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    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai_327 View Post

    To enumerate those ideas or teachings should I say one-by-one is too many to mention here. I might end up writing voluminously. What I want you to do is to pick up your own Bible, read it then compare it to the religious teachings you have right now and see if it is in accordance with God's Word or not: or simply put, if it is Biblical or not.

    It takes a great amount of humility you know to see the truth for yourself and do something about it.

    --
    Hail to you bro.. but first, be careful what version of the bible your reading.. if its from the protestant bible (KJV) of course it will contradict to the catholic faith..

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    To go back to the original topic.

    Buddhism in my opinion can also answer these questions with consistency. So there must be something else that makes you believe in Christianity other than answering these four questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia View Post
    and not any other faith.

    Think of the deepest question of your heart and mind. These are the areas we deal with, particularly these 4, the question of:

    1. Origin ----- Where did I come from? How did I come to be?
    2. Meaning--- Purose, How do I find purpose to life?
    3. Morality --- How do I define and separate right from wrong?
    4. Destiny --- What happen when I die?

    Religion(s) attempts to answer those questions and sometimes world view may answer one with a fair degree of correspondence to truth but when you put all 4 together theres need to be a coherence.

    What makes Jesus Christ unique and different is the coherence HE gives to all these answers. HIS purity, His virgin birth, His sacrifice and finally His resurrection from the dead, indeed unique and different.

    The importance is not just what was said but who said it. The person of Jesus Christ, The life he lived is what life should and ought to be.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Hail to you bro.. but first, be careful what version of the bible your reading.. if its from the protestant bible (KJV) of course it will contradict to the catholic faith..
    ...irregardless of what version are you using, the Word of God is still the same. The only difference (which obviously makes the distinction) between the various translations that we have (those who have the imprimatur insignia, which are those Bibles that the Roman Catholics licensed to publish compared to the non-Catholic-badged versions) are the Apocrypha. The Roman Catholic Bible included those books, to give credence to the Roman Catholic teaching of Purgatory, and among other things. The other versions, which you have called "protestant Bibles" did not include the Apocrypha. Evangelical Christians do not consider the Apocrypha as part of the canon of the Scriptures, for it contradicted the very teaching of the Christian faith wherein a person is justified solely, by the grace of God, by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone, apart from any meritorious work of the human being (you can read the entire book of Romans, as Paul eloquently discoursed about the matter). For "just as a man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). Judgment comes right after a man dies, and this verse alone dispels the need for that person to undergo "purging", which the entire idea of purgatory (i.e., the chance for a man to be cleansed/purged of his/her sins in order to be accepted into heaven) came about. The verdict as to where your destination in the afterlife, is handed down while a person is still living, and not in the purgatory.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai_327 View Post
    ...irregardless of what version are you using, the Word of God is still the same. The only difference (which obviously makes the distinction) between the various translations that we have (those who have the imprimatur insignia, which are those Bibles that the Roman Catholics licensed to publish compared to the non-Catholic-badged versions) are the Apocrypha. The Roman Catholic Bible included those books, to give credence to the Roman Catholic teaching of Purgatory, and among other things. The other versions, which you have called "protestant Bibles" did not include the Apocrypha. Evangelical Christians do not consider the Apocrypha as part of the canon of the Scriptures, for it contradicted the very teaching of the Christian faith wherein a person is justified solely, by the grace of God, by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone, apart from any meritorious work of the human being (you can read the entire book of Romans, as Paul eloquently discoursed about the matter). For "just as a man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). Judgment comes right after a man dies, and this verse alone dispels the need for that person to undergo "purging", which the entire idea of purgatory (i.e., the chance for a man to be cleansed/purged of his/her sins in order to be accepted into heaven) came about. The verdict as to where your destination in the afterlife, is handed down while a person is still living, and not in the purgatory.
    that is why i said be careful what bible versions you are reading. if you are not a protestant it is wise to read a catholic bible. yes the word of God still the same, supposedly.. but havent you noticed some word translation in some bible are different. which is very essential to christian faith, that it should be in line with the original text of the scripture.. it is not only about the apocrypha.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Hail to you bro.. but first, be careful what version of the bible your reading.. if its from the protestant bible (KJV) of course it will contradict to the catholic faith..
    this is plain ignorance. maski unsa pa nga version sa bible necro wala gyud na kalainan gawas sa deuterocanonicals maski imo pa na e compare.

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    @Necro

    ...the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals makes the difference, Sir. That is what I wanted to point out. Other than that, I trust the modern translations of today. We are one-step away from the original languages of the Bible, which is Hebrew (and some part Aramaic) in the Old Testament, and Greek in the New Testament.

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    from mr ho_chia
    1. Origin ----- Where did I come from? How did I come to be?
    2. Meaning--- Purose, How do I find purpose to life?
    3. Morality --- How do I define and separate right from wrong?
    4. Destiny --- What happen when I die?

    origin - imagine
    meaning - peace and unity
    morality - this song is absolutely right
    destiny - we ride with the song, it's easy as your ABC's and 123's

    c'mon, kasayon ra buhaton sa kanta..

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai_327 View Post
    @Necro

    ...the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals makes the difference, Sir. That is what I wanted to point out. Other than that, I trust the modern translations of today. We are one-step away from the original languages of the Bible, which is Hebrew (and some part Aramaic) in the Old Testament, and Greek in the New Testament.
    Ok as you say.. so i my understanding is that before you be came a born again christian you are a catholic. then after reading the bible (apocrypha) version you be came born again? because some catholic teachings contradicted the apocrypha bible? am i correct sir?

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai_327 View Post
    ...Soli Deo Gloria!

    @Mr.Ho_chia

    ...maybe it would be good if you post the entire argument mounted by Ravi Zacharias (as to man's Origin, Meaning, Morality, Destiny) in Lee Strobel's "The Case for Faith", which I believe is your resource for this thread.

    Thank you daan Bro
    I admire Ravi Zacharias. indeed one of the greatest apologist i have ever heard and read about. I am always blessed by how GOD revealed to him the truth of the Christian faith.
    Feel free to do so if you feel it's best. Thanks bro.
    Last edited by Mr.Ho_chia; 06-19-2008 at 06:37 PM.

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