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  1. #481

    nag Claim ang Catholic Vatican nga sila ang Bible is a Catholic Book ... pero basa

    The New Testament was completed by A.D. 96, when the Vatican was busy with killing Christians.
    The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, compiled in A.D. 170 when the Vatican was burning Christians as torches.
    In A.D. 363, the Council of Laodicea [in modern day Turkey, far away from Rome] stated that only the OT & the 27 books of the NT were to be read in the churches.
    The Council of Hippo, A.D. 393 and the Council of Carthage, A.D. 397, both in Africa, also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.
    The Old Testament was canonized by the Jews, not the Vatican swine.
    The Vatican includes the 7 UN-inspired (even promote witchcraft) Apocryphal books from the Jews' Greek Septuagint as its Bible Canon.
    In 1546, the Vatican first canonized its 'Bible' including 12 Apocryphal books, 1350 years after the Bible was canonized by early Christians.
    Jesus preached the Old Testament canon (the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings) which did not have the Apocryphal!
    ALL the Scripture writers were Jews, not a single Roman or Roman Catholic.

    The Vatican is a thief and robber, who robs the glory of God.

    Salbahis diay ning Vatican ... hahahahah ...
    Last edited by amingb; 01-16-2018 at 11:31 AM.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post

    that is if you're Jewish bai mutuo jud ka dapat sa Jewish Bible canon. but we are talking about the Christian Bible Canon man gud. the Torah bitaw, kanang 4 Gospels kay heresy baya na kay it talks about the divinity of Jesus.


    that's because Catholics have a doctrine of original sin and only through baptism can a soul be born again.

    it's just labels bai.. Protestants don't have sacraments. so when you dedicate infants that's baptism for catholics.. when you baptize adults renouncing the sinful nature, catholics have a somewhat similar ceremony which is called the sacrament of confirmation.
    Jewish Bible kanang Old Testament parihas rana sa Christian Bible ( non Catholic ) but different sequence ... Catholic Bible kay include man ang Apocypha ...

    Kanang mo ingon Heresy kay mga Jewish Heretics na sila .... way klaro na sila ...

    Ang Protestant naa pud sacrament kanang Communion ug Baptism but Rejected the other Five Catholics Sacrament because there is o Biblical Basis.

    Yes man are Sinful in Nature because we are conceived from our parents who are sinful ... pero dili na sabton literal nga ang infants makasasala napud ... ug unsay inquity sa atong Parents sa pagkatawo nato wala tay labot ana ilaha rana ... dili inherited ang sin matod pas Doctrine anang Original sin.

    Pangutana kinsa may Angayan Baptismohan ? ang akong tubag katong mag Repent who have place sa ilahang faith ni Christ ( Acts 2:38 ) ang infant way pay buot wapa kasabot ug Pure and Holy dili na sila Baptismohan. Pero dili na basihan sa kaluwasan ang Baptism ... ijah2x lang ta luwas atong kaugalingon

  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Mao ni ang Dapat unsay naa sa Hebrew Bible ...

    Luke 24:44New International Version (NIV)
    44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

    1. The Law (Torah)
    2. The Prophets (Neviim)
    3. The Writings[Psalms] (Kethubim)

    This tells us that Jesus was preaching with the Hebrew Bible, which does not include any of the Apocryphal books.

    Mao na ang mga Protestant 66 Book rajud na wala gi apil ang 11 or 12 Apocryphal kay wala na ma sulod sa gi ingon ni Christ ....


    So kanang Purgatory naa man nas Maccabees nga apocryphal books so therefore kami non catholics dili mo tuo anang Purgatory ...
    Nganong naa may mga Jewish / Hebrew law nga gisupak ni Cristo bro? Gani gi akusahan si Cristo ug blasphemy. Sa ato pa lahi jud ang bible sa mga Hebrew ug lahi pod sa Christian.

  4. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Nganong naa may mga Jewish / Hebrew law nga gisupak ni Cristo bro? Gani gi akusahan si Cristo ug blasphemy. Sa ato pa lahi jud ang bible sa mga Hebrew ug lahi pod sa Christian.
    The blasphemy is what Christ claim about himself, not breaking the law. If He broke the Law then Christ would have been a law breaker, i.e a sinner.

  5. #485
    kalisod sad aning mao pay pagka anak nako makasasala na dayon ko? makiangyon ba kaha na?
    nya ang basihan sa sala kay ang bibliya? nga gisuwat sa mga tawng wala ta kaila and wala ta kahibaw sa ilaha solod sa utok atong panahona sa pagsuwat nila.
    ang relihiyon kay usik2 ra na sa inyo panahon ug kwarta.
    maypa mo sunod ramos golden rule, ok na ang tanan.

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    before ta mopalit ug libro, mamili man gani ta, pila ang presyo, kinsa ang author, unsay story about, mga reviews. pero sa bible nangabogo ang mga taw. too lang dayon. no questions asked. . mga cite2 pag mga verses. hahaha makatawa lang ko.
    nawala ila common sense.

  6. #486
    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    The blasphemy is what Christ claim about himself, not breaking the law. If He broke the Law then Christ would have been a law breaker, i.e a sinner.
    Christ broke the law of Sabbath but He did not broke the law of His Father in heaven.

    We are not Hebrew or Jews. We are Christians. Hence, we must follow the Canonical Christian Bible.

    Why should I believe the Jewish people when they are the ones who killed my Lord?

  7. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Christ broke the law of Sabbath but He did not broke the law of His Father in heaven.
    That law came from the 10 Commandments so it is the law of God. Christ did not break it. The Jews had interpretation and tradition from that law ug didto sila nag disagree. You're making unnecessary distinction sa law, in fact isa ra na.

    We are not Hebrew or Jews. We are Christians. Hence, we must follow the Canonical Christian Bible.

    Why should I believe the Jewish people when they are the ones who killed my Lord?
    Jesus never argued sa canon in fact what the Jews believed as Scriptures, He also believe as Scriptures.

  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Nganong naa may mga Jewish / Hebrew law nga gisupak ni Cristo bro? Gani gi akusahan si Cristo ug blasphemy. Sa ato pa lahi jud ang bible sa mga Hebrew ug lahi pod sa Christian.
    mao ni gi explain sa akoa sa una ....

    Luke 4:24

    New International Version
    "Truly I tell you," he continued, "no prophet is accepted in his hometown'

    its a good example ug naa isa ka member sa Pamilya nga mag pa Convert ug mag pa Baptize sa lain non Catholic Christian Church ... kadaghan kay Persecuted sa pamilya ....

    Pero wa tay mahimo ana kay ang Jews mao ang Chosen people sa Ginoo .... ma trace man gud na gikan ni Abraham which is the father ot the Jews ...

    Kanang gi break daw ang law is kanang Sabbath Day ... ug daghan mga sugo sa Old Testament nga gi usab ni Christ dili nalang nato apilon ....

    Kay accordingly pa we are not Under the Mosaic Law under nata New Testament which is Christ. ug wala tangtanga ni Christ ang Law iyaha pa gi pun-an ug gi usab.

    Romans 10:4
    4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

    Ug regarding anang Sabbath Day accoring to Jesus everyday is a Sabbath Day.

    About anang Bible ang Hebrew Bible kay Old Testament rana .. ang Christian Bible kay compose ug Old and New. ..

    Nag differ lang ang Christian Bible sa Catholic ug Protestant ... pero kanang Hebrew Bible parihas ras Protestant Bible sa Old Testament ...

    Ang pangutana ngano wala may New Testament sa Hebrew Bible ? ... ang tubag kay ang mga Jews wala maka dawat ni Christ .. gi explain na nako sa taas.
    Last edited by amingb; 01-18-2018 at 11:16 AM.

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    Christ broke the law of Sabbath but He did not broke the law of His Father in heaven.

    We are not Hebrew or Jews. We are Christians. Hence, we must follow the Canonical Christian Bible.

    Why should I believe the Jewish people when they are the ones who killed my Lord?
    mao ni explanation ako na learn about sabbath day ...

    diba 7th day mana ang Sabbath Day .... ang Catholic every day and almost every hour nag mass ... does it mean ni break pud ang Catholic Church ?

    the answer is No ... wala gi break si Jesus but gi enchance lang niya .... mao na gi ingon EveryDay everyhour everyminute everysencond of the day is considered sacred para sa mga Christians ... we should not follow what the Old Testament says kay under nata ni Christ which is the end of the Law.

    Ug mao nang istoriaha dili pasabot mo undang ta trabaho sa Sacred Day or Lords day or Sabbath Day ? kay si Jesus nag trabaho man sa Sabbath Day mao gi silutan ...

    Ang importante nato mga Christian mag binootan ta kada adlaw permi naa Ginoo sa atoa kinabuhi ... hahahaha ...
    Last edited by amingb; 01-18-2018 at 11:58 AM.

  10. #490
    Ayaw namo cge og lalis.
    Wala na daw porgatory matod pa ni Pope Francis.

    The Pope ends state of limbo after 800 years - Telegraph

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