What if the Nazis won the World War II?

[Hellblazer]

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all grand events in history are someone's ideas of making the world a better place to live in. for example, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the 9/11 bombing. ('c',)

[Ramini]

@rodion

i think japan won't very much stand a chance maskn nag superior ghapon silag navy..Italy will help (if they will) and japan has geographical disadvantages plus hitler's impregnable atlantic wall..they can do heavy coastal bombings how much they like pero they can't possibly land or capture a beachhead..maong succesful ang kadtong allied landings was because troops that was used to man the defensive walls were mostly volksturm infantry and wlai mga vehicles and other more experienced troops to help quell the invasion..the invasion could've been stopped if Rommel was given the go ahead to dispatch an motorized SS army to reinforce the wall..now considering that (as far as i know) japan never had or even thought of improving their war machines unlike germany so i guess wla ghapon..and as you have said that germany would eventually invade US and succed so we can safely assume that pearl will be in german hands so that's another point to germany. now if we assume that japan will have razed most of Asia and cge including Australia..cguro the most obvious advantage ana is a much larger battlefield pero with germany controlling the oil, with updated war machines, resources, geographical advantage i think the war with japan will only last for like 3 years max considering the large battlefield which will happen mostly in China and India (that's only my guess) i think germany will only use mainly the revitalized Luftwaffe..by that time naa na cguro silay jet fighters are capable na mupatay ug mga japanese carriers without worrying much on its AA defenses.this war will be a no brainer to the germans..and as for the japanese..."goodluck suckers!!" thanks for the idea bro.

[rodsky]

all grand events in history are someone's ideas of making the world a better place to live in. for example, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the 9/11 bombing. ('c',)

You have to be careful trying to mix religious ideology with political ideologies. While your idea seems sound at first glance, take note that Nazism is a politically driven doctrine rather than a religious one. Why the difference? Simple. It all has to do with the phrase "make the world a better place to live in"...

...say what? The inquisition was led by Roman Catholicism, a fundamentalist religion at the time, like Islam, which preached that paradise was in heaven and not here on earth--they would be the last people to claim that they are trying to 'make the world a better place to live in"...heck no...they just want to "prepare" everyone's souls for the afterlife...they couldn't care less if conditions were atrocious. The Nazi's on the other hand, considered lfe on "earth" (not in Heaven or Valhalla) as precious, and thus this was why they had to rid the world of the Jews, because they believe the Jews were part of the reason why the Fatherland was such a bad place to live in. Religion and politics don't mix, even if sometimes, we mistake one for the other.

-RODION

[Ramini]

, even if sometimes, we mistake one for the other.
-RODION

quite right jd!

[Hellblazer]

pardon my post sir. it's not my place to question you.

[rodsky]

@rodion

i think japan won't very much stand a chance maskn nag superior ghapon silag navy..Italy will help (if they will) and japan has geographical disadvantages plus hitler's impregnable atlantic wall..they can do heavy coastal bombings how much they like pero they can't possibly land or capture a beachhead..maong succesful ang kadtong allied landings was because troops that was used to man the defensive walls were mostly volksturm infantry and wlai mga vehicles and other more experienced troops to help quell the invasion..the invasion could've been stopped if Rommel was given the go ahead to dispatch an motorized SS army to reinforce the wall..now considering that (as far as i know) japan never had or even thought of improving their war machines unlike germany so i guess wla ghapon..and as you have said that germany would eventually invade US and succed so we can safely assume that pearl will be in german hands so that's another point to germany. now if we assume that japan will have razed most of Asia and cge including Australia..cguro the most obvious advantage ana is a much larger battlefield pero with germany controlling the oil, with updated war machines, resources, geographical advantage i think the war with japan will only last for like 3 years max considering the large battlefield which will happen mostly in China and India (that's only my guess) i think germany will only use mainly the revitalized Luftwaffe..by that time naa na cguro silay jet fighters are capable na mupatay ug mga japanese carriers without worrying much on its AA defenses.this war will be a no brainer to the germans..and as for the japanese..."goodluck suckers!!" thanks for the idea bro.

Good points. But sorry, I beg to differ. I already simulated this for several years, using several PC-based wargames (realistic , hex based, historically accurate wargames, one of my hobbies--I am a closet grognard hihihi), including the notable Panzer General II (which I modded to allow for Japanese units) and Pacific General. The aircraft carrier is a very potent weapon--and considering that air power was key in the Second World War and the ability to "bring the war" to your front door via carriers was also key (i.e. take the Battle of Midway...the opposing forces never even saw each other, yet inflicted terrible damage on each other). Ergo, Japan still stood a fighting chance if it was able to bring the might of its full-capacity fleet (assuming the East-Asia co-prosperity sphere was a success) round the Moluccas, through the Suez Canal, and into the med, with a pincer force rounding Gibraltar and headed for the Danish coast (something I successfully managed to simulate before). Fortress Europa will again, be besieged.

-RODION

[Ramini]

It was not a ruse--it was a necessity. It's like living with your in-laws--if it's necessary to do, you certainly as hell can't do a damn thing about it, even if you hate them

-RODION

The germans also made a treaty with Russia at first early in the 30's murag non aggression treaty..bt eventually russia was too tempting for hitler so he he invaded it..that was his version of India from the British..

[rodsky]

pardon my post sir. it's not my place to question you.

No, lol, you have every right to share views--it's a discussion, not an inquisition! LOL! This is why discussing this is fun--what if's are always a great way to stretch the imagination and exercise the mind and learn something in the process

The germans also made a treaty with Russia at first early in the 30's murag non aggression treaty..bt eventually russia was too tempting for hitler so he he invaded it..that was his version of India from the British..

I have to admit that the weak point in my argument is, what about Russia? In my argument I totally assume they were defeated along with the allies, but consider that for a moment--how does one actually defeat Russia? You may defeat them militarily, but defeating it as a country, shrugs, I really don't know how to go about thinking about what Russia's role is in my Germany vs. Japan thing.

-RODION

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maybe russia will be the last bastion against the nazis.

[Ramini]

@Rodion

it'd be another Poland i guess..hitler doesn't really mind conquering russia as a nation but rather as a territory and a source of food and other materials he just needs to keep russian insurgency at bay..Russia can be a vital territory against our mythical german vs. russia nga discussion..it can also be used a strategic military route..anyway ako lang gi mirror imong post about necessary treaties which will eventually be broken..with what germany did with russia as to with japan.