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    Quote Originally Posted by TWINSCAN View Post
    i doubt they have market in the US and Europe because these countries will require their product to be tested and should meet or exceed in Standardized Testing procedure like ASTM tests or any API industry standard testing before carrying their API trademark in selling their product to mass market. This is done particularly in the US to protect consumers from false claims of these manufacturers. I cannot find any website or technical support of this company considering that they are in the market for 12 or more years. I did not see either in BITOG forums about this product so it is a bit strange that a US company with very good product as you claim will not be discussed in BITOG. It looks like only filipinos embrace this product....very strange.....It is either that they come over here because we have no laws that required them to pass ASTM/API testing before mass produce their product compared to US and Europe that requires them and charge them for damages if their claim benefits is nowhere to quantify or verify....How did you come up with your 10,000 kms OCI did you send oil samples for UOA or you decide yourself without technical data on hand from UOA that your oil is good to go for 10,000 kms? I bet that if we run similar setup and you using conventional oil + pertua and mine using conventional oil + remote bypass filtration and at 5,000 kms we will send oil samples for UOA and i can guarantee you my oil samples is cleaner with better TBN, TAN than yours...A dirty oil with soot, sludge, carbon deposits, particles, contaminants is totally dirty and not good for your engine and no additives or treatment can help on that and the wisest thing to do is change the oil and filter....to make it clean again. Sorry bro i will not use product that does not pass standard testing to have peace of mind....
    I really do admire the knowledge you have about all these Standardized testings procedures and how you tend to make sure you get a product that actually is "Safe" to use. Surely you have not been disappointed with the products you use, and in fact sell yourself. And to be honest, I really think your products are indeed very good.However here's the thing. I speak in behalf of a "User's Perspective" and I balance the things advertised online with actual day to day usage. I don't think I would need UOA to tell me whether or not my oil is still good to go, my vehicles engine will give me that information. You go and ask any experienced mechanic, and they'll tell you the same thing. You see the reason why Big oil companies only advertise about "Improved Engine Performance, Less Oxidation, longer engine Life etc"... However the truth is, Fully Synthetic oil can in fact get you to at least 10,000kms as long as your engine is in good condition. They will not tell you that simply because they want you to change oil as often as possible. Imagine their sales cut by half if that's what they advertise. You see, the bigger the company the better they are at Marketing. You see, big oil companies want as much market share as possible that is why they decided to come up with these sorts of "Standardized Testing" and have the government approve of it. Of course, the Government approves of it since they are major Tax Contributors and yes, it will perfectly make sense to consumers making it seem like they are protected; however is it really for the consumers or for the good of these Big companies? This allows big oil companies to share the Market for themselves for many years to come. It gives smaller companies a harder time in trying to have their product approved for mass production. And most often than not, their products are rejected. All the more do these big companies Dislike oil additive manufacturers. Why? Simple, if their products get the chance to penetrate the market then these Big companies will lose a significant market share. Why will there still be a need to buy expensive synthetic oil if there is an alternate solution that gives you the same performance at a much lower rate? Of course, they will do everything and anything in their power to stop such a disruptive innovator. It all boils down to Business. They are the market leaders and they make it as hard as possible for smaller companies. That is why, it is in fact very fortunate for us to be able to experience more choices for us to explore on our own. Yes, I know it has its drawbacks as well because there are always those companies that claim and claim yet does not really provide you with anything good. However I tell you, Pertua does work and I can really tell you that based on my years of experience with the product. And you can read more about the product here if you wish...

    Testimonials - Pertua Marketing Corporation

    By the way, the reason why you can't find "Pertua" in Bitog is because they go under the brand "Tribotech" in the US.

    If you're happy with your products go ahead and enjoy them, but not a lot of people have the Budget for it, that is why I believe Pertua can be their alternate solution to a an overall better performing Engine. We just have to be a little more open to technological Advancements these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cakesbyche View Post
    I really do admire the knowledge you have about all these Standardized testings procedures and how you tend to make sure you get a product that actually is "Safe" to use. Surely you have not been disappointed with the products you use, and in fact sell yourself. And to be honest, I really think your products are indeed very good.However here's the thing. I speak in behalf of a "User's Perspective" and I balance the things advertised online with actual day to day usage. I don't think I would need UOA to tell me whether or not my oil is still good to go, my vehicles engine will give me that information. You go and ask any experienced mechanic, and they'll tell you the same thing. You see the reason why Big oil companies only advertise about "Improved Engine Performance, Less Oxidation, longer engine Life etc"... However the truth is, Fully Synthetic oil can in fact get you to at least 10,000kms as long as your engine is in good condition. They will not tell you that simply because they want you to change oil as often as possible. Imagine their sales cut by half if that's what they advertise. You see, the bigger the company the better they are at Marketing. You see, big oil companies want as much market share as possible that is why they decided to come up with these sorts of "Standardized Testing" and have the government approve of it. Of course, the Government approves of it since they are major Tax Contributors and yes, it will perfectly make sense to consumers making it seem like they are protected; however is it really for the consumers or for the good of these Big companies? This allows big oil companies to share the Market for themselves for many years to come. It gives smaller companies a harder time in trying to have their product approved for mass production. And most often than not, their products are rejected. All the more do these big companies Dislike oil additive manufacturers. Why? Simple, if their products get the chance to penetrate the market then these Big companies will lose a significant market share. Why will there still be a need to buy expensive synthetic oil if there is an alternate solution that gives you the same performance at a much lower rate? Of course, they will do everything and anything in their power to stop such a disruptive innovator. It all boils down to Business. They are the market leaders and they make it as hard as possible for smaller companies. That is why, it is in fact very fortunate for us to be able to experience more choices for us to explore on our own. Yes, I know it has its drawbacks as well because there are always those companies that claim and claim yet does not really provide you with anything good. However I tell you, Pertua does work and I can really tell you that based on my years of experience with the product. And you can read more about the product here if you wish...

    Testimonials - Pertua Marketing Corporation

    By the way, the reason why you can't find "Pertua" in Bitog is because they go under the brand "Tribotech" in the US.

    If you're happy with your products go ahead and enjoy them, but not a lot of people have the Budget for it, that is why I believe Pertua can be their alternate solution to a an overall better performing Engine. We just have to be a little more open to technological Advancements these days.
    Oh! its Tribotech i see, but why change the name to Pertua when come to Philippines? Something fishy! most companies will not rebrand when they try to go international market because "branding" is very important to them......unless you want to cover up something which we don't know.

    Proper and professional engine maintenance requires UOA, it may not be useful in your case but for companies running a fleet service like trucking, couriers, taxi companies, agri companies, shipping companies, etc. it is the most important thing and it is the bread and butter of their business and they need the UOA for cost savings and to maintain optimum engine performance of their fleet service. They need the data from UOA to verify if the soot, sludge, carbon deposits, particles, contaminants, etc. in their oil in the sump is still within or out of the allowable limits then they will take action base on that data.

    I want to correct your misconception, it is not the big oil companies that defines/requires the Standardized Testing but it is the Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) the likes of Ford, Cummins, GM, Chrsyler, Mercedes, Honda, Toyota, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, etcetera or call them ILSAC that defines the performance characteristics and the chemistry of the oil it will accept to use in their engines and then the American Petroleum Institute (API) who is like a policeman makes sure the oil sold by manufacturers displaying that label meets the requirement or definition. I want to make a point again that Standardized Testings are tightly defined and proven to be very Reliable and Repeatable and most aftermarket oil additives companies cannot pass this test. And again oil additives/treatments added in conventional oil cannot mimic the performance of group 4 & 5 synthetic oil in superior lubrication and performance boost especially in protecting turbochargers.

    Anyway, i cannot find any good review in BITOG and other forums about Tribotech. If it is really a good product it is impossible that it will not be a hot topic in BITOG...Good Luck and i hope for the success of Pertua in Philippines if they are really good....otherwise it is the same snake oil as the rest of aftermarket oil additives....
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    good discussion guys learned a lot.

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    para nako ang bardahl the best jud na

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    Ang Bardahl bai nindot na nga engine oil naa silay no oil run test sa cebu, pwedi nimo tan awn sa youtube.

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