Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

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dili lagi took a shower ang gigamit. asa man jud atong basis? KJV or unsa? ngano ipugos man jud nimo ang shower nga ang shower branch rana while kung moingon kang naligo mao nay general term.

kill maoy general term ngano gusto man jud nimo murder? para mohaom sa imogn interpretation? ngano gusto man kas lain translation nga naa may mas nag-una mao ng KJV ug matud ninyo mas prefer mo ana ug ang nasulat sa KJV is KILL dili murder pero ngano ipugos jud ang muder

ingnang adto sa original language ang basis sa interpretation. Original language d.i nang English? Nganong moningon man ka nga gipamugos? nagbasa kas previous post nga sa original ang meaning kay murder o wa ka kasabot ana storyaa?

[slabdans]

ingnang adto sa original language ang basis sa interpretation. Original language d.i nang English? Nganong moningon man ka nga gipamugos? nagbasa kas previous post nga sa original ang meaning kay murder o wa ka kasabot ana storyaa?

Original language? mao man bitaw nga nangayo ko ninyo kung unsa ang insaktong translation nga basihan nato sa insaktong interpretation? unsa man jud ang ang saktong interpretation gikan sa original manuscript? asa man jud mo prefer? ingon mo KJV karon naay KJV ang gisulat KILL pero ngano mas ganahan mo sa lain nga version? question lang unsay nakalahi sa KJV ug lain nga bersion nga mas ganahan man mo ngadto?

moingon nasad ka original meaning murder? asa man ang orinal meaning imong gi ingon? kanang translated interpretation sa lain version? mao nay pasabot nimo sa original meaning? mag sure ta

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Original language? mao man bitaw nga nangayo ko ninyo kung unsa ang insaktong translation nga basihan nato sa insaktong interpretation? unsa man jud ang ang saktong interpretation gikan sa original manuscript? asa man jud mo prefer? ingon mo KJV karon naay KJV ang gisulat KILL pero ngano mas ganahan mo sa lain nga version? question lang unsay nakalahi sa KJV ug lain nga bersion nga mas ganahan man mo ngadto?

moingon nasad ka original meaning murder? asa man ang orinal meaning imong gi ingon? kanang translated interpretation sa lain version? mao nay pasabot nimo sa original meaning? mag sure ta

Wala ko niingon na KJV ha.. lain to.. personally di ko mo prefer ug KJV kay nosebleed kaayo.. arang2 kun NKJV pero ESV ako personal choice kon mag study ko.. Preference na man na.. doesn't matter unsa imo preference.. taste na man gud na sa tao.. Meaning is more important.. If nakuha nimo ang meaning then bisan unsa pa nang preference nimo sa translation you will arrive on the same conclusion kay nakuha nimo ang original meaning. Haay naku.. original language gani.. gikan gani sa manuscripts.. translated d.i nang original language? ikaw moy pagsure.. sabta sad nang imong gibasa be.. matigulang kog dali ani slabs

[Kenshiro]

Original language? mao man bitaw nga nangayo ko ninyo kung unsa ang insaktong translation nga basihan nato sa insaktong interpretation? unsa man jud ang ang saktong interpretation gikan sa original manuscript? asa man jud mo prefer? ingon mo KJV karon naay KJV ang gisulat KILL pero ngano mas ganahan mo sa lain nga version? question lang unsay nakalahi sa KJV ug lain nga bersion nga mas ganahan man mo ngadto?

moingon nasad ka original meaning murder? asa man ang orinal meaning imong gi ingon? kanang translated interpretation sa lain version? mao nay pasabot nimo sa original meaning? mag sure ta

Mao naa jud some terms na ambiguous meaning, like the term "kill" so mao we need to check the bible for the meaning by checking the whole context. Take note wala cya gi ilisan or gi alter but the meaning is ambiguous.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ambiguous

Open cya for interpretation but we have a standard which is the bible itself checking other references or verses and considering the biblical context of the ambiguous term.

Naay other version aside sa KJB nga corrupted versions like those that are based sa Latin Vulgate. Naay clear and obvious omissions and alterations sa scripture. Like the the ten commandments gi omit ang isa ka commandment about graven images, then gi split ang last commandment to 2 about covet the wife and neighbor.

Pero sa KJV mao ni pinaka closest sa original text as humanly possible the most faithful and reliable translation. Even ang mga terms na ambiguous wala gi ilisan og other words but gi follow jud ang terms and words sa the original.

[luci_morningstar]

this will also invalid to the claims of the scritpture as per Jhon...

Revelation 22:8-9 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Jhon, the prophets, and the Angels are the same servant of God as per the bible says so therefore your claims that angels and humans have different sets of laws?

Fellow servant does not necessarily have the same set of rules. Jesus said we are all his Brothers, does not mean we are equal to Jesus because he is the begotten son of God, we are Not.

Angels does not need salvation unlike us, salvation which is the Main message of the Bible. So how can the Law of the bible can be applied to angels that Dont go to the same process of salvation same as us?

Mayors and Congressman and a Senator and a police ALL servant of the Govt/people of the Phil BUT they have different LAWs applied to them based on their position.

[luci_morningstar]

wow. this thread is slowly going cucko .....

c'mon, where do you get these stories from in christianity, you can't even trace the very first source of it all and the old testament of your bible is one good adventure novel with moses as the hero ... and in islam, they have the quran but still it's full of fantasy stories ...

but in all these books - you religious people - have you get the message

The validation of truth does not Exclusively rely on the basis of its Origin. You cant argue that there is No God or whats written in the Bible are Not True just because we cannot trace it. there's a lot of avenue to verify truth.

And why you're always so quick to Label people who posted some ideas about Theism RELIGIOUS?
Is that a sign of lack of knowledge on what is Religious and what is a Theist?

[luci_morningstar]

exactly! OR they are all FALSE !!
because in "IMAGINATION" there is no limit ! And that is a PROVEN FACT..

Theres a limit in imagination. Our Imagination is Based on the amount of Data our brain is Capable of knowing. it is dependent on the information our brain has. And is constrained by experience. And since Science said that there are still areas, dimension in our universe WE DONT KNOW, so i dont think we can imagine that.... and its a FACT.

[RayGunz]

Theres a limit in imagination. Our Imagination is Based on the amount of Data our brain is Capable of knowing. it is dependent on the information our brain has. And is constrained by experience. And since Science said that there are still areas, dimension in our universe WE DONT KNOW, so i dont think we can imagine that.... and its a FACT.

wow.. your very own definition of imagination...

you better read and learn from a book called "dictionary"

[Kenshiro]

The Jewish nation was a symbol of the people of all ages who scorn the pleadings of Infinite Love. The
tears of Christ when He wept over Jerusalem were for the sins of all time. In the judgments pronounced
upon Israel, those who reject the reproofs and warnings of God's Holy Spirit, may read their own
condemnation.

In this generation there are many who are treading on the same ground as were the unbelieving Jews.
They have witnessed the manifestation of the power of God; the Holy Spirit has spoken to their hearts;
but they cling to their unbelief and resistance. God sends them warnings and reproof, but they are not
willing to confess their errors, and they reject His message and His messenger. The very means He uses
for their recovery becomes to them a stone of stumbling.

The prophets of God were hated by apostate Israel because through them their hidden sins were
brought to light. Ahab regarded Elijah as his enemy because the prophet was faithful to rebuke the
king's secret iniquities. So today the servant of Christ,the reprover of sin, meets with scorn and rebuffs.
Bible truth, the religion of Christ, struggles against a strong current of moral impurity. Prejudice is
even stronger in the hearts of men now than in Christ's day. Christ did not fulfill men's expectations;
His life was a rebuke to their sins, and they rejected Him. So now the truth of God's word does not
harmonize with men's practices and their natural inclination, and thousands reject its light. Men
prompted by Satan cast doubt upon God's word, and choose to exercise their independent judgment.
They choose darkness rather than light, but they do it at the peril of their
souls. Those who caviled at the words of Christ, found ever-increased cause for cavil, until they turned
from the Truth and the Life. So it is now. God does not propose to remove every objection which the
carnal heart may bring against His truth. To those who refuse the precious rays of light which would
illuminate the darkness, the mysteries of God's word remain such forever. From them the truth is
hidden. They walk blindly, and know not the ruin before them.

Christ overlooked the world and all ages from the height of Olivet; and His words are applicable to
every soul who slights the pleadings of divine mercy. Scorner of His love, He addresses you today. It is
"thou, even thou," who shouldest know the things that belong to thy peace. Christ is shedding bitter
tears for you, who have no tears to shed for yourself. Already that fatal hardness of heart which
destroyed the Pharisees is manifest in you. And every evidence of the grace of God, every ray of divine
light, is either melting and subduing the soul, or confirming it in hopeless impenitence.

[RayGunz]

The Jewish nation was a symbol of the people of all ages who scorn the pleadings of Infinite Love. The
tears of Christ when He wept over Jerusalem were for the sins of all time. In the judgments pronounced
upon Israel, those who reject the reproofs and warnings of God's Holy Spirit, may read their own
condemnation.

In this generation there are many who are treading on the same ground as were the unbelieving Jews.
They have witnessed the manifestation of the power of God; the Holy Spirit has spoken to their hearts;
but they cling to their unbelief and resistance. God sends them warnings and reproof, but they are not
willing to confess their errors, and they reject His message and His messenger. The very means He uses
for their recovery becomes to them a stone of stumbling.

The prophets of God were hated by apostate Israel because through them their hidden sins were
brought to light. Ahab regarded Elijah as his enemy because the prophet was faithful to rebuke the
king's secret iniquities. So today the servant of Christ,the reprover of sin, meets with scorn and rebuffs.
Bible truth, the religion of Christ, struggles against a strong current of moral impurity. Prejudice is
even stronger in the hearts of men now than in Christ's day. Christ did not fulfill men's expectations;
His life was a rebuke to their sins, and they rejected Him. So now the truth of God's word does not
harmonize with men's practices and their natural inclination, and thousands reject its light. Men
prompted by Satan cast doubt upon God's word, and choose to exercise their independent judgment.
They choose darkness rather than light, but they do it at the peril of their
souls. Those who caviled at the words of Christ, found ever-increased cause for cavil, until they turned
from the Truth and the Life. So it is now. God does not propose to remove every objection which the
carnal heart may bring against His truth. To those who refuse the precious rays of light which would
illuminate the darkness, the mysteries of God's word remain such forever. From them the truth is
hidden. They walk blindly, and know not the ruin before them.

Christ overlooked the world and all ages from the height of Olivet; and His words are applicable to
every soul who slights the pleadings of divine mercy. Scorner of His love, He addresses you today. It is
"thou, even thou," who shouldest know the things that belong to thy peace. Christ is shedding bitter
tears for you, who have no tears to shed for yourself. Already that fatal hardness of heart which
destroyed the Pharisees is manifest in you. And every evidence of the grace of God, every ray of divine
light, is either melting and subduing the soul, or confirming it in hopeless impenitence.

ohh boy, ohh boy... i'm sooo scared...

So, who its gonna be saving us?

A.) Faith
B.) God
C.) Superman
D.) None of the above