Second Look on Islam

[Malic]

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how can you determine what is original and the opposite aside from what the Quran or Hadith says? what part of the torah (commands and teachings) right now is the original? if you believe the gospel of Jesus, do you believe when He said, I am the truth, the way and the life and no one comes to the Father but but me? if not, what part of the current Gospel teaching is original?

so you dont believe in the dead sea scrolls? also, early new testament manuscripts/scrolls as early as the 66AD written Papyrus?

my question about the quran alone belief is, if it's acceptable to you if they dont believe the hadiths and all traditions? they claim that those hadiths are contradictory to the quran.

about the quran, do you believe it doesn't contradict from itself?

if you believe that your faith is from God, any personal questions is acceptable. dili man na very personal in any sense.

thanks.

kapoya ning toyuk toyuk nimo oi.

inyong skolar mismo ang ga ingun nga dili na original inyong bible, bosa kana imong pangutana nga "how can you determine what is original and the opposite aside from what the Quran or Hadith says? what part of the torah (commands and teachings) right now is the original?" Inyong skolar pangutana ana sir kay sila man mismo ang nag ingun nga dili na original manuscript inyong bible karun,its not even a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy...so adto nila pagnutana sir. o di kaha pagtoon.


I am the way the truth and the life? from The book of john? sorry but ang authorship sa book of john is questionable. Some christian scholars would even consider it as not part of the synoptic gospel. But even if its true that Jesus said that. It only means that He is the way to the father just like any prophet,they were the way to God, nothing special with Jesus. sorry.


Asking me if iam a convert or born muslim is to me a personal question and indeed it is.

[boxingfan529]

kapoya ning toyuk toyuk nimo oi.

inyong skolar mismo ang ga ingun nga dili na original inyong bible, bosa kana imong pangutana nga "how can you determine what is original and the opposite aside from what the Quran or Hadith says? what part of the torah (commands and teachings) right now is the original?" Inyong skolar pangutana ana sir kay sila man mismo ang nag ingun nga dili na original manuscript inyong bible karun,its not even a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy...so adto nila pagnutana sir. o di kaha pagtoon.


I am the way the truth and the life? from The book of john? sorry but ang authorship sa book of john is questionable. Some christian scholars would even consider it as not part of the synoptic gospel. But even if its true that Jesus said that. It only means that He is the way to the father just like any prophet,they were the way to God, nothing special with Jesus. sorry.


Asking me if iam a convert or born muslim is to me a personal question and indeed it is.

if you mean of the copy of the copy from the original, as i have said, there is that manuscripts as early as 66ad. bible critics and not bible scholars says about the differences. that's why it is very safe to read and compare all translations and versions even with the original greek translations.

the torah is a very important part of the books of moses. what if the torah is genuine and it shows that it contradicts to quranic principles? unless you are open-minded, you will try to study it yourself, dba?

if you cant answer my simple questions then you have closed yourself from reasoning and evidences from other beliefs and even to your own. being open-minded is a challenge to try and scrutinize other's belief and even your own. in the end, if you are convince your faith is true then it is a great relief for you dba?

[Malic]

if you mean of the copy of the copy from the original, as i have said, there is that manuscripts as early as 66ad. bible critics and not bible scholars says about the differences. that's why it is very safe to read and compare all translations and versions even with the original greek translations.

the torah is a very important part of the books of moses. what if the torah is genuine and it shows that it contradicts to quranic principles? unless you are open-minded, you will try to study it yourself, dba?

if you cant answer my simple questions then you have closed yourself from reasoning and evidences from other beliefs and even to your own. being open-minded is a challenge to try and scrutinize other's belief and even your own. in the end, if you are convince your faith is true then it is a great relief for you dba?

ang manuscript from 66 ad is a copy of the original? hahaha,dili man gani na completo. gi unsa man nimo pagsulti nga copy na sa original nga wa man kay basis kung unsa ang original,kita na ka sa original? kita na na sila sa orignal? para maka ingun sila nga copy na sa original.


sir ayaw na lang lagi sulti nga "WHAT IF THE TORAH IS GENUINE" kay inyong skolar mismo ga ingun nga dili na genuine. unsa man ka mosupak man ka sa inyong skolar.

[boxingfan529]

ang manuscript from 66 ad is a copy of the original? hahaha,dili man gani na completo. gi unsa man nimo pagsulti nga copy na sa original nga wa man kay basis kung unsa ang original,kita na ka sa original? kita na na sila sa orignal? para maka ingun sila nga copy na sa original.


sir ayaw na lang lagi sulti nga "WHAT IF THE TORAH IS GENUINE" kay inyong skolar mismo ga ingun nga dili na genuine. unsa man ka mosupak man ka sa inyong skolar.

it just mean that as early as 66ad, the copy of today's copy is still genuine because you can compare it from early manuscripts. the absence of the very original doesn't necessarily mean na it is not authentic. put it this way, if the quran was interchange in terms of age with the new testament and since the original are already not available, we can conclude directly that the quran is not the original? of course not, it can still be the original.

i see that you are not broad enough to discuss intelligently about faith. you cant even determine bible scholars from bible critics and vice versa. bible scholar can be non-christians but bible critics are fully the latter. you cant say that because some bible scholar or critics tells against something that they are correct already. how about the majority scholars that says otherwise? can they be reliable too?

anyway, i am just here to challenge everybody's personal view about their own belief and other beliefs too. i am here also to learn so i ask questions.

God bless!

[Malic]

it just mean that as early as 66ad, the copy of today's copy is still genuine because you can compare it from early manuscripts. the absence of the very original doesn't necessarily mean na it is not authentic. put it this way, if the quran was interchange in terms of age with the new testament and since the original are already not available, we can conclude directly that the quran is not the original? of course not, it can still be the original.

i see that you are not broad enough to discuss intelligently about faith. you cant even determine bible scholars from bible critics and vice versa. bible scholar can be non-christians but bible critics are fully the latter. you cant say that because some bible scholar or critics tells against something that they are correct already. how about the majority scholars that says otherwise? can they be reliable too?

anyway, i am just here to challenge everybody's personal view about their own belief and other beliefs too. i am here also to learn so i ask questions.

God bless!

Sir naghisgut man ka ug unsa akong tohoan,remember? So i said that i believe in the original manuscript dili ng naa ninyo karun.

your copy is the copy of the copy of the 66ad MS but your 66ad MS is not complete and contains texts w/c is different from modern translations. And your 66ad is not even the original MS therefore it is not inspired.


The absence of an original does not neccessarily mean that its not authentic? really? when you are in court the judge will always look for the original copy if not a CTC w/c is copied from an existing original is being ask.

Original copy is very important if you want to established an absolute truth my friend.

Btw there are original copy of the qur'an.



I said Bible scholars. hahay. Pagtoon oi. INYONG BIBLE SCHOLARS ga ingun nga dili na original. BIBLE SCHOLARS. ka assuming pod nimo oi,wa ko kasabot sa differencve sa bible scholars from bible critics,hahaha. ni nigun na gani ko bible scholars pasabot ana sir dili bible critics.


Sir get this...TANANG BIBLE SCHOLARS ga ingun nga dili na original copy ang inyong bible. Wa jud ko ka dungog nga naay bible scholar nga nag ingun nga original copy ng naa ninyo karun.

[boxingfan529]

Sir naghisgut man ka ug unsa akong tohoan,remember? So i said that i believe in the original manuscript dili ng naa ninyo karun.

your copy is the copy of the copy of the 66ad MS but your 66ad MS is not complete and contains texts w/c is different from modern translations. And your 66ad is not even the original MS therefore it is not inspired.


The absence of an original does not neccessarily mean that its not authentic? really? when you are in court the judge will always look for the original copy if not a CTC w/c is copied from an existing original is being ask.

Original copy is very important if you want to established an absolute truth my friend.

Btw there are original copy of the qur'an.



I said Bible scholars. hahay. Pagtoon oi. INYONG BIBLE SCHOLARS ga ingun nga dili na original. BIBLE SCHOLARS. ka assuming pod nimo oi,wa ko kasabot sa differencve sa bible scholars from bible critics,hahaha. ni nigun na gani ko bible scholars pasabot ana sir dili bible critics.


Sir get this...TANANG BIBLE SCHOLARS ga ingun nga dili na original copy ang inyong bible. Wa jud ko ka dungog nga naay bible scholar nga nag ingun nga original copy ng naa ninyo karun.

i have no problem if you say that the quran is the original. but it doesn't mean it is true altogether. if the persian religion around 2000bc ago is the true belief but their manuscripts are already unaccessible because it was already lost in time, would it make it false? that's my point. even the torah of the Old testament it is also available now because it was preserved through the dead sea scrolls, would it be automatically correct? just as the same. dili gihapon. it still need to go through scrutiny and many others.

you said 'inyong scholars'. does that mean their work will not be under the microscope of other scholars who thinks their work are not correct? then just the same, all quranic alone believers says that hadiths are not true so it should be very true to all muslim world kay naa man nag ingon nga dili tinuod.

if you say tanang bible scholars gaingon nga dili original translation ang bible versions nga ginagamit karong panahona then that is true. way maglalis ana kay it has been translated once or twice already. if you say original copy of the manuscript from the original greek version (ang wala lang ang original manuscript written by the apostles and authors of the new testament which is true also to the quran) then we have them readily available nowadays.

[necrotic freak]

@malic
bro would you believe that those suicide bombers were in heaven right now with Allah? as they claimed before they blow theirselves.

[the_wandering_slasher]

what an immature irresponsible statement!

What i posted is just the plain truth... if you disagree then prove me that my statement is all made up...

And may i ask you what is the punishment for APOSTASY?

Some muslims reject the death penalty for apostasy out of a desire to “improve” the image of Islam among non-Muslims.

[the_wandering_slasher]

@malic
bro would you believe that those suicide bombers were in heaven right now with Allah? as they claimed before they blow theirselves.

If these idiots are really in heaven, they must have already got their share of 72 virgins..
But the sad thing is these virgins are all male virgins hahaha.... They have been screwed....

[Malic]

@malic
bro would you believe that those suicide bombers were in heaven right now with Allah? as they claimed before they blow theirselves.

if what they fought is legitimate yes they will go to heaven. But again only God knows the heart.