Sola Scriptura

[newtonscousin]

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Worship and veneration are two different things and we Catholics follow the leadership of the Pope.

Its like this.
Bible = the final reference.
Pope = the final interpreter of the reference. So even if in my opinion, a Pope erred in his decision, I will accept his decision as true because I recognized him as the authority. Besides, I am in no position to oppose him since I am not in the position to interpret the Bible anyway.

this is the honest illustration of catholic beliefs that i ever read in this forum about your pope.

[Malic]

i think it's your own understanding bro Malic... because we have a different one and my brothers here already explained our side... it's up to you if you will not accept our explanation..

no no...i am not trying to disqualify the position of the Roma catholic church on Image veneration. What im doing is, i am asking, if tradition contradicts the revealed word,w/c one should catholics accept. then i am also pointing out the reality of the absence of a command to venerate image in the bible.

By doing so i am hoping to prove my point that tho sola scriptura is not in the bible,consideration must take place.


Let me just remind you guys that i am not a christian,so im not siding on anyone, i just think that it is but right to invoke sola scriptura because in Islam we also have our own version of sola scriptura.

[newtonscousin]

Many words do not satisfy the soul; but a good life eases the mind and a clean conscience inspires great trust in God.

@brother malic its a long story to tell about Our Holy Tradition and its our Faith and you have your own Faith!

And as a God-believer is a Humble and to interpret the Holy scripture must end to Love God not self-love.

Have a nice day!

yes, Bible states:

Matthew 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[newtonscousin]

no no...i am not trying to disqualify the position of the Roma catholic church on Image veneration. What im doing is, i am asking, if tradition contradicts the revealed word,w/c one should catholics accept. then i am also pointing out the reality of the absence of a command to venerate image in the bible.

By doing so i am hoping to prove my point that tho sola scriptura is not in the bible,consideration must take place.


Let me just remind you guys that i am not a christian,so im not siding on anyone, i just think that it is but right to invoke sola scriptura because in Islam we also have our own version of sola scriptura.

bro gud am. as all i understand about Muslims, their beliefs are very different from Christians. but good to know now that you consider the Bible as the basis of someones doctrines. (correct me if im wrong)

[-shinobi-]

bible is just a BOOK and nothing more. it is just a product if the minds of the people during those times "religiuos times"

[newtonscousin]

let me comment

There is nothing wrong with assimilating stuffs,as long as it does not contradict Holy Book authorities,the likes of Moses,prophets and the Apostles.

very agree with you.

[r3roble]

no no...i am not trying to disqualify the position of the Roma catholic church on Image veneration. What im doing is, i am asking, if tradition contradicts the revealed word,w/c one should catholics accept. then i am also pointing out the reality of the absence of a command to venerate image in the bible.

By doing so i am hoping to prove my point that tho sola scriptura is not in the bible,consideration must take place.


Let me just remind you guys that i am not a christian,so im not siding on anyone, i just think that it is but right to invoke sola scriptura because in Islam we also have our own version of sola scriptura.

ok bro Malic... point taken...
that's good that you would also consider our position... thank you...

[necrotic freak]

if devotion means, we treating her as the mother of God, the answer is no sir.

not necessarily as the mother of God, but as virgin that is blessed of all women.

Correct me if im wrong, Mary, then, is for the Muslims the true ‘Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. However, after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: "Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary."

In a variant of the text, Fatima is made to say, "I surpass all the women, except Mary."

[Malic]

@Malic

is it true the muslims also have a devotion to the Virgin Mary?

Sir this was your post. I already gave you an answer.

Your next post in relation to your 1st question has in my opinion diverted from your orginal intention.

[geoseph]

as you can see that before Roman Catholicism there were churches already being established. Are you saying sir that ROMAN catholicsim is the oldest church?

If Roman catholicism is not the oldest church then i think they must have a direct lineage to the oldest church to be acknowledge as a legitimate christian church. i just borrowed your principle here sir,when you mentioned about breakaways of other churches and how they are not credible because they are not in direct lineage to RCC. Not catholicism sir ha but Romano catholica.

There were already many "churches" (communities of Christians) during the time of the apostles, but any intact ones, I did not I know of (or was sure of) until the data on the Assyrian Church, my gratitude to you.

The Roman Catholic and the Assyrian Churches seems to bear some semblance with each other, and if the Assyrian Church preserved faithfully the teachings of the apostles, then is that not a clue that the RCC may have actually been somehow linked to or somehow descended from the original churches? The RCC may not be as totally Roman as others might think otherwise.
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The idea of the post was about sources of credibility, from which claims to authority or legitimacy may arise:

.. 1. Lineage
.. 2. Scriptures and Gospels
.. 3. Prophecy, Messages, and Revelations

The issue about Sola Scriptura is like one of these claims, falling under "Scriptures and Gospels", being pitted against "Lineage" and "Prophecy, Messages, and Revelations".

I did not mean to suggest that the RCC is the one true church, or that it is false, by virtue of lineage. There are 12 apostles, at least. I also did not mean to say that the reform and independent churches are either genuine or fake. Personally, I see the sons of Esau no less the sons of Abraham than the sons of Jacob. And also, I did not mean to imply that those arising from prophecy or messengers are any more or any less than the others.

Combinations may be possible. With my limited knowledge of Islam, I have the impression you have all three, if I’m not mistaken.

Perhaps, each one is a valid point after all. Maybe the churches need not be so bent on proving who's who.

I wanted to dig into the human nature underneath the religion for we are people after all. The motive of the post was the hope that greater understanding of each other might help us become more tolerant of one another.