Hinay-hinay lang bro, baka ma-isyuhan ka ug fatwa. Remember nga sa islam mas glorified baya kung makapatay ka ug non-muslim, labi na jud sama sa imu nga infidel. Ari na lang ka sa mga fundamentalist christian mag bugalbugal kay taman lang intawon sa Bible verse kung mubalos.

Asa naka kaya to'ng mga Bible experts diri istorya.net? Hilum man kaayo sila..hadluk ma-killed no hehehe..

Salamat sa paalala kaibigan... Mao nay nakapait these guys can ridicule other faith and get away with it.. like nothin happens. but non-muslims are sentenced to death if they mock their prophet mohammed.
A threat to our democracy indeed.

[Malic]

LOLZ sad hehe. Am i not? I know nothing about islam? All i know is that ur religion is a Religion of PEACE and yet you kill people in the name of ALLAH and for 72 virgins.. hehe... and a few things only... That's why i am asking you to prove me that i am wrong.. Is not the reason why your posting this thread is to give us understanding about islam or enlighten us?

And also kindly answer my last question sir? Dont avoid it this time.. and Laugh ur @ss out.... hehe
btw im not a poser or trying to be an expert on ISLAM or any other religion , im an ATHEIST.... an INFIDEL ....

Indeed a very immature and short sigthed calculation. why should i prove you wrong? when in the first place you are already deep in the quicksand of disbelief as you said you are an atheist. Atheist dont believe in anything. what else can i expect from you? sympathy? LOLZ.

My poser wannabee friend know islam first from the real scholars and not from some extremist group or from any barber shop conversation.


basing from your post, your understanding of islam is sooooo childish and so Hollywood.


I heard this rant before,so many times already.

this thread is not for experiments,if you think you are not a poser and you have what it takes then i will challenge you to a live debate.

pls response i will give you 3 days to think about it. prove yourself in the real court where boys are seperated from the real men.


I challenge you to a live debate, ayaw kurog ha and dont give excuses. Forum debates are for lamers.

[Malic]

Hi Malic,

When Muslims pray, why do they face the Kaaba in their mosque? Do you consider this worship or just giving reverence to the Kaaba? In practice, is this not a form of worship to the Kaaba?

Thanks.

Sir we believe that the kabbah is a very special place. Thats where God revealed Himself to abraham and to jacob. Remember bethel sir?

The jews also prays in walls and samaritans direct their prayers to a certain mountain. Not reverence if you mean reverence like the way catholics define reverence when they pray to thier idols.

This is not a form of worship because we dont pray to the kabbah,we dont ask the kabbah to intercede for us. We face in the kabbah becuase we acknowledge that its a very speical place.