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  1. #761

    Quote Originally Posted by obelisk View Post
    It stops being an allegation if there is Proof. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence, and physical evidence. Hence, in Hitler's case, documentary, testimony and physical evidence are seen. Hence, dili na dyod allegation.
    No sir, it stops being an allegation when a court with jurisdiction rules on it. Also, there is no way Hitler can defend himself since he is dead. Therefore, it would be unfair on his part to charge him of such crimes. Therefore, it would forever remain an allegation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainRiku View Post
    Di jud mu give in..right.. its like blaming a 25 year old person from its birth to present..


    Well i would still believe this person base on economics,
    Ramon H. Myers | Hoover Institution (RIP though)
    than this oplok here
    Emmanuel S. de Dios | UP School of Economics
    No one is blaming him for ALL the problems man sir. (Atleast Im not)

    Im blaming him for all the acts he is guilty of and convicted of. That is only fair, right? Daghan man gud ngari ni.act as if wala siya'y sala and santo siya tungod lang kay walay ayo ang Aquino administration. Let's face it, silang duha ang walay ayo.

  2. #762
    Quote Originally Posted by Theko View Post
    No sir, it stops being an allegation when a court with jurisdiction rules on it. Also, there is no way Hitler can defend himself since he is dead. Therefore, it would be unfair on his part to charge him of such crimes. Therefore, it would forever remain an allegation.
    So, by your statement, it is unfair on Marcos part to charge him of such crimes since he has no way to defend himself.

  3. #763
    Quote Originally Posted by obelisk View Post
    So, by your statement, it is unfair on Marcos part to charge him of such crimes since he has no way to defend himself.
    Yes, just like Hitler. Sakto?

  4. #764
    Quote Originally Posted by Theko View Post
    No sir, it stops being an allegation when a court with jurisdiction rules on it. Also, there is no way Hitler can defend himself since he is dead. Therefore, it would be unfair on his part to charge him of such crimes. Therefore, it would forever remain an allegation.

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    No one is blaming him for ALL the problems man sir. (Atleast Im not)

    Im blaming him for all the acts he is guilty of and convicted of. That is only fair, right? Daghan man gud ngari ni.act as if wala siya'y sala and santo siya tungod lang kay walay ayo ang Aquino administration. Let's face it, silang duha ang walay ayo.
    Like i say:
    If you are talking of philippine economy on Marcos Era..dli ra siya ang ng padagan ato..pero inyo gi blame siya ra...haha
    Ongping, Sicat ug si Virata who was making the power plays. Their have been lots of improvements and downs..

    If you are talking about Martial Law..violence was not in the academic meaning of such law..but still you keep blaming the dead president.
    Camp Crame, Aguinaldo naa didto mga abusadong militar,police naay mga listahan dd2..pasakae sila ug EJK. naa pa sila Ramos, Enrile, Honasan, PMA class of 71

  5. #765
    Quote Originally Posted by RainRiku View Post
    Like i say:
    If you are talking of philippine economy on Marcos Era..dli ra siya ang ng padagan ato..pero inyo gi blame siya ra...haha
    Ongping, Sicat ug si Virata who was making the power plays..

    If you are talking about Martial Law..violence was not in the academic meaning of such law..
    Camp Crame, Aguinaldo naa didto mga abusadong militar. naa pa sila Ramos, Enrile, Honasan, PMA class of 71
    Kinsa may nag-ingun sir na siya ra ang gi.blame for the mess we are in? FYI, kana silang Virata et. al kay g.empower na ni Marcos. Ilang acts responsibility na ni Marcos.

  6. #766
    Quote Originally Posted by Theko View Post
    Yes, just like Hitler. Sakto?
    Yes. So by your statement, since unfair mn kaha sila icharge for crimes and they cannot defend themselves so all charges will need to be dropped.

    For Hitler, there is no need for anything since he himself has documentation and prolamation regarding his acts. Whereas Marcos has none as far as I know.

  7. #767
    Quote Originally Posted by Theko View Post
    Kinsa may nag-ingun sir na siya ra ang gi.blame for the mess we are in? FYI, kana silang Virata et. al kay g.empower na ni Marcos. Ilang acts responsibility na ni Marcos.
    G.empower na ni Marcos, Ilang acts responsibility na ni Marcos in Martial Law era? i doubt it..

    Marcos’ mistake was leaving the task of managing the economy to Virata and his cronies.

    Cesar Virata and technocrats, not Marcos, to blame for economic spiral during Martial Law— Tiglao - Politiko

    "As proof that Marcos didn’t handle the reins of the economy, Tiglao said no less Sicat wrote in his book about Virata that: “The technocrats who occupied high positions under the Marcos administration found themselves in charge of major economic policy… Now they were power wielders within the government."

  8. #768
    Quote Originally Posted by Theko View Post
    General reasoning sa mga pro-Marcos sir:

    Aquinos were/are evil and inutil, therefore it can only follow that the Marcoses are saints and heroes. If you believe otherwise, you are a yellow zombie/drug addict/bayaran.
    hahaha,
    ayaw na lang na ug tubayi,
    no wonder daghang gahimo ug Ginoo ni Kim Jong Un,
    naa man gani diay tay dictator defender dire.

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    bury him already!!

    aron matapos na ni nga issue, aron ma close na ni nga thread, aron move-on ng mga tawo, aron mag.focus ng gobyerno sa pagpalambo sa atong nasod...amen
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  10. #770
    Naai gitawag na 'command responsibility' ang matag presidente sa na nagkupot sa atong nasod. Kung unsay sayop sa military og pulisya, iyaha nang responsibilidad bisan pa og inosente siya og wala'y pirma niya. Sa ka taas sa panahon, 30 years ang ni-agi, ni asenso na lang atong mga silinganlang nasod, wa pa gihapon gi-tagad ning mga kaso pag martial law. Kana si Fidel Ramos usa pud na siya sa mga boang sa panahon ni Marcos, dapat imbestigahan pud na siya. Kung ang akong lolo, lola, og tiyo, nga buhi pa atong panahona og patay na karon, UYON kaayo sila aning pag lubong ni Marcos sa LNMB. Kanang mga bogo nga nag-rally sa Cebu nga dili uyon ani, mao na sila tong mga batang sip-onon sa una sa panahon ni Marcos og wa pa'y nasabtan sa ilang kahimtan sauna. Kasagaran diri sa Mingla kay pro-Marcos, pero ako wala ko'y paki-alam ana kay ilaha na didto sa mga tagalog na problima.

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