USA - The Land of the free?

[pepponeskie]

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USA land of the FREE? WROOOONG.

Germany ang LAND OF THE FREE karon.

refugees naay sustinto gikan sa gobirno.

mas maayo kung pamilyado pa jud kay dako2x ang sustinto.

suya kaayo ang mga locals kay dili manrabaho ang mga refugees. sigi lang dawat ug sustinto.

65% sa mga refugees kay 18 yrs old pataas nga mga laki. no read/no write pa jud ang mga kanahang dagko.

not only in Germany bai...also here in Norway. same situation.

[kevinworld]

America kai cge ra panudlo. Panamin diha Obama. Mas itom paka sa pinoy.

[DEMONOCIETY]

this will no longer be called a land of free kung c trump na jud ang pres. ky taas baya tag number sa mga TNT didto they should be ready for the deportation inig sud ni trump

[brownie]

this will no longer be called a land of free kung c trump na jud ang pres. ky taas baya tag number sa mga TNT didto they should be ready for the deportation inig sud ni trump

Apil tong mga casual employee nga pinoys hehe

[adminroot]

di na modaog si trump sa pinili-ay.

klaro na si hillary modaog.

tuloy ang ligaya sa mga tnt nga pinoy gihapon.

[vern]

There are things in this thread that are completely different and do not belong in the same discussion.

First off, to determine if a country is as free as it claims to be, one must define what free is. Free in this case is not defined as completely free ... that would be anarchy. Is the United States the land of the free? I would like to know how people believe the US isn't free. It is free in many ways, but it is not free of the downfalls of man. There are individual prejudices and that is where the the issue of police brutality comes from. People like to overplay how police in the US just run around and kill minorities. That is simply not true. The fact that this comes to light is a practice of a free nation ... a free press ... and free speech. So again, what is the measure of freedom of a nation? That is up to you to decide. History tells us what makes a nation not free. Institutionalized prejudice and discrimination makes a nation not free. The US has had a lot of problems with this and continues to massage and tweak national policy to overcome this. But as America continues to have public discussion on what the federal government could do to give more opportunities despite the differences in people, the Philippines has decided that a heavy handed approach to law from on high is the solution to it's problems. The western world has figured out that this approach to drugs and violence is not an individual problem that can be dealt with without getting to the root of the problem ... poverty, opportunity, education ... the Philippines has decided that more force is the solution. Has the Philippines not learned from the disastrous and expensive US war on drugs? Has the Philippines not learned from Latin American countries whose violence has in the past gotten out of hand and has led to dictatorships? No the Philippines has not learned the lessons of others and would trade freedom for security.

Secondly, people talk about human rights violations as if the Philippines doesn't have one. It does. When justice is not dealt by the law and those in charge do not punish those who take justice into their own hands, that is a violation of human rights. It is convenient to say that ... hey these are bad people ... they deserve it. That is not how human rights works. Human rights protects those even if people don't think they deserve it. Human rights protects those who are marginalized. A nation's character is rooted in how it treats the lowest members of it's society. Saying ... Obama, don't point your finger at us when you have your own problems does not wash your hands of responsibility. Duterte and many Filipinos are proposing a child's argument and logical fallacy on why it is OK ... that no one can judge them because others do not know. Do you know who else spouted crap like that? Hussein, Slobodan Milošević, Pol Pot, Juvenal Habyarimana, Hitler, Kim Jong Il, Kim Jon Un ... the list continues. Those doing wrong never want to be criticized ... because others don't know.

[vern]

so what's the better solution then for our problem with drugs ??

You are on the Internet. You can find better solutions that have worked yourself. It has been demonstrated many times.

that scenario would only be found in novels. in the real world, it's very difficult to balance out everything.

Balance what out? Justice or not justice? How about justice for everyone? The law is clear, murder is not legal. International human rights laws are clear. It is very easy ... you follow the letter of the law. There is no balancing required if the law is followed.

this would be good comparison. how about a perfect stranger comes to your house and tells you on how to discipline your kids and how you should use your electricity and what food you should eat. how will you feel ??

This comparison is so stupid that I don't even know why I even bother replying. But today is your lucky day, I'm going to indulge you. The Philippines does not live in isolation. It is one of many nations and it has agreed to international laws and practices. If you want to do what you want, you get go on your own. Find new allies. Cozy up to North Korea ... they will not care about how you treat your people. If you do not like criticism even from your own people, then don't claim to be a democracy. Do not claim to be free. If you do not like how the US exerts it's influence, cut ties ... and see how you fare with other economic and military allies. Take your chance with China. See how many carrier strike groups Europe has. You have options.

Comparing food choice with basic human rights is laughable. This is the problem with armchair dictators ... you criticize the lifestyle of people less well off than you behind the comfort of your screen, then wonder why there is strife. There are people who are guilty. Some of them are well off, but the vast majority are not ... and they deserve due process and workable societal policy as you hopefully would if you ever made a mistake. This "war" that Duterte has declared will only happen with the blood of innocents. Look at Columbia. Look at Venezuela. Look at Mexico. Get out of your isolated Filipino mentality and learn from countries who have already been there. But hey, the Philippines doesn't like to be told what it is doing wrong right? Listening to others would be insane.

[vern]

aaahhh superiority complex at it's best.

If you do not like how the US exerts it's influence, cut ties

that's what the US has been doing all along. i could just see iraq and applaud them for the very "successful influence" they made to iraq.

This is not superiority complex. This is how the world works. Stronger countries exert influence on the weak. I did not say anything about the the correctness of that influence, just that it exists. If you do not like how the world works, the feel free to bitch and moan about it. That doesn't change things. But let's not talk about treaties that the Philippines itself has signed.

oh yes, america has followed the law by the letter .... i guess those videos posted on youtube about police brutality in the US are all a hoax. The wronged must be protected - that is what you said about human rights. oh yes, human rights is indeed very evident in america.

Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said anything about how well America has followed the law, only that laws need to be followed to the letter. I have already talked about police brutality and I have acknowledged it, yet you come back to it ... only it. You are clueless to what human rights means. Police brutality is individual prejudice ... human rights is institutionalized abuse. Learn the difference before I get all superiority complex on you. Again, if you think that the actions of other countries excuses your own actions, then you live in a wonderland. Even if the United States openly sanctioned murder on the streets ... your wrongs are your own.

yeah, i hear this a lot .... and seen it a lot from people who criticize and then when asked about what to do, they give the responsibility to me to find out

but hey, who am i too argue with you, an american citizen, im "only" a filipino with a filipino mentality ....

Wow.
https://www.google.com/search?q=brok...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=colo...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=mexi...utf-8&oe=utf-8
How to stop the drug wars | The Economist
https://www.google.com/search?q=grow...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Are you lazy? Do you want me to educate you? How much are you willing to pay for this instruction? When you argue a point on the internet or in real life, it is polite to actually be well read about the subject you are talking about. That is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE. This is not 4Chan. If you cannot argue your point confident in the fact that you have some base knowledge and are willing to learn by yourself, then take your crap somewhere else. I do not try to insult you because you are Filipino, you just feel insulted because you are not well read. There are well read Filipinos at iSTORYA who can form an argument ... but you are not one of them. Do not insult them by pretending to speak for them.

[Theko]

This is not superiority complex. This is how the world works. Stronger countries exert influence on the weak. I did not say anything about the the correctness of that influence, just that it exists. If you do not like how the world works, the feel free to bitch and moan about it. That doesn't change things. But let's not talk about treaties that the Philippines itself has signed.



Do not put words in my mouth. I have never said anything about how well America has followed the law, only that laws need to be followed to the letter. I have already talked about police brutality and I have acknowledged it, yet you come back to it ... only it. You are clueless to what human rights means. Police brutality is individual prejudice ... human rights is institutionalized abuse. Learn the difference before I get all superiority complex on you. Again, if you think that the actions of other countries excuses your own actions, then you live in a wonderland. Even if the United States openly sanctioned murder on the streets ... your wrongs are your own.



Wow.
https://www.google.com/search?q=brok...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=colo...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=mexi...utf-8&oe=utf-8
How to stop the drug wars | The Economist
https://www.google.com/search?q=grow...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Are you lazy? Do you want me to educate you? How much are you willing to pay for this instruction? When you argue a point on the internet or in real life, it is polite to actually be well read about the subject you are talking about. That is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE. This is not 4Chan. If you cannot argue your point confident in the fact that you have some base knowledge and are willing to learn by yourself, then take your crap somewhere else. I do not try to insult you because you are Filipino, you just feel insulted because you are not well read. There are well read Filipinos at iSTORYA who can form an argument ... but you are not one of them. Do not insult them by pretending to speak for them.

Useless to argue here sir. Hehe people here do not believe the phrase "history repeats itself" and tend to think that the Philippines is exempted from slipping on the slippery slope we are treading on, like what happened with other nations.

[bungot25]

U.S. is not free.

You have to pay taxes all the time.

same in the philippines, you still have to pay taxes..