Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[jerky10]

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What you DO have is unequal distribution and unfair economic policies.

Co-sign. This bill has its pros and cons. Maybe it can promote awareness to some in terms of practical family size. But I think the biggest problem will be the budget. Say, if the gov't provides condoms, pills, and other artificial contraceptives to the people. That'll sure be a big budget and when you speak of making it a common practice to Filipino people. Imagine how much bigger will it get after 5-10 years. The budget will just get bigger and bigger as time goes on.

IMHO, I think it'll be better if the gov't just use the budget for this bill in providing jobs to the unemployed.

[t3ChNo™]

Co-sign. This bill has its pros and cons. Maybe it can promote awareness to some in terms of practical family size. But I think the biggest problem will be the budget. Say, if the gov't provides condoms, pills, and other artificial contraceptives to the people. That'll sure be a big budget and when you speak of making it a common practice to Filipino people. Imagine how much bigger will it get after 5-10 years. The budget will just get bigger and bigger as time goes on.

IMHO, I think it'll be better if the gov't just use the budget for this bill in providing jobs to the unemployed.

hmmm.... good point. speaking of budget, the more budget allocated by the government, the more kickbacks for those corrupt officials

[diatabz]

@Mannyamador

Well, why not. If the Church and the government somehow got Filipinos to abstain, then props to them. Though I'm doubtful of it, it's a start. Anything that gets things moving is better than nothing.

hmmm.... good point. speaking of budget, the more budget allocated by the government, the more kickbacks for those corrupt officials

True that. That's why I'm not really up for widescale contraceptive distribution right now. I don't Tytrust our government enough. Education is better.

[johnny22aa]

From bcsabee: 11 aug 08


Sustagen, mao bitawng mo samot na ug ka dako ang budget ana kay condom ra man gani to nga budget atoang gihisgutan, wala pay labot ang uban.

Mao jud nay padulngan brad. Pagbuhat nalang ug placard daan.
Thanks sa imong tax brad. I can assure you brad nga ang tax nga imong na bayad brad wala ma-sayang brad kay karon brad, ang akoang monthly tax nga gibayad maka pa sweldo na ug tulo ka minimum wage earner nga tawo. Sorry, I don't mean to brag about it. So ayaw kabalaka ana brad kay na suklian na nako imong kaayo. Sustagen, unsaon nalang kaha kung condom imong gipalit adto imong tax no? Simbako, wala unta ko matawo aning kalibutana brader. So mao na akoang stand brad, kana akoang tax, dili ko ganahan i palit na ug condom brad. AW kana kung dili mo motoo ug GABA brad. Sige brad, sugdi na ninyo ug apod apod ug condom adto sa mga pobre. Tan-awon ta ug maka sustain ba inyong ambisyoso nga proyekto.

To make it clear to you brad. Wala ko mo ingon nga sayop ang population control brad. Pero kung ang argument nimo kay mag population control tungod kay naay overpopulation, is sayop nga argumento. Kay ang overpopulation palang daan nga issue is debatehonon kaayo, nakasabot ka brad? Mura ka ug ga-kalibanga with fever symptoms brad nga ang imong gi-tomar nga tambal kay biogesic, layo ra kaayo ang solution. Kay ang issue gyud brad is not overpopulation, but "poverty and corruption".
Kasabot kaha mo ana brad? Inyo man gud gi relate ang number of population to poverty which is sayop nang daan.
Ang Tokyo diay sa Japan, naa ba silay issue on overpopulation nga kadako anang ilang population? Wala jud kay wala man silay corruption didto nga pareha sa level sa Pilipinas, nakasabot mo?
Ang inyo man gud nga argumento nga ang Pilipinas mag lisud na ug support sa population. Which is "TRUE" but not because of "OVER POPULATION" but due to "CORRUPTION", kasabot ka brad?
Pero, sige lang brad, inig pass na ani nga bill, anha ra jud makita nato ang katag. Does the death penalty law, ring a bell?



from me to bcasabee:


yeah brader, mudako jud intawn ang budget ana ky it would entail cost gud. pili lagi. asa mas dako ug gasto, condom or magbuhig bata? as in w/ quality jud. simple ayo oi. again brader, ang akong buhis intawn nko gipaskuyla nimo.

wow, brader, its good u have d guts to have the entrepreneurial spirit. and its good for the country as well. likewise for the taxes i paid that you benefit during your high school. pirteng bawia. but again, u initiated to talk w/c way would be a good investment for the gov't to spend, condom or magbuhig bata? ako, kung negosyante jud ko, i would go for the option nga mopabor jud sa akong negosyo, nga less hassle, has good outcome and has the lower cost. so i chose to spend condoms as an investment rather to let people have many children nga it takes years to get the outcome and has a hundred times costly. again brader ha, im not comparing condom to a kid. i only explained ky pamahalay lagi imong toyo. again dodong, ang buhis nko.

and sorry brader ha, i cant discuss about gaba. this is not a religious matter. and i am not religious. wat we want here to discuss is wats good for our country, not the church. and if u insist to talk about retribution, hala cge sakyan tkaw. tan awa kuno unsay mas dako ug gaba kung makakita kag tens of millions of filipinos living on sub human level for the reason of nga wa jud na educate ug tarong ang mga tao tungod gi w/hold ang ilang opportunity to learn on safe reproductive health & birth control by blocking this bill. look at again brader sa squatter colonies in major urban areas. it is happening everywhere brader. not only sa pilipinas but the rest of the 3rd world community. and imagine ur quality of life is like that. maybe u cant picture it ky businesspeople man diay ka. but knowing this nga sa imo intawng mga trabahante nga for the reason that their minimum wage doesn't really support a family of 4. how much pa kaha kung 6 or 8 intawn ilang gipangbuhi? brader ha, this is happening to tens and millions of us. hai naku, ang buhis jud nko.

nya brader kana imong tinohoan nga dli mo motoo ug overpopulation, wa jud intawn ko kasabot ninyo ni manny amador oi. ambot lng jud unsa juy naa sa utok ninyo. yes brader, there is corruption and gov't inefficiency. its true nga dli jud makaabot ang tanan resources sa tanan tao tungod aning magic2x sa gobyerno (of course, dli tanan). but don't u know that one factor pud sa ilang inefficiency ky daghan jud kaayog clag silbihan, as in na over jud. so this inefficiency affects the whole bureacracy, so that's why they are now involved into other unexpected things from them like poor work performance & corruption. il give u an example brader. think of a mother of 3. tungod ky gamay ra iyang buhion nga anak. so naa pa nay cyay time mo huna2x sa iyang kaugalingon. naa pa cyay time mo think of her lifestyle, the things she really wants. she can create better decisions ky mka evaluate man cya sa iyang kaugalingon ug tarong. also w/ her weaknesses as well. she might think of the things that she needs to improve on herself and disregard the things nga mkadaot nya. u think naa pa ni time mka huna2x ug ing ana ka lawm kung this mother has 8 to 10 kids that needs her care and attention? so a mother of 3 definitely has a better performance compared to a mother of 8 to 10. same thing w/ an institution called government. u think kung daghan kaayo clag silbihan (kta mga citizens), mkahuna2x pa ba kaha clag ing ana ka lawm? Of course, dli jud ing ana ang atong gov’t karon ky daghan lagi kaayo ta. so kasabot nka dodong how overpopulation really affects us.

the issue of poverty and corruption are another things to focus on. i posted before nga passing this bill would not solve poverty intawn oi. again, this is not an anti-poverty bill nor an anti-corruption one. this is not an economic issue nor this is an issue for the PAGC or ombudsman. we are talking about safe reproductive health here, about educating filipinos, especially the minors on their attitude towards ***. passing this bill would not solve poverty oi. so much for corruption. ambot lng jud ninyong duha you keep on saying over & over again about poverty, corruption etc. we all know that solving overpopulation alone doesn't totally eliminate poverty. paulit-ulit na pud ko. overpopulation is only one factor lagi. and so are corruption so on, so forth. those are only a tiny part of the factors of poverty. unless we could solve overpopuolation. let's say in the next generation, our gov't resources can now be allocated so well to every citizen ky natarong naman ug bahin ang tanan. so, gov't would focus more on other issues like corruption and economic mismanagement, in that sense, our gov't machinery can run smoother w/ the overpopulation issue being solved, therefore poverty would somehow be minimized. Less issues, more important things to focus, in the end, a better government.

nya speaking about japan having a problem on low birth rate. that's correct. its true. and so are singapore, canada and other 1st world countries. it happened to them ky effective kaayo ilang population control program. laliman ba kag muhatag na gud cla ug huge tax breaks and incentives for couples hu can bear their 2nd child and so on. it's very clear that japan already has fewer young people right now. for example, the tokyo disneyland, where most of their guest are japanese themselves, they experience huge declines in their visitors ky gamay na lagig batan on cla. and they now encourage their citizens to give birth. it is just their countermeasure on how to deal w/ low birth rate. this does not mean nga mopabor cla ug high birth rate like here, mopabor cla ug overpopulation, mopabor cla ug bearing children more than they could afford. ambot lng jud average citizens of 1st world countries would ever think having lots of babies as a wise decision.

im not sure brader ha if tokyo got the highest population density in the world, coz what i know it was a 3rd world city man toh. but if tokyo jud gali, it could only be a small part of japan, ky in overall, japan really needs higher population right now.

kinsay sustagen ba oi? mao nang imong gitotoy? pag chor dodong ha!




from bcasabee: 12 aug 08


Wala ba diay tay health centers nga makatudlo ug family planning? Tapolan lang jud siguro ang mga tawo mo dangop sa mga health centers kay gusto pa jud rovingon. Unsa man say sulod anang *** education ba? Instinct naman na sa tawo ang *** bro. Instinct na sad na sa tawo nga kabalo nga kung mamburikat sila, lagmit masakit jud sila. Unsa pamay i-educate nimo ana? Family planning siguro imo pasabot bro, dili *** education kay sa family planning ma cover naman diha matters about ***. Pero, it shouldn't be separate subject nga imong itudlo ngadto sa highschool. Unsa man say itudlo nimo sa mga batan-on kuno? Unsaon pagtaud ug condom, unsa nga pills angay imnun? Remind them nga kung mandisco sila, dapat tomar daan ug pills or pagdala ug condom? Mao ba ni *** education?

Wala na siyay effect bro kay wala juy effect, as simple as that. Kanang basin is just an alibi. Kay kung mahutdan naka ug budget para condom, aws, balik na sad walay condomay. Kung 1 million ka couples ang magsex everyday nga i subsidize, pila ka million imong usikan para lang ana. In a month, thats 30 million *** multiply by price of one condom. Assuming tag 10 pesos ang condom. Then 300 million a month ang gastoon? Daghana na mapa eskwela nga bata ana uy. Dili man siguro ka kinahanglan bright boy ka para makasabot ana. Mao nay answer ana bro, ang UNFPA wala ka sustiner kay "MAHAL" dili kay walay ningkagat. Pero ok ko anang family planning, pero kung mogamit man gani lang ug contraceptives, please lang, ayaw tawn ipagamit ang kwarta sa mga tawo kay usik usik lang na. Its their call kung asa sila mo palit sa ilang condom. Bro, daghan ko ug kaila nga middle class nga gamay ra ug anak, tungod kana kay bz sila sa ilang trabaho. In other words, naa ra na sa utok sa tawo. Kung walay lingaw imong utok bro, lagmit mosulod ang porma sa lawas sa sexy nga babae bro. Busyha lang imong utok bro para walay mosulod nga tentasyon. Simple ra kaayo na. Wala pay gasto. Ang mga pobre bro, natural, unsa may ilang gikabusyhan? Wala, di ba? So instead of the government wasting 300 million pesos a month for condoms, use it for livelihood projects para ma bz ang mga tawo. So kung busy na ang mga tawo, kapoy ang lawas inig uli sa balay, less ***, less children. Sakto?



from me to bcsabee:


naa tay health centers brad oi nga motudlo ug family planning. but what this bill wants is to expand, not only sa health centers, but also be brought in schools. also *** education is not only about *** oi. it is about developing their attitudes and their thoughts on how to deal w/ their sexual and reproductive capabilities. w/ their promiscuous and explorative ideas, letting them aware by educating and making them comfortable on this sensitive topic would really help on their well-being, their self-esteem, therefore, unsay resulta, a better citizen and mas productive.

nya speaking about less ***, ambot lng jud nimo oi. as i said, *** is an instinct. it is a basic human urge. just like hunger, thirst, air to breathe. and so is ***. check about maslows heirarchy of needs. they already upgraded *** as a basic physiologic need just like hunger etc. ky it is human to have ***. normal ra jud na. that's why there should be a proper and formal education on this. dba naa tay nutrition and health advises gkan sa atong gov't sa media (tv, radio, posters eg. oplan alis disease) and physical education pud sa skul, and so w/ ***. naa juy proper education about *** education and family planning. da oi, ka pirting practical and common sense ani, ga gubot2x pa jud ka sa imong utok dodong. hahahay. buhis! buhis! buhis!




from techno: 15 aug, 08


hmmm.... good point. speaking of budget, the more budget allocated by the government, the more kickbacks for those corrupt officials



from me to techno:


again brader, this is not an anti-corruption bill, or a budget allocation efficiency act. this bill is to promote safe reproductive health bro. hahay, tan awa nang epekto saka2ng gpanghisgot2x ni bcsabee nga tomar2x. kinsa ray di kamao mo tomar ug insaktong tambal dha! again, akong buhis. is this the kind of ideas where my taxes go? hahahay.




from me to mannyamador:


study cebuano first dodong ha before you alig2x ug yaw2x dri nga puro copy paste ra na. again, as if its relevant to what is happening us right now.




from me to all:


sagdi na lng na ninyo c mannyamador nga magpatuyang. dyos ko po, dyos ko po. patawarin mo cya. d nya kc alam ang ginagawa nya.

[ieuseerm]

OT: taga diin man diay na's manny nga di man sya makahibaw mocebuano, maski binisayang binol-anon, binisayang siquijognon, binisayang leyte, binisayang cagay-anon, etc, man lang, di jud na sya kasabot? diba taudtaud na man na syang tigpostpost ngari sa istorya, pilang tuig na, pero di gyapon sya kasabot ug cebuano? lupig pa diay sya sa mga mormons nga langyaw ntawn gikan sa lahi-lahing dapit sa kalibutan, nya maningkamut man tawn sila ug kat-on sa sinulti-an sa lugar nga ilang adtuan aron tawn magkasinabot sila's mga lumad ug makalituk pud sila's ilang kinahanglanong isulti.

[mannyamador]

again brader, this is not an anti-corruption bill, or a budget allocation efficiency act. this bill is to promote safe reproductive health bro.

That may be one of the stated purposes of the Bill, but I believe its provisions do NOT fulfill this intent. This is aside form the fact that it diverts resources from attacking the real problem.

study cebuano first dodong ha before you alig2x ug yaw2x dri nga puro copy paste ra na. again, as if its relevant to what is happening us right now.

Maybe it's worth examining how one determines relevance.

[cebu-future]

can someone post the entire bill here? I mean unsa jud sulod anang Bill aron dili magsige yawyaw dire mga PRO life kuno hehe.

[wng]

Naay link sa bill sa Page 1 ani nga thread. PDF format. Taas kaayo, di ma cut & paste!

[wng]

Gi tabulate nako ang population density nga mga sa places nga na mention diri. People per sq. km. ni. Awa ni:

Tondo, Manila  	                        69,297 *world's most densely populated city district
Kwun Tong district, Hong Kong           52,123 	
Manhattan, New York City (daytime)      48,302 	
Manila                                  43,079 *world's most densely populated city
Yau Tsim Mong district, Hong Kong 	40,136 *includes Yau Ma Tei, Tsim Sha Tsui and Mong Kok
Manhattan, New York City                27,257 	
Mumbai, India                           21,880 	
Metro Manila                            18,166
Shinjuku, Tokyo                         17,140 	*some wards in Tokyo are more densely populated but still less than 20k/sq km
New York City                           10,482 	
Hong Kong                                6,352 	
Tokyo                                    5,796 	
Greater Tokyo Area                       2,388 	
Bangladesh                               1,045 	
Japan                                      337 	
Philippines                                295 	
United States                               31

Nakuyawan ko oi. Masdaghan pa ta ug na sulod diri:


kaysa sa diri (during daytime pa gyud nga naay gatrabaho):

[COMCAM]

Naay link sa bill sa Page 1 ani nga thread. PDF format. Taas kaayo, di ma cut & paste!

e post nalang ang link