What can Self-Righteous, Anti-GMA supporters say about these?

[LytSlpr]

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I'm just practical.

I'll give you a scenario. If there is a medicine that is a cure for a terminal illness but has some side effects, won't you take that medicine?

A simple, YES or NO.

Not all medications are blocked by the FDA or BFAD if the cure it brings is for the greater good. If we BLOCK each medicine each time, them people with terminal illnesses will die just like our country.

IMO, the current president is still the "better medicine" not discounting her "side effects". Now not until a "better cure" comes along and will be supported by the majority, then she is still our best medication even she is a bitter pill to swallow, for some.

Hope is good but false hope is worse.

[vern]

How can you compare the presidency to medicine? Who the people put in office is a choice that the people can control while the process of getting a medicine developed is a process controlled by an elite few. This is where you go wrong. You believe that Philippine democracy is ruled by the few and there is no hope for anything better until "someone better comes along". If everyone had that mentallity, you are absolutely right, nothing would change. The Philippines elected it's leaders ... it is their own damn fault if they get bit in the ass for it ... but the choice is still there. The choice may be influenced by outside forces, but the choice can still be made. Pakistan recently voted overwhelmingly for the opposition party in their last election. Choice in action.

[tinsi]

@vern - I could not agree with you more!!!! I look forward to your postings not only because I agree with most of your arguments but they are delivered with a lot of thought. May your tribe increase.

BTW, something that might interest the people on this thread is currently replaying on the ANC Channel. The BIG PICTURE by Ricky Carandang and the topic is on Financial Crisis 101 They tackle the subprime problem as well as other risks that the Philippine economy is facing. The guests are : Peter Wallace, Benjamin Diokno (UP ECONOMICS Professor) Victor Abola of UAP.

[cebu1029]

How can you compare the presidency to medicine? Who the people put in office is a choice that the people can control while the process of getting a medicine developed is a process controlled by an elite few. This is where you go wrong. You believe that Philippine democracy is ruled by the few and there is no hope for anything better until "someone better comes along". If everyone had that mentallity, you are absolutely right, nothing would change. The Philippines elected it's leaders ... it is their own damn fault if they get bit in the ass for it ... but the choice is still there. The choice may be influenced by outside forces, but the choice can still be made. Pakistan recently voted overwhelmingly for the opposition party in their last election. Choice in action.

Open your eyes! The philippine democracy is ruled by the elite. The rich and connected. Why did the opposition field FPJ? So they can court the masa votes. The masa naman are willing to sell their votes as they are thinking... "may na lang naa tay makuha ani, kay kung makalingkod na gani, kalimtan na ta nila."

Pakistan is already in the people power stage!

[vern]

@cebu1029 ... I do not know how you think I should open my eyes. Yes, people's votes can be bought with petty promises and that is a shame ... but no one is holding a gun to their heads in the voting booth. If you do not understand my posts, please do not reply. I was not talking to you or even reading your posts as your posts only point fingers at whose to blame and not pointing out what the problem is. The masses might hold the blame for their own votes, but the educated who do nothing or do not have the courage to lead with their ideals are bigger failures. Armies do not conquer without generals. The plight of the many cannot be answered when they have no voice. The rich and the powerful who want to do the right thing however do have that voice. Their actions or inaction is their choice.

[LytSlpr]

How can you compare the presidency to medicine? Who the people put in office is a choice that the people can control while the process of getting a medicine developed is a process controlled by an elite few. This is where you go wrong. You believe that Philippine democracy is ruled by the few and there is no hope for anything better until "someone better comes along". If everyone had that mentallity, you are absolutely right, nothing would change. The Philippines elected it's leaders ... it is their own damn fault if they get bit in the ass for it ... but the choice is still there. The choice may be influenced by outside forces, but the choice can still be made. Pakistan recently voted overwhelmingly for the opposition party in their last election. Choice in action.

I was not comparing it to how a medicine or a president is made. It is accepting the medicine or president regardless of its/her faults or side effects if it is for the greater good. This was the logic I was trying to emphasize. In a nutshell, not everytime a President commits a fault, the country will suffer and everything will "almost" stop.

Why does this happen? because the clamor for the President to step down is not really BY THE PEOPLE and FOR THE PEOPLE otherwise this President has already been unseated through a ANOTHER revolution a long time ago to affirm that her incapacity to run this country is valid.

[worldwide]

I was not comparing it to how a medicine or a president is made. It is accepting the medicine or president regardless of its/her faults or side effects if it is for the greater good. This was the logic I was trying to emphasize. In a nutshell, not everytime a President commits a fault, the country will suffer and everything will "almost" stop.

how can you accept the president regardless of its/her faults? reminds me of the saying "fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". which just means that to allow the government to continually lead us by the nose, ambot unsa tawag nato ana. and how would you know if its really for the greater good? you know i agree with you that when a president commits a fault not everything will stop. as we have noticed, when she faces a crisis like the manila pen, the stock market remains stable, sometimes going on the upward trend. that means the economy is not really dependent on her, the private sector on its own make corrections and propels the market. i don't really think that it's going to be the end of the world without her.

Why does this happen? because the clamor for the President to step down is not really BY THE PEOPLE and FOR THE PEOPLE otherwise this President has already been unseated through a ANOTHER revolution a long time ago to affirm that her incapacity to run this country is valid.

you know why she's still there? its because she surrounded herself with generals, politicized the pnp and afp. according to former civil service commision chairman karina david, about 90 former military and police officers are in civilian offices in the government. where can you find any country that has the most number of retired generals serving in the cabinet? again, another first - only in the philippines.

[tinsi]

Fuel Prices skyrocket at 50 Pesos per Liter and Rice Shortage


hala sige samoka pa ninyo ug maayo atong presidente mura baya ug naa mo'y solusyon. unsa na man sad inyong rason ron? gi-tuyo ni ni GMA? mao ni na-ingon ani kay corrupt siya? puro ra mo rason, satsat ug propaganda.

@Lytslpr I had to go back to your initial questions when you started this thread. Your point I believe then was that these problems (as indicated by your hyperlink , the Oil prices and rice shortage) were not caused by PGMA. On that account you are right. But I guess the opening remark was kinda off the mark kay gisugdan man god ug Hala samoka pa ninyou atong presidente ... which seemed to imply that just because these were caused by outside forces we should not make her administration accountable for the lack of preparation to meet the problems head on. The reason why the presidency is determined by an election is precisely because she will always be held accountable to the country's citizens (here and abroad) whether or not the problems that face him/her are internally or externally driven. I for one thinks that the VAT on fuel BY NOW should have already been discontinued or at least scaled down. Our country projects its revenues based on certain assumptions. The revenues raised from VAT on fuel I am sure has already far exceeded this administrations forecast so why continue to be greedy? dapat kutob ra unta ang VAT up to a certain price in fuel. BUT kung naa pa gyud ni silay simpatiya sa plight nato why was this not done? MANAGEMENT OF AN EXTERNAL PROBLEM REQUIRES THE IMPLEMENTATION OF MITIGATING MEASURES DOABLE WITHIN THE POWERS OF PRESIDENT. The suspension of VAT is just one measure. Daghan pa ang puedeng himoon. Bright ug hardworking man kaha nang atong presidente?

[internasyonalista]

i think we should ponder deeply about crisis and misery nga nahiagoman dili lang sa nasud karon kondili sa tiuok kalibotan?

nganong ang tanang nanglabay'ng presidente lakip na si GMA wala man kasulbad sa problema? buot ipasabot nganong ang administrasyon ug oposisyon sukad pa kaniadto hangtod karon nga nagpuli-puli lamang paglingkod s gahom wala makakita sa tamang solusyon sa krisis?

dviding us between pro-administration and pro-opposition ug mag-away asa mas maayo og programa administarasyon ba o oposisyon is a waste of time. we should study and analyse why for almost a century now wala man napaminus ang krisis sa nasud ug sa kalibotan. gani, migrabe man hinoon kini. syempre, bisan kinsa ang naa sa administration (GMA, Erap, Lacson o Satur Ocampo o Joma Sison man) pulos gyud miingon nga maayo ang pagpadagan nila sa gobyerno samtang ang oposisyon moingon nga dili...

sayop sab ang pag-ingon nga dili na lang kita mosupak ug moprotesta sa gihimo sa gobyerno para "way samok" ug "molambo" ang nasud.

ang unang tikang sa solusyon sa krisis mao ang pagdawat sa kamatuoran nga dili ang problema kon kinsa ang naa sa gahom. ang problema mao ang dunot nga kapitalistang sistema nga padayong gidepensahan sa administrasyon ug oposisyon lakip na ang mga Leftists sa nasud...

[LytSlpr]

how can you accept the president regardless of its/her faults? reminds me of the saying "fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". which just means that to allow the government to continually lead us by the nose, ambot unsa tawag nato ana. and how would you know if its really for the greater good? you know i agree with you that when a president commits a fault not everything will stop. as we have noticed, when she faces a crisis like the manila pen, the stock market remains stable, sometimes going on the upward trend. that means the economy is not really dependent on her, the private sector on its own make corrections and propels the market. i don't really think that it's going to be the end of the world without her.

you know why she's still there? its because she surrounded herself with generals, politicized the pnp and afp. according to former civil service commision chairman karina david, about 90 former military and police officers are in civilian offices in the government. where can you find any country that has the most number of retired generals serving in the cabinet? again, another first - only in the philippines.

first of all, the situation of our country is already a shame. if you are still very idealistic and/or in denial about it, then that is your choice. i don't need to enumerate how US FILIPINOS made a fool and shamed ourselves to the world. so how long will you accept that we are fools? until even our grandchildren cannot witness that change? we have to start somewhere and if we are so idealistic to commence that change on a CLEAN SLATE, then we must be dreaming. we have to play fools for now.

GMA is still there not because of the generals, she is still there because the MAJORITY of the citizenry still ACCEPTS that she STILL has the moral authority to run the country despite her faults and blunders.

What do people against her REALLY WANT? Every time and each time WE SOMEHOW THINK and KNOW that a President stole from the coffers of the government we will unseat that President? YES, WE SHOULD! But we should still respect the rule of law and if we find that the rule of law has been GROSSLY and UTTERLY manipulated then that is the time a REVOLUTION should come in. BUT the revolution should be successful IN ORDER TO BE VALID but ANY ATTEMPTS of sparking such revolution by a political-hungry few is just greed which is what the MORE GREEDY is exactly doing right now.

Mao na kang GMA lang usa ko until a better contender comes a long because it is not only enough that someone just comes along, he or she should be winnable. Otherwise, he or she will just be eaten by the alligators who are the very same people since Marcos' time and has always been the ones tearing this country apart.

They had their shot during Erap's time but they BLEW IT because they were cannibalizing each other.