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    Quote Originally Posted by dondoy_sa_barrio View Post
    As if there is separation between church (ah, ok, mosque) and state in Islam. In reality, Islam commands that it's sharia be written into laws by the state.

    Therefore, those Islamic countries that prohibit other religions than Islam, are only obeying Islam's commandments of religious intolerance.

    Muslims, like Malic, preach religious tolerance when they are the minority. But in areas where the duped outnumbers the right-thinking, Muslims are as intolerant as canines in their turf.

    Here is the link (Abrogated Verses in the Koran) to an article related to this topic but here is the entire article for those who don't want to be taken to that page:

    Abrogated Verses in the Koran

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clear from error" (Sura 2.256).

    Apologists for Islam often quote this verse, and most Westerners, unfamiliar with the Koran and imagining that it must obey the same theological logic as the Christian Bible, assume that Islamic scripture mandates religious toleration toward non-Muslims. That assumption is inaccurate.

    The Koran includes many abrogated verses, called mansukh, and abrogating verses, nasikh; the latter cancel the former, rendering them invalid, though they nevertheless remain in the Koran and are deceptively quoted, for Western consumption, as though they still represented genuine Islamic beliefs. Nasikh and mansukh are legion: Of the Koran's 114 suras (chapters), only 43 are without abrogated or abrogating verses. That is naturally surprising, and so unexpected that few Westerners are aware that significant segments of the Koran have been theologically annulled. Mohammed's non-Muslim contemporaries were just as surprised.

    How does one know, when two verses are contradictory, which is abrogated and which is abrogating? It is a question of date: Later texts abrogate earlier texts whenever there are inconsistencies between them. The Koranic verses that teach tolerance and peace, in particular those that prohibit compulsion in religion, are among the earliest of Mohammed's many revelations and are thus liable to abrogation, whenever Allah felt the inclination to revoke his immutable word. Although Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity, received its revelation from a single person within a short period of time, roughly twenty years, Mohammed was nonetheless able to impose upon his followers the implausible belief that the inerrant Muslim God had routinely changed his mind.

    The pacific, tolerant message of Sura 2.256 reflects the historical circumstances of its composition. Islam was still then decidedly a minority faith and Mohammed and his small band of followers, in Medina and surrounded by non-Muslim enemies, were threatened with destruction. The early Koran of necessity presented religious tolerance as a divine command because nascent Islam had not yet acquired the physical power to compel conversion: "The Apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood ... he had simply been ordered to call men to God, endure insult, and forgive the ignorant" (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah).

    Tolerant Muslim But when Islam became powerful, Allah's eternal message changed. Islam could now "call people by the sword" -- that is, compel conversion -- and accordingly "verses of the sword" were conveniently revealed to the Prophet, verses that sanction and indeed command conversion of the Infidel by armed violence, which historically would be Islam's preferred method. Sura 2.256 was thus abrogated by a later verse, composed after Mohammed had begun to prepare his new Muslim empire for Jihad against the non-Muslim world: "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush" (Sura 9.5). This "verse of the sword" not only abrogates 2.256, but also abrogates well over a hundred earlier verses that formerly taught peace and tolerance toward non-believers.

    Only the later, abrogating verse now represents authentic Muslim teaching.

    hmm hiding behind a new username? LOLZ well i maybe wrong.

    1) no,we are not obeying Islam's commandment of religious intolerance but we are obeying the word of God that, if you know something thats bad for you physically and spirutualy then you should reject it. BUT, again if you will review the history of islam, Islam is soooooooo tolerant of other religion. The occupants of the conquered lands where given freedom to practice their own religion. Thats why i say dont generalize Islam,dont focus on one group and blame everything to ISLAM and all its followers,in other words dont think like a child.


    2) you know what, i think you just copy pasted this idea w/o understanding it.


    3) since this is not your idea i am in no way obligated to correct this malicious article. Im sure Muslim scholars have a counter article for this one.


    4) Now as i have said before if those "abrogated verses" mentioned by the author of this article were all true, i mean if muslims take it the way you understand it then i think we will be in WW3 but you dont see me killing unbelievers on the street. Everything has to be put into context.


    5) oh yes God does changed his mind, are u a christian? read it in your bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dondoy_sa_barrio View Post
    To understand the mindset of Allah, er, Muhammad, take a look at this link (Understanding Muhammad- Ali Sina's Book) or read that below:



    "Since September 11, 2001, there have been over 11,000 terrorist attacks, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians and a lot more injuries, throughout the world. The perpetrators of these attacks were not monsters; they were Muslims. They were pious people who believed and acted in accordance with their faith. There are millions more who think like them and are ready to do the same.

    If you think Islamic terrorism is a new phenomenon, think again. Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220] Since the day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror. His followers have been doing the same ever since.

    Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology.

    To understand Muslims, one must understand their prophet. Muslims worship and emulate Muhammad. Islam is Muhammadanism. Only by understanding him can one know what makes them tick.

    Understanding Muhammad is a psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. It seeks to unveil the mystery of that man. Historians tell us Muhammad used to withdraw to a cave, spending days wrapped in his thoughts. He heard bells ringing and had ghostly visions. He thought he was demon possessed, until his wife reassured him he had become a prophet. Convinced of his status, he was intolerant of those who rejected him, assassinated those who criticized him, raided, looted, and massacred entire populations. He reduced thousands to slavery, raped, and allowed his men to rape female captives. All of this, he did with a clear conscience and a sense of entitlement.

    He was magnanimous toward those who admired him, but vengeful toward those who did not. He believed he was the most perfect human creation and the universe's raison d'ętre. Muhammad was no ordinary man. He was a narcissist.

    Understanding Muhammad, ventures beyond the stories. Focusing on the "why" rather than the "what," it unravels the mystique of one of the most enigmatic and influential men in history.

    Muhammad believed in his own cause. He was so certain of the reality of his hallucinations that he expected everyone to believe too. He would make his Allah indignantly ask “What! Do you then dispute with him [Muhammad] as to what he saw?” (Q.53:12) This is psychopathology. Why should others believe in what he saw? Wasn't it up to him to prove what he saw was real? Only a narcissist expects others to believe in his claims without asking for evidence.

    Muhammad was an orphan. Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood. He then passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him and spoiled him. Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience. He fantasized about unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his ideas and plans. He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when rejected, even killing those who deserted him. He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations. When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying. His problem was that he could not distinguish reality from fantasy.
    He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. This explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules.




    Normal Footprint Muhammad had fleshy and swelled hands and feet. His footprint shows he had acromegaly.

    In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while it increases libido. This explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for ***. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them. Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent. Muhammad's illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.

    The combination of all these psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made Muhammad a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences as signs of his prophethood. Like devotees of all cults, they rose to champion his cause with dedication. By defying death and butchering others they made Islam the world's second largest religion, now the biggest threat to world peace and the survival of human civilization.

    Why is it important to know Muhammad? Because over a billion people try to be like him and do as he did. Consequently, the insanity of one man is bequeathed to all his followers. It is by understanding him that we can see through them, and be able to predict these unpredictable people.

    We live in a dangerous time. When a fifth of humanity worships a psychopath, eulogizes suicide bombing and thinks killing and martyrdom are ultimate acts of piety, the world becomes a dangerous place. When these people acquire the atomic bomb, the earth becomes a powder keg.
    Islam is a cult. It is time for mankind to wake up and realize that this cult is a threat to mankind and there can be no co-existence with Muslims. As long as Muslims believe in Muhammad, they are a threat to others and to themselves. Muslims must either leave Islam, leave their culture of hate and join the rest of mankind as fellow humans, or non-Muslims must separate themselves from them, ban Islam, end the immigration of Muslims and send home those who plot against democracy and refuse to integrate.

    Islam is incompatible with democracy. It is a warring creed that uses democracy to destroy it and to establish itself as a world wide dictatorship. The only way to avert the clash between this barbarity and civilization, a world disaster, is to expose the fallacy of Islam and demystify it. Muslims must be weaned from Islam for humanity to live in peace.

    Understanding Muhammad is imperative for both Muslims and non-Muslims. This book makes that task easy.

    ________________

    Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad: A psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet [ISBN: 978-0980994803]. He is the founder of faithfreedom.org, the organ of the movement of ex-Muslims that tries to unveil the truth about Islam to the world and help Muslims leave it, abandon their culture of hate and join mankind in amity."
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    wow. this Ali sina guy is something.

    well i have an article here a former christian who said something agaisnt christianity and Jesus. He calls jesus a gay and a lunatic. Get my point?

    by the way Ali Sina is a psuedonym. How can we check his credentials if he is hiding behind a psuedonym. LOLZ. I wonder if this Ali Sina ever went to a formal study about islamic laws and jurispreudence. i wonder if this Ali Sina truly knows what Islam is. Who can tell we dont know his real name therefore we can never check his credentials. And who knows if pakawala yan ng mga anti-muslim groups. Yes there are anti-muslim group.

    let me tell you he is taking some verses out of its context and here you are believing every inch of it. LOLZ,you believe in someone who goes by a psuedonym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dondoy_sa_barrio View Post
    Muslims are zealous in "protecting" their women. Nah.

    Truth is, pareha ra na sa usa ka laki nga naay igsoong babaye. Mangigi.

    However, mas grabe ni ang ila kay they want to convert the non-Muslim wife but they don't want the Muslim girl to be converted to another religion. That's what is called apostasy. Kanang mobalhin ka ug relihiyon.

    Sa Islam, ang punishment sa apostasy kay death. So dangerous kaayo for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim.

    Besides, muslims are so fixated with carnal things that's why they zealously guard their women. Here is a quote, but you can read the entire article at http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...t_virgins.htm:

    "Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident materialism and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have "admitted sensual pleasures into paradise". The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the ***** of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

    oi murag dili pod ingun ana imong relihiyon? hahaha.

    pero i know someone a muslim woman nga nag minyo ug christian nga lalaki. cguro walay klaro pod to nga christian kay nag minyo man pod ug muslim. LOLZ Ang tarung nga kristiyano dili man minyo ug laing babaye or lalaki sa laing relihiyon kay nganu? naa man na sa bibliya. Dont be equally yoke with an unbeliever. kana kung tarung ka nga kristyano mo sunod jud ka ana, pero kung wala kay klaro nga pagka kristyano aw cge minyo bisag kinsa. LOLZ.


    Yes there are different pleasures in heaven. You think SEXAUL pleasures are wrong? LOLZ ka conservative nimo oi. Who created *** and sexual pleasures and vaginas anyway? di ba ang God man. hehe.

    Sir kalma lang gamay kay mawal imong pagka rational kung high blood ka. pero wa man churo ka naglagot noh?

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    you know in christianity or in any religion duna jud mga preachers nga mga extreme gamay.

    Sa christianity naay mo wali ug REPENTANCE, they will shout "repent or you will go to hell" or "follow God or else thunder and lightning will consume you" well, tinood man na di ba kay naa man na sa bible pero mao lagi ang pag wali is aggressive ra kau. Pero tinood oi,kung di ka mo repent mo adto jud ka sa impyerno or di kaha God will punish you. Ask those people nga serious sa ilang pagtoo ug nagtoon jud sa bible and they will all agree sa akong gisulti.

    In Islam naa pod mga tao nga ingun ana. They preach with much zeal nga ma misinterpret na hinoon sa mga tao.

    now if you are mature enough you will know all these things. All religion have their own extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    sir, why do christian fast during holy week? why do fundamentalists christians are encourage not to marry catholics and other women from other religion?

    tubaga na sir then makasabot ka kung nganu gi bawal pod na sa ISLAM.
    ? / part diba patyon ang bae nga muslim or ang christian nga laki ug mahibalan nga uyab sila?! mupatay pud ng imo ingon nga fundamentalists christians?! tagai daw kog link nga na news ana beh. naa ra ba jud ko kaila nga muslim na girl part, iya uyab gepatay ky christian mn! also, taga balo-i ko part...

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    Quote Originally Posted by akera View Post
    ? / part diba patyon ang bae nga muslim or ang christian nga laki ug mahibalan nga uyab sila?! mupatay pud ng imo ingon nga fundamentalists christians?! tagai daw kog link nga na news ana beh. naa ra ba jud ko kaila nga muslim na girl part, iya uyab gepatay ky christian mn! also, taga balo-i ko part...

    mga fundamentalist christians? mopatay pod oi. Unfortunately wala lang ma news.

    naa man koy nahibawan part,heheh, nga wala gi patay sa pamilya ang kristyano nga lalaki. gi bawalan lang ang babaye pero wala sila patya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Existanz View Post
    Malic..was that the gatekeeper of fire (Hell)?

    Sir pod oi,hehehe. Asa ka ana nga idea sir?

    Malik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia click for the meaning of malik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    mga fundamentalist christians? mopatay pod oi. Unfortunately wala lang ma news.

    naa man koy nahibawan part,heheh, nga wala gi patay sa pamilya ang kristyano nga lalaki. gi bawalan lang ang babaye pero wala sila patya.
    wa lage sila patya ky gebawalan naman, yaw ingna ga minyo jud cla...

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    akong nabantayan nga kun duna gani sugo ang koran nga barbaric kaayo, moingon dayon si malic nga wa siya mag-practice ana ug dunay freedom sila pagpili. That is, kun evil nga sugo, di sila angay mosunod.

    abi nako nga perfecto ang koran. ug segurado ka, malic, regarding anang imong gi-refer nga satanic verses although, you differently term them as such? last time i heard, iran's mullahs issued a fatwah against salman rushdie for writing the "satanic verses" novel. basin maunay ka.

    anyway, unsang klaseha sa relihiyon man nang inyo nga naa may commandments nga inherently evil?

    and please, stop citing examples that you ascribe to fundamentalist christianity. stand by your own account. not all non-muslims are christians, much less fundamentalist christians. (kun mangita ka ug fundamentalist diri, kamong rcruman pag-lantugi. lingaw kaayo mo tingali paminawon mag-lantugi ni rcruman ug iyang mga hinanib nga mga tawo ni eli soriano. he he he)

    christians have stopped killing people in the name of god centuries ago. on the other hand, islam seems to feed on carnage.

    just asking questions, sir. i'm not against muslims. i'm against any religion's evil teachings.

    reminds me that again, tomorrow, i will have a business meeting with muslim colleagues - the non-pedagogue kind, unlike malic here.

    p.s. don't addle your brain some more and try to associate me with a particular religion. that's too myopic a view, which i'm not too surprised with coming from you. i'm religion-neutral.

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    para di kaayo mainit si malic, watch mo ani:


    YouTube - Jeff Dunham - Achmed the Dead Terrorist

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