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    Kana pud imong ingon @marius nga real muslims consider Christians as brothers, kung tinuod na dapat walaon na nang mga passages sa Quran or mga passages dinha sa mga Hadith nga christians mga infidels, nga mga infidels patyon...

    Ug sa uban nimo points, unya nako motubag ana kay tan-aw sa ko John Wick 2. Allowed dinha mga sinehan sa Saudi @marius?

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    Hinuon @marius sayop jud to sa mga Amerkano nganong gipatay pa jud nila Saddam. Abi man gud nila nga kung mawala si Saddam unya mag install ug democratic government, mo improve ang Iraq. One more democratic country, one more win for the USA. Ning improve na baya to sitwasyon sa Iraq unta but when US troops left in 2011 per Obama's orders, didto na dayon sugod na kaayo gubot. It left a "power vacuum" in Iraq and everyone wanted that power, the Shias supported by Iran. Then kadtong mga soldiers ni Saddam ug members sa iyang cabinet nga gusto mobalik sa ilang pagka powerful, then Al Qaeda, then ISIS. Naive kaayo ang US kay abi sa US nga everyone would embrace democracy with open arms, but with a country like Iraq, the people have been ruled with brutality for so long, they didn't know what the concept of democracy is. They certainly weren't strong enough to fight for it, democracy. Mao na, perteng bahakhak sa ISIS.
    1979, I think mao na nga year turning point sa mga Muslim. First, the Iranian Revolution. When the Shah was ousted and Ayatollah Khomeini came to power, the rest of the Muslim world was very impressed. The Shah was friendly with the U.S. and majority of Muslims hated that, so when Ayatollah Khomeini became the Supreme Leader and imposed a Shia theocratic caliphate, the rest of the Muslim world thought Iran was blessed by Allah. Nasuya hasta mga Sunni. Then a few months later, the U.S. embassy in Tehran was taken hostage. At that time, Muslims in Saudi were dissatisfied with the royal family. They thought the house of Saud were getting too friendly with the West. Because of the success of the Iranian revolution, then the hostage incident at the US Embassy, these Islamists in Saudi were emboldened to take over the grand mosque in Mecca. Two weeks later, na resolve ang sitwasyon sa Mecca, it was revealed that key members of the "ulema" helped and conspired with the Islamists. Saudi was founded based on a compact between the house of Saud and Al-Wahhab, a cleric. So these clerics felt that the house of Saud betrayed that compact by being friendly with the West, so mao to ilang plano kuhaan power ang royal family. King Khalid had a meeting with these clerics who betrayed the royal family, but instead of punishing them, he proposed a new compact: iya gi.ingan ang ulema, never again will they conspire against the house of Saud and never again will they promote jihadist ideology within the Kingdom, dar al Islam. In exchange, the clerics could spread Wahhabi ideology outside the kingdom, in the land of the infidels, dar al harb. And the Kingdom promised support.
    A few weeks later, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The Soviets had a treaty with the Afghan government, which at that time, was a Marxist regime. The Islamists in Afghanistan didn't want the Marxist govt. They wanted an Islamic govt, thus the rebellion. Because of its treaty, the Soviet Union felt compelled to help the Marxist Afghan govt against the rebels. Enter bin Laden. Because of his Saudi connections, siya tig hatod financial support from Saudi padulong didto sa mga afghan mujahideen. Bin Laden was able to recruit people from all over the Muslim world to help the mujahideen fight the Soviets. The mujahideen were getting support from Saudi Arabia. The U.S. was sending covert support too. In the end, ning retreat ang mga Soviets, they decided Afghanistan wasn't worth it. This victory, of course, was the catalyst for bin Laden. Muslims were the righteous people and warriors of Allah.
    When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the house of Saud was fearful that Saudi Arabia would be next on Saddam's list. Bin Laden went to King Fahd and requested that King Fahd not let the infidel west help Saudi against Saddam, and instead rely on bin Laden's army of mujahideen to defend the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, pero nibalibad man King Fahd, nagpa tabang hinuon sa mga Amerkano. Mao to perteng sukoa ni bin Laden, both sa Saudi royal family ug sa US with their allies. Ato nga time, haram unta ang pagsulod sa mga infidel troops sa dar al Islam, pero gipangitaan jud paagi sa house of Saud nga ma issuehan ug fatwa nga mag allow nga makasulod mga kano & allies, so samot ulbo kaspa ni bin Laden. Mao na sa iyang mind, walaon nang mga royal family, dapat ang mga Muslims mobalik sa time nga naay Islamic caliphate ruled by one supreme leader, the caliph. He grew increasingly critical of the Saudi royal family, mao na he was banished from Saudi and stripped of his citizenship. He went to live in Sudan where he planned and plotted, and Al Qaeda became more and more powerful.
    Mao na ang start sa modern-day global jihad.
    So @marius, mao na goal sa mga jihadists. Their goal and their mission is just ONE thing and ONE thing only: to establish a global Islamic caliphate. In a perfect world, all infidels are dead, the whole world worships Allah and ruled by one leader only, the caliph.

    They will not stop until they accomplish this mission.
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    @marius, ikaw ba nagpareha ra jud mong @flanker nga despite evidence to the contrary, convinced jud mo nga America ang daotan. How do you know that? Based ra pud sa imong mga nabasahan? Unya mag conclude dayon ka? Ang dapat basehan, kanang mga actions sa tawo. You are determined to convince yourself that there's some sort of diabolical conspiracy going on. Despite all these rapes, murders, massacres going on...you can't admit that there's something wrong with Islam. You even defend this human rights disaster that is Sharia. Despite mountains of evidence against these Islamic jihadists and almost none against America, convinced jud ka nga what you think is the truth. Do you know that there are people who still believe that the earth is flat, despite evidence to the contrary?
    Hinuon, opinion man na nimo. Kaning ato dire, puros ra man ni mga opinions. For all we know, we're all puppets and we are really all controlled by Aliens.
    Na surprised lang ko nimo kay you're an atheist, I would have thought you'd be more objective in your assumptions. Gather the evidence, read the data and make the most sensible, objective and unbiased conclusion. Evidence-based theory, simple ra man unta. But you downplay evidence that goes against your opinion and create stories out of thin air bisan walay ebidensya. Kana lang daan opinion nimo nga puppet si bin Laden kay wala gipakita iyang body/face pagkamatay, wala man kay ebidensya nga puppet siya, or there's some sort of sinister conspiracy going on. The simplest explanation is most often the correct one. Pero mangita jud ka complicated, despite lack of evidence. Kana lang daan pangitaan jud nimo excuses and justification ang Sharia, an atheist would look at evidence and realize there's no justification for it. Absolutely indefensible.
    For all intents and purposes, you're a Muslim. You're not an unbiased atheist, chika ra na nimo nga atheist ka. So from now on, I shall remember that whatever you say, it's from the point of view of a Muslim. That makes all the difference, kay mas makasabot nako nimo when you say the things you say. It will make more sense to me na. Even your opinions towards America, it makes more sense when it's from a Muslim point of view versus an atheist point of view.

    With regards to Pres Trump, he has more chutzpah and brains than dumb Obama. Even his handling of the Middle East and muslim situation in his first 2 weeks shows that he has more common sense than clueless Obama. He has the support of the people, bisan opposite kaayo gipang report sa news. What can you expect from liberal media? Pareha ra gud na ni DU30 nga bias kaayo mga news sa iyaha.
    He has said that what is happening in Europe right now, he will not let it happen to the US. And so far, his actions support that. So naka uyon ko sa iyang pamaagi so far.

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    Ikaw wala kasabot sa akong point @marius, Sharia Law is BAD. It's an oppressive law. It should be eliminated. Mao na akong point. Dili lang sa katong gi rape. Kana lang gani imong giingon nga justifiable kulatahon ang asawa, IF THEY COMMIT A MISTAKE. Only a Muslim can defend Sharia Law. Bisan asa ta mag abot, any person who values freedom and human dignity, knows that Sharia Law is WRONG. It is BAD. You say you're an atheist, pero your word betray you.

    Ikaw ang gullible kay na brainwash kas mga Wahhabi dinha sa Saudi. Feel nimo atheist ka pero muslim naman diay ka thru and thru. So what kung wala nakita ang nawong ni bin Laden? Ang focus ani, is the bigger problem. The evil that is perpetrated by MUSLIM terrorists ALL OVER THE WORLD. Whether Al-Shabaab in Somalia, Boko Haram in Nigeria, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jamaa Islamiya, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Abu Sayyaf. They're all over the world, Asia, Africa, America...they come from different cultures, have different skin colors, speak different languages...but they have ONE common denominator. They're ALL MUSLIMS. And how do I know that? Because every time they murder, every time they bomb a place, every time they cut someone's head off, they SHOUT, "Insha Allah! Allahu Akbar!". Mao na ang tinuod nga ebidensya @marius. Dili nang imong theory theory diha tungod anang mga picture. You're convinced of a conspiracy when there's none.
    You hate America not because you're an atheist who has come to that conclusion by way of objective analysis. You hate America because you're a Muslim who's defending your religion.
    Ug ngano man war-mongering man ang America?
    Who started the First World War? Who started the Second World War? Who started the Gulf War? America ba? You should hate your King Fahd too because he was the one who invited America to come defend your Holy Land.

    Oh kani ako ning ibutang dire, kani tanan sala ni sa America.

    ~In 2004, 1200 students were taken hostage by jihadists in Beslan, Russia. Of these, 385 civilians perished, including 168
    schoolchildren murdered at point-blank range.

    ~ In 2014, in Peshawar, Pakistan, seven gunmen affiliated with the Taliban mowed down 141 people, including 132 schoolchildren.

    ~ Also in 2014 and into 2015, in Nigeria, Boko Haram terrorists have been massacring innocent civilians by the thousands, including an incident, reported in the news as these words were being typed, where the terrorists disguised themselves as preachers and shot and killed at least 24 non-Muslims.
    ~ In 2015, in Mosul, Iraq, ISIS members executed a group of teenage boys, apparently for the crime of watching Iraq’s national soccer team on television.

    Kana tanan @marius sala na sa America. Kay puppet na sila tanan.

    Kahibaw nako unsay sunod nga theory nimo: kanang tanan nga mga terrorists, puppets na sa America kay gusto jud sa America daoton ang pangalan sa imong relihiyon nga Islam. Basin maka produce ka ug evidence to prove that.

    Balik na pud ta Sharia. Ok ra nimo that a woman can be stoned to death for "adultery"? Ok ra nimo patyon ang tawo just because he's gay? Ok ra nimo kulatahon ang asawa kung mo disobey sa bana? Ok ra nimo walay freedom of religion? Ok ra nimo dili ka katan.aw movies kay walay sinehan diha? Ok ra nimo you can't sing in public? Ok ra nimo nga ang tawo nga gusto mobiya sa Islam, ok ra mga patyon for apostasy?

    Kung OK ra na tanan nimo...then you just might be a Muslim.

    Kung hate nimo ang America, ok ra pud because Muslims hate everyone and everything. Muslims hate Jews. Muslims hate Christians. Muslims hate Atheists. Muslims basically hate anyone who doesn't believe in Allah and your pedophile prophet, Mohammad. Also, Muslims hate everything. Muslims even hate other Muslims! The Sunnis hate the Shias, the Shias hate the Sunnis.
    Muslims hate freedom. That's why they like TOTALITARIAN regimes with the oppressive Sharia Law, so they can control how people think and feel. They tell a woman how she should dress (you must wear the niqab!), they tell a woman how to act (oh you must not talk to men in public!). They hate art, they hate music, they hate movies. They hate everything...well, everything besides jihad and raping women, apparently. They love that.

    When your religion takes away all your freedoms, all you have left is hate and s3x. War and Rape.

    Yeah, America is a war-mongerer and Islam is a religion of peace. Really, it is. It's all about peace and love.


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    @marius, who invaded who in the first place? If Saddam didn't invade Kuwait in the first place, mahitabo ba ni tanan? Oh but no, Saddam was a good man and America was wrong to invade his country and kill him. Oh yeah, America is a war mongerer but who does your King Fahd call at the first sign of trouble? America. Yup, America is bad but when you need help, you rely on the country you hate.

    Ning basa ko sa imong link oi, Taliban man naka benefit anang imong opium. Besides there are a lot more desirable countries to benefit from than Afghanistan.

    If America is as bad as you think, it can invade and conquer any country that it wants. It has the force and the military capability to do so.

    "On the contrary, the United States has often come to the aid of Muslims and Muslim nations. Look at the liberation of Kuwait from Saddam Hussein’s invasion in the first Gulf War in 1991. Look at how the United States fought back the attempted genocide of Bosnian Muslims by the Serbians later in the 1990s. Look at how American forces chased the Taliban out of Afghanistan and removed Saddam Hussein from Iraq, thereby freeing innocent Muslims from murderous rulers. Can anyone not admit that despite the flaws in all of those efforts, millions of Muslim lives have been saved by actions of the U.S. military?"

    America believes in a human being's unalienable right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

    Meanwhile Islam believes that "muslims should declare war on the infidels until there's no God other than Allah and no other prophet than Mohammad".

    America is a war-mongerer. And Islam is a religion of peace.

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    Ug nganong hate man nimo ang America? Tungod kay motabang ang America sa iyang allies? Vietnam War, Korean War...gitabangan man sa US ang iyang mga Allies. That's what Allies do for each other. Mao btaw na gibuhat karon sa Syria ug sa Russia, tinabangay sila for their ally. Unsa man nakadaotan ana? That's what Russia does, that's what China does, that's North Korea does. Unya ang America Maoy war mongering? Kung molaban ang America sa iyang allies, mag lagot ka kay mag apil2x bisan walay labot. Unya kung naa pud gubat nga dili moapil ang America, maglagot pud ka kay "not the world's police" man kaha. Ano ba talaga Kuya? Of course, America's primary interest is protecting America. Bisan kinsa naman cguro, Saudi's interest is Saudi Arabia. Ug wala ka nag wonder nganong kanang Egypt, kanang Jordan...maayo na sila nga countries? Because Egypt's El-Zizi advocates separation of state and religion, Jordan's King believes in "moderate" Islam. Mao btaw na gikalagotan na sila kay ang gusto sa mga muslim, caliphate. No separation of mosque and State, Sharia Law is the rightful law of the land, because it is DIVINE Law. Look at the progressive muslim countries, headed by the royal families, emirs, presidents, prime ministers...pero once ang mo lead kanang mga religious fanatics like your muslim clerics, imams, mullahs...perte kagubot. Tan.awa gud na ang Iran.
    Niingon baya ka sa previous statement nimo nga ang mga terrorists puppets ra na sila tanan sa America. Dili nalang nako e.quote kay kapoyan ko ana.
    Maayo gani ang America motabang sa iyang allies, kanang inyong Islam diha, tinuod naa mo anang charity kunohay ninyo nga zakah, pero charity towards OTHER MUSLIMS. Ang America walay pili, motabang bisan muslim, hudeo, Christiano etc
    Ug nganong hate nimo ang America, do you hate democracy? In a gender equality survey, pinaka iliwit mga Muslim countries in terms of women being treated fairly and equally. In Iran, Saudi, uban nga Muslim countries, a woman is worth only 1/2 of a man. Laliman ka ana. Ka unfair ana ah. And for your info, every time America went to war, it is to fight against oppressive ideologies, Nazism, Communism, Islam...where do you think the world would be now kung si Hitler nakadaog sa gubat?
    Tell me, which is better, a democratic governtment or a Sharia-based one?
    Pero wala baya ko nasuko @marius hehehe kay nakasabot baya ko nimo. In Saudi baya, you cannot criticize the government, Islam or the royal family. Hehehe and I'm sure gina monitor na imong Internet dinha sa secret police, so kasabot ra ko nganong dili ka maka criticize diha hehehe, maputlan man ka ulo.
    Unya gi declare baya sa inyong King diha nga ang mga atheists kay terrorists. Hehehe kasabot ra ko nimo baya. Unya dili pud ka maka march march or mag protest diha, kay dili man allowed. So kung naa kay dissatisfaction sa governtment, aw iluom nalang nimo.
    At least ang America, bisan sa imong tan-aw daotan, puede man ko mokanta sa dalan dire, puede pud ko tan-aw sine, unya tan.aw pud concert, the best of all, puede ko mag sul.ob unsa akong gusto! Unya dili pud sala nga daghan ko mga male friends dire, hehehe enjoy gani kaayo. Puede pud ko mag protest2x dire kung feel nako. Hehehe, daghan gani kaayo mga Muslims dire ga protest with matching hijab, enjoy kaayo sila kay dili man sila maka openly protest ug ingon ana sa ilang country nga gigikanan. Nice baya oi, ang "Great Satan" America hehehe

    So, which is better @marius, a democratic government or a Sharia-based government? What do you think?

    So ok ra @marius nga hate nimo America hihihi kasabot ra ko. Kanang secret police nga nag monitor sa internet nimo diha, nalipay to sila nakabasa nga hate nimo ang America. Dili man ka maka saway sa King, dili pud ka maka saway ni Allah or ni Mohammad kay basin dakpon ka diha or maputlan ba kaha kag ulo, so ok nalang na pahimungti ang America para mapagawas nimo imong frustrations nganong dili ka maka express sa imong true feelings diha. Ako dire kay puede ko moingon dire nga tambaloslos si Trump, so dili ra kaayo ko frustrated. Nice man diay nang naay freedom of speech, freedom of religion noh?

    So next time nga makig war ang America ug country nga walay Human Rights Violations, pahibaw-a unya ko ha. Kay so far, murag wala pa koy nahibaw-an. Dili nang countries nga komunista ha or muslim ha, kay kanang mga nasura, grabe jud human rights violations diha, as determined by human rights commissions all over the world.

    So, which is better @marius, a democratic government or a Sharia-based government?

    That is a trick question.

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    Bitaw @marius, na curious na pud ko ron sa Bosnian War, kay mga Muslims gihapon involved. Daghan kaayo gubot, puros Muslims involved. Naa kay ma suggest nga book? Ayaw nang mga link link sa internet ha kay walay klaro na, tabla ra na wikipedia. Akong studyhan ning mga gubot sa kalibutan nga involved ang mga Muslims. So far daghan man kaayo...Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia, Egypt, Thailand, Bangladesh...ambot oi, too many to mention nga involved ang mga Muslims. Pero bisan sa kadaghan na gubot kay majority baya sa Muslims kay peace-loving. Hehe. Bisan gani kanang ka gubot sa pilipinas tungod sa MILF, Abu Sayyaf...dili man tungod kay muslim nang mga tawhana, tungod man kay Moro na sila. Lahi ra man nang Moro sa Muslim. Hehe

    Tungod diay to sa oil nganong gi invade sa America ang Iraq? Unya nganong gibiyaan man sa America ang Iraq after nag establish ug government didto through a democratic process. Kung gasolina jud tuyo sa America didto sa Iraq, ngano kaha wala man sila nagtukod didto ug American Republic of Iraq? Tambaloslos man diay ning mga Amerkano, nganong gibuhian pa man jud ang Iraq? Grabe jud ning America, war mongering jud kaayo. Sagdi lang, basin diay mo invade na pud sila lain country nga mas daghan pa oil reserves, huwat huwaton lang nato unsay next move aning war-mongering America.
    @marius, could it be that America thought that Saddam would align with bin Laden, based on intel about their secret meetings? Saddam wanted to destroy America. bin Laden, wanted to destroy America, no doubt, 9/11 pa lang daan, obvious that he wanted to blow up the entire country. Saddam, based on his history, had the capability. Could it be that their meetings are about plotting to destroy the U.S.? Oh no, maybe dili...maybe ilang meeting is chika2x ra sila, beso2x...maybe they wanted to exchange recipes for beef stew. Quite possible.

    dorothea: nganong naa man ni mga infidels, parte sa mga Christians ug Jews dire sa Koran...
    marius : naay explanation ana...peace jud buot pasabot ana coz gi treat namo mga Christians as brothers
    dorothea: ahhh, mao ba? *rolls eyes*

    dorothea: kaning gi rape sa Saudi, ngano man ni?
    marius: ay sala man to niya nganong na rape siya...
    dorothea: ahhh, mao ba? *rolls eyes again*

    dorothea: unya kaning asawa nga puede ra kulatahon sa bana, unsa man ni?
    marius: ah, unya ra man na kulatahon "if they commit a mistake"
    dorothea: ahh...mao ba? *rolls eye to the left then to the right*

    dorothea: unya kaning mga jihadists ba ngano man ni sila cge Allahu Akbar, All Glory to Allah man cge nila i.singgit...
    marius: ay walay connection ilang pagka muslim sa ilang pagka terorista, kay peaceful religion man nang Islam...
    dorothea: ahhh, okay...mao ba? *rolls eyes up and down*

    dorothea: unya kaning mga terorista kung mang recruit ug mag train lagi sila ug mga bag-ong terorista, kay ila lagi basis ang Quran ug teachings ni Mohammad?
    marius: ay kanang part sa Quran nga ingon mga declare declare ug war, gi misinterpret ra na nila. Ang explanation jud ana kung e.interpret ang Quran, buot pasabot ana...Love One Another.

    dorothea: unya kaning kuan...ngano man ni...
    marius: aguy ka samok ba nimo! Daghan kaayo pangutana! Dig deeper!
    dorothea: pero...pero...pero...
    marius: samoka jud nimo oi! You want the truth? Gusto kas tinuod? The truth is......
    bin Laden is alive!
    and I hate America!
    dorothea: ahh...ok...mao ba? (cannot roll her eyes anymore kay nalibat na)

    Last edited by Dorothea; 02-13-2017 at 05:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Iran -- the mullahs of Iran hate western ideology because it's in direct contrast to what they've established, a theocratic Islamic regime.
    Iraq and Syria -- stronghold of ISIS, HQ of the Islamic caliphate
    Libya -- another country with major ISIS presence
    Sudan -- base of Al Qaeda operations under bin Laden for a number of years and where Al Qaeda presence is still strong
    Yemen -- another Al Qaeda stronghold
    Somalia -- Al-Shabaab's base of operations, linked to Al Qaeda and ISIS

    Unya sa akong pagsabot, the govts of Pakistan, KSA, Egypt and the UAE (along with Jordan) are actually conducting aggressive campaigns against the Jihadists, and the Jihadists hate them just as much as they hate the infidel West, calling them apostates for even considering a "working relationship" with the US...and of course, not aligning themselves with ISIS in their holy war.
    But there have been no documented terror cells that have infiltrated the U.S. from these countries (except the two terrorist that were immediately caught after they got through the sceen). Obama added these countries in 2013 because of the Arab Spring, and because two known insurgents from Iraq bypassed the screening. So he had to temporarily ban Visa waivers from these countries to fix the screening process from these countries. Trump literally had no intel to support a FULL ban from these countries. He just put it up to appease his supporters.

    If you want someone to blame for Al Qaeda, look at the Sauds. Those guys are dirty, and have been a major reason for the instability of the region by interfering with its neighbors covertly and incovertly.

    People have this misconception that Islam is the enemy. It isn't. It's this misconception that feeds Islamic radicals their fodder to turn other Muslims into extremists.

    Why is there Muslim extremists? Because they help destabilize the region. And a lot of powers IN and OUT of the Middle East are benefiting from a destabilized Mid-East.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Hinuon @marius sayop jud to sa mga Amerkano nganong gipatay pa jud nila Saddam. Abi man gud nila nga kung mawala si Saddam unya mag install ug democratic government, mo improve ang Iraq. One more democratic country, one more win for the USA. Ning improve na baya to sitwasyon sa Iraq unta but when US troops left in 2011 per Obama's orders, didto na dayon sugod na kaayo gubot. It left a "power vacuum" in Iraq and everyone wanted that power, the Shias supported by Iran. Then kadtong mga soldiers ni Saddam ug members sa iyang cabinet nga gusto mobalik sa ilang pagka powerful, then Al Qaeda, then ISIS. Naive kaayo ang US kay abi sa US nga everyone would embrace democracy with open arms, but with a country like Iraq, the people have been ruled with brutality for so long, they didn't know what the concept of democracy is. They certainly weren't strong enough to fight for it, democracy. Mao na, perteng bahakhak sa ISIS.
    Also since ni-abot ta sa topic about ISIS, virtually all blame goes to Bush and the dumb GOP for manufacturing an illegal war to oust Saddam, who was basically the necessary evil in that part of the world (and yes, I was there during the occupation). Once they got rid of him, that part of the world was subject to "Western" type of governance... Which really didn't repress the elements that became ISIS.

    Obama literally had no choice but to draw down the military because the withdrawal was agreed during Bush's term. That's why I cringe when republicans say it was Obama's fault that ISIS became what it is. It was already an agreement between the U.S. and another sovereign country (Status of Forces agreement in 200 signed by the outgoing Bush.

    Trump? He's exactly the type of president that Islamic radicals want to swell their ranks. These guys feed young Muslims with fear and hate for the west, and with Trump, they don't even have to manipulate anything. Everything is coming straight out of the horses' mouth.

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    America or any country will protect its interest to the best of its ability, even if its in the expense of other nations interest. Its not good nor bad, it just what it is. That is true no matter whos their president. End of discussion, close this thread. hihihihi

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