LTO / CITOM: Rules and Regulations for motorcycle use / operation

[giddyboy]

Wala jud ta magkasinabot dinhing dapita, mag wheels for motorcycle for me meant katong solid type na walay spokes ex. racing boy brand.

i already corrected my post regarding mag wheels. mag wheels diay is short for magnesium alloy wheels. Nindot tanawn pero delikado ma overheat ky flammable man. And aluminum wheels is not mag wheels.

Anyway, letter "a" to "e" was OK daw but letter "d" of the list was the common complaint coz its somewhat too vague. I read that blog where u copied and pasted that AO and the list from and i was surprised the complaints were only coming from METRO MANILA. Nothing has been mentioned about applying these new guidelines in the provinces like Cebu.

Kung ang disc plate, rims and shock absorbers ra ang usbon bro parehas sa scooters, all the rest as is where is, dakpon diay ghapon na?

well, as i see it, for scooters, the orig disc brakes has its purpose why it is that way and not very large. The same applies to the rims and the shock. Now your premise that changing them is to improve looks and performance, ngano dakpon?

AFAIK, ang mga usually madakpan aning "modifying" dre Cebu:

skeleton body
no side mirrors
changing body color
extension seats
using HID lamps
loud tailpipes

as for the rims, wala pa ko kabaw naay nadakpan dre ug ngano...or basin ligid na sa ninja ang gitaud bro...hahaha

Katong nag lumba ra unta ang ilaha dakpon, dili katong nag ilis ug parts or better yet klarohon ang ilaha guidelines and give specifics sa mga parts sa motor na dili angay gamiton, not issue sweeping guidelines showing how stupid they can get.

no bro. not only illegal racers. kanang public nuisance pud saba tailpipes ug kanang nanggamit HID. knanglan gyud apilon pud ang mga nag modify sa ilaha motor to the extent di na mahibaw-an kng XRM pa ba na or Wave. lisod na kng gamiton ug krimen pre, maglibog ang imbestigador kung unsa bay bike model ang gukdon.

and habal-habal. i know it's a necessity in the bukid but wala unta lang ni sa syudad. Delikado baya gyud ni.

Mao ni ako pasabot, they should have sat down with motorcycle clubs or any organizations for that matter before they even implement it para dili kaayo cla tantong bogo tan-awon.

clubs can be as bias as they can get. well, dialogues are good but LTO and TMG are not stupid. they know better than those clubs. besides, kaning mga myembro usahay aning clubs maoy mag una una ug violate sa motoring rules. Tanawa gud ni cla usahay mag motorcade saba kaayo. AFAIK, motorcades are banned na nationwide unless naay permit. there's even a car club dre nga nanggamit ug HID bulbs. di lng ko mo mention but i think u know...they have no respect for the law and safety. mao nay bogo.

[taryon78]

revised letter D and be more specific ,coz not all modefications for mt is not meant for racing or whatever they think, para nako as long what you do is not gonna harm you or anyone else its ok example change my shocks to a mono shock thats an art, thats a master piece of your own coz you can afford he he .

[DigiBoy]

lets go ride a bike with no handle bars...lolz......

bisikleta nalang oi......para walai lalis.

[teeedert]

i already corrected my post regarding mag wheels. mag wheels diay is short for magnesium alloy wheels. Nindot tanawn pero delikado ma overheat ky flammable man. And aluminum wheels is not mag wheels.

Anyway, letter "a" to "e" was OK daw but letter "d" of the list was the common complaint coz its somewhat too vague. I read that blog where u copied and pasted that AO and the list from and i was surprised the complaints were only coming from METRO MANILA. Nothing has been mentioned about applying these new guidelines in the provinces like Cebu.



well, as i see it, for scooters, the orig disc brakes has its purpose why it is that way and not very large. The same applies to the rims and the shock. Now your premise that changing them is to improve looks and performance, ngano dakpon?

AFAIK, ang mga usually madakpan aning "modifying" dre Cebu:

skeleton body
no side mirrors
changing body color
extension seats
using HID lamps
loud tailpipes

as for the rims, wala pa ko kabaw naay nadakpan dre ug ngano...or basin ligid na sa ninja ang gitaud bro...hahaha



no bro. not only illegal racers. kanang public nuisance pud saba tailpipes ug kanang nanggamit HID. knanglan gyud apilon pud ang mga nag modify sa ilaha motor to the extent di na mahibaw-an kng XRM pa ba na or Wave. lisod na kng gamiton ug krimen pre, maglibog ang imbestigador kung unsa bay bike model ang gukdon.

and habal-habal. i know it's a necessity in the bukid but wala unta lang ni sa syudad. Delikado baya gyud ni.



clubs can be as bias as they can get. well, dialogues are good but LTO and TMG are not stupid. they know better than those clubs. besides, kaning mga myembro usahay aning clubs maoy mag una una ug violate sa motoring rules. Tanawa gud ni cla usahay mag motorcade saba kaayo. AFAIK, motorcades are banned na nationwide unless naay permit. there's even a car club dre nga nanggamit ug HID bulbs. di lng ko mo mention but i think u know...they have no respect for the law and safety. mao nay bogo.

mao ni giingon nga sa masuya lang...wahahah...pre, tigdrive kag motor

kung gipangdakop pa nang ggamit og HID dghana na kaha og nadakpan noh??bisan asa ka moadto, kita jud kag sakyanan or motor nga naka HID...ako everyday man ko gabyahe sa city, wa man jud ko nadakpe...
halos tanan motorista against jud ana nga law nga dili pwde imodify...wahahah

[lestat1116]

ngano karon pa man ni nigawas na guidelines. dako na kaayo gasto ang mga tao pagusab sa motor nila./

[uzumaki]

Tricycle are under D , in which a motorcycle is not intended to have a sidecar...it even stated in the user manual...

so dakpon na nila ang mga tricycle ane?

[uzumaki]

another good source of income sa mga bolay og nga goverment official..tsk2x dili ko infavor sa tanan mga condition na ila gi implement daghan kaau loophole

[piolo_askal]

I also hope they would give sanctions to those noisy motorcycles, eg. those who are playing loud music.

[mannyamador]

Item D is a clear example of a rule that is not legally enforceable because it is too broad and vague.

First let's make something clear: it is NOT illegal to make a vehicle look like a race vehicle. It never has been. You can rgue all you want that it MIGHT be used for racing, but until it is actually raced illegally (or someone attempts to race uit illegally), there are no grounds for apprehension whatsoever. You cannot apprehend someone for a crime that has not yet been committed. The crime must have already been committed, is in the progress of being committed, or is clearly about to be committed.

All modifications, whether suitable for racing or not, are NOT illegal unless they are unsafe. Bigger brakes can be used for racing, but they have other legitimate sues as well. Same with aftermarket wheels and tires.

The new regulations are themselves illegal and can be challenged. Any decent lawyer can show that item D is just stupid and gravely infringes on the rights of motorists.

[giddyboy]

Item D is a clear example of a rule that is not legally enforceable because it is too broad and vague.

as what has been suggested, they should have enumerated one-by-one all "modifying" violations, and not just say "modifying orig design".

Coz what has been specific about this are only those violations we see & heard of everyday like: loud tailpipes, no side mirror, change color, skeleton body...of course ky related man sa safety, security, or public discomfort.

i have'nt heard of yet a motorist apprehended over enlarged brake discs.

First let's make something clear: it is NOT illegal to make a vehicle look like a race vehicle. It never has been. You can rgue all you want that it MIGHT be used for racing, but until it is actually raced illegally (or someone attempts to race uit illegally), there are no grounds for apprehension whatsoever. You cannot apprehend someone for a crime that has not yet been committed. The crime must have already been committed, is in the progress of being committed, or is clearly about to be committed.

well, again, changing the tailpipe into something that makes loud noise is making it look like a race vehicle in some ways. and that is now illegal. i know its public disturbance that is the issue here. And the violation (not really a crime) has been committed in progress once gitaud na nimo ug gipadagan sa dalan.

so ur argument is in fact, arguable.

All modifications, whether suitable for racing or not, are NOT illegal unless they are unsafe. Bigger brakes can be used for racing, but they have other legitimate sues as well. Same with aftermarket wheels and tires.

Not only safety must be considered but also something for the convenience of the general public.

Changing the entire engine is still considered safe and still called "modification". and that is illegal if u don't register it w/ TMG or LTO. Also change color.

so again, ur argument is arguable.

The new regulations are themselves illegal and can be challenged. Any decent lawyer can show that item D is just stupid and gravely infringes on the rights of motorists.

of course, just like any laws & regulations, these laws & regulations can always be challenged. But it doesn't mean they are illegal. But it is more on the balance of the "rights" (not sure of the term) of the motorists and the rights of the general public.

AFAIK, i think driving is not even a "right". It is only a "privilege". It is wrong to say "I have the right to drive". It is more apt to say "I have the privilege to drive".

And i think this is one problem of the Pinoy. We think it is our "right" when in fact it is only a given "privilege".

(1) That's why some pedestrians are like running for dear life when crossing even a pedestrian lane coz drivers think they have more "rights" to use the road than pedestrians.

(2) Jeepney drivers think they have more rights than helpless private vehicles, to loading & unloading in places where they declare it their own terminals, occupying two lanes or more.

(3) Some motorcycle drivers think they have the right to cut right in front of you where it's supposed to be a safety gap distance between ur car and the one in front of u. and swerving left and right as if there are no lanes.