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diesel oil additives is useless if you are using group IV and group V base stock synthetic. Synthetic oil like amsoil, royal purple, red line, motul, etc. are using group IV and group V base oil synthetic and manufacturers already blended them with 20 or more chemical additives package to do their job. unless you are using mineral oil base stock like conventional oil then u may need this additives like pertua, etc...in your oil.....but again if you are using group iv & v synthetic oil then it is no need of these additives because group iv & v synthetic oil has superior additives and well researched and tested in extreme conditions like racing circuits......

[cakesbyche]

diesel oil additives is useless if you are using group IV and group V base stock synthetic. Synthetic oil like amsoil, royal purple, red line, motul, etc. are using group IV and group V base oil synthetic and manufacturers already blended them with 20 or more chemical additives package to do their job. unless you are using mineral oil base stock like conventional oil then u may need this additives like pertua, etc...in your oil.....but again if you are using group iv & v synthetic oil then it is no need of these additives because group iv & v synthetic oil has superior additives and well researched and tested in extreme conditions like racing circuits......

Yes, what you are saying is very true. However the question is, how much would it cost the average consumer to be able to purchase these "Group 4 and 5 Synthetic Base oil"? The very reason why there are Oil Treatments like Pertua is to enable the average user the "Synthetic Performance" at a significantly lower cost.

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Yes, what you are saying is very true. However the question is, how much would it cost the average consumer to be able to purchase these "Group 4 and 5 Synthetic Base oi"? The very reason why there are Oil Treatments like Pertua is to enable the average user the "Synthetic Performance" at a significantly lower cost.

i bet it's almost the same cost bro if not that much, because there are group iv synthetic oil that cost 400 pesos per quart which is capable of 10,000 kms OCI if you pair it with heavy duty oil filter like Baldwin, Mann, etc. compare it with mineral base stock conventional oil that can only last 5,000 kms OCI plus you can gain more benefits in synthetic with less sludge, wax-free, less oxidation, less impurities, etc.....

[cakesbyche]

i bet it's almost the same cost bro if not that much, because there are group iv synthetic oil that cost 400 pesos per quart which is capable of 10,000 kms OCI if you pair it with heavy duty oil filter like Baldwin, Mann, etc. compare it with mineral base stock conventional oil that can only last 5,000 kms OCI plus you can gain more benefits in synthetic with less sludge, wax-free, less oxidation, less impurities, etc.....

Well Yes, I believe that the Cheapest "Fully Synthetic Oil" would cost at least 400/ Quart. Usually the average sedan uses at least 1 gallon of oil, which means for the consumer to use fully synthetic oil, he has to spend at least 1,600. However by using Pertua oil and metal treatment, which costs about 300/ can, he can now pair it up with basically any Mineral Oil available in the Market. Mineral oil is typically priced around 600-800/ gallon. In this way, he gets the same "Synthetic Performance" at a much cheaper rate. But do take note that this only works when using "Pertua Oil and Metal Treatment" I doubt if other brands of oil additives can claim the same thing as Pertua.

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Well Yes, I believe that the Cheapest "Fully Synthetic Oil" would cost at least 400/ Quart. Usually the average sedan uses at least 1 gallon of oil, which means for the consumer to use fully synthetic oil, he has to spend at least 1,600. However by using Pertua oil and metal treatment, which costs about 300/ can, he can now pair it up with basically any Mineral Oil available in the Market. Mineral oil is typically priced around 600-800/ gallon. In this way, he gets the same "Synthetic Performance" at a much cheaper rate. But do take note that this only works when using "Pertua Oil and Metal Treatment" I doubt if other brands of oil additives can claim the same thing as Pertua.

bro, i don't think adding a bottle of pertua engine treatment to your car u can get the same level of performance with group iv and group v synthetic oil. This aftermarket oil additives like pertua, duralube, fuelmax, zmax, etcetera has no match with the superior lubrication and performance boost with synthetic oil group iv & v. you can read in tsikot.com they have some negative comments about this product and one forumer (dvldoc) the "alcohol injection guru" who previously work with NASA discourage tsikoteers to use this aftermarket oil additives without MSDS or list of additives in their magic product. if i will be forced by someone to use an additive i would rather use liqui moly mos 2 oil additive it is scientifically proven to reduce friction rather than these aftermarket oil additives without proven scientific data. Since before there is always a tendency for this aftermarket oil additives industry to make unfounded claims regarding the effectiveness of their oil additives and this lure customers to add bottle of additives to their engine which actually does not lower emision, does not improve wear resistance, does not extend engine life, does not improve performance efficiency. There are so many cases of these false claims in the US with this aftermarket oil additive industry investigated by the government and most of these companies pay damages of millions of dollars to customers as ordered by FTC (Federal Trade Commision) and that is why the US Department of Defense restricts the use of aftermarket fuel and oil additives. If i were to choose i would stick to conventional oil and do regular oil change rather than add aftermarket oil additives with no MSDS of whatsoever additives they are using or i will go for synthetic oil for superior lubrication and performance boost. Lubricants specially synthetic group iv & v are already formulated with variety of additives around 20 or more of them and base oil properties either PAO or Ester that are carefully set in equilibrium and any slight manipulation has the potential to be harmful.....

[cakesbyche]

bro, i don't think adding a bottle of pertua engine treatment to your car u can get the same level of performance with group iv and group v synthetic oil. This aftermarket oil additives like pertua, duralube, fuelmax, zmax, etcetera has no match with the superior lubrication and performance boost with synthetic oil group iv & v. you can read in tsikot.com they have some negative comments about this product and one forumer (dvldoc) the "alcohol injection guru" who previously work with NASA discourage tsikoteers to use this aftermarket oil additives without MSDS or list of additives in their magic product. if i will be forced by someone to use an additive i would rather use liqui moly mos 2 oil additive it is scientifically proven to reduce friction rather than these aftermarket oil additives without proven scientific data. Since before there is always a tendency for this aftermarket oil additives industry to make unfounded claims regarding the effectiveness of their oil additives and this lure customers to add bottle of additives to their engine which actually does not lower emision, does not improve wear resistance, does not extend engine life, does not improve performance efficiency. There are so many cases of these false claims in the US with this aftermarket oil additive industry investigated by the government and most of these companies pay damages of millions of dollars to customers as ordered by FTC (Federal Trade Commision) and that is why the US Department of Defense restricts the use of aftermarket fuel and oil additives. If i were to choose i would stick to conventional oil and do regular oil change rather than add aftermarket oil additives with no MSDS of whatsoever additives they are using or i will go for synthetic oil for superior lubrication and performance boost. Lubricants specially synthetic group iv & v are already formulated with variety of additives around 20 or more of them and base oil properties either PAO or Ester that are carefully set in equilibrium and any slight manipulation has the potential to be harmful.....

That's true with other oil additives. And I wouldn't recommend them as well. However for Pertua, it's totally different. They aren't using the term "additive" for their product but rather "treatment". The reason for this is because additives destroy the chemichal composition of base oils that's why there can be negative effects to the engine in the long run, however Pertua is engineered in such a way that it does not destroy the chemical composition of base oils but rather it works hand in hand with the oil for an overall "Synthetic Performance" Pertua Oil and Metal Treatment is enhanced by patented DuraSyn Technology, a unique synthesis of intelligent lubricants that combines with metal surfaces and oil molecules to provide anti-friction and anti-oxidation action.

• Smoothens metal surfaces without affecting engineered tolerances
• Polarizes metal surface molecules to create a magnetic gap between moving parts
• Adapts to heat & pressure to form a semi-permanent cushion against metal-to-metal contact
• Prevents formation of rust, carbon deposits, water and acids

DuraSyn keeps your engine at peak condition for longer periods:

• Increases engine power and speed
• Lessens need for repair
• Restores performance of older engines
• Extends fuel mileage and oil service life
• Reduces harmful waste and emissions

Pertua doesn't and will not claim all these if it wasn't for years and years of development, research, and actual Lab tests. It's in fact patented in both the USA and the Philippines. I would however suggest this cost-effective method for the average users who wants to enjoy the "Synthetic Performance" at a lower cost. But then again it's really a matter of preference. Slowly the filipino consumers now are learning how to use Synthetic oil but there are still a lot who would prefer adding a can of additive to their mineral oil.

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That's true with other oil additives. And I wouldn't recommend them as well. However for Pertua, it's totally different. They aren't using the term "additive" for their product but rather "treatment". The reason for this is because additives destroy the chemichal composition of base oils that's why there can be negative effects to the engine in the long run, however Pertua is engineered in such a way that it does not destroy the chemical composition of base oils but rather it works hand in hand with the oil for an overall "Synthetic Performance" Pertua Oil and Metal Treatment is enhanced by patented DuraSyn Technology, a unique synthesis of intelligent lubricants that combines with metal surfaces and oil molecules to provide anti-friction and anti-oxidation action.

• Smoothens metal surfaces without affecting engineered tolerances
• Polarizes metal surface molecules to create a magnetic gap between moving parts
• Adapts to heat & pressure to form a semi-permanent cushion against metal-to-metal contact
• Prevents formation of rust, carbon deposits, water and acids

DuraSyn keeps your engine at peak condition for longer periods:

• Increases engine power and speed
• Lessens need for repair
• Restores performance of older engines
• Extends fuel mileage and oil service life
• Reduces harmful waste and emissions

Pertua doesn't and will not claim all these if it wasn't for years and years of development, research, and actual Lab tests. It's in fact patented in both the USA and the Philippines. I would however suggest this cost-effective method for the average users who wants to enjoy the "Synthetic Performance" at a lower cost. But then again it's really a matter of preference. Slowly the filipino consumers now are learning how to use Synthetic oil but there are still a lot who would prefer adding a can of additive to their mineral oil.

bro, you can call it "treatment" "enhancer" "additives" , etcetera the bottom line they are still an additive technically speaking. the naming to me is only a marketing ploy, unless pertua can provide us certification that this product meet standardized ASTM tests or any API industry-standard controlled testing results whatsoever. But no standardized ASTM tests were performed at all so the logical conclusion is this product cannot show any favorable results in Standardized Testing Procedures. Take note Standardized test are tightly-defined and proven to be Reliable and Repeatable. These are the tests used by major oil manufacturers like Mobil 1, Shell, Amsoil, Motul, Chevron, Valvoline, ENEOS, Royal Purple, Liqui Moly, etcetera. I cannot see an API, ILSAC, ACEA, or any standardized test certification from major car manufacturers like Chrsyler, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc that this product meet or exceed their standard test. There is no pertua website either so we can see at least the MSDS of what are the additives that they are using. Unless they can publish ASTM standardized testing results and carry the API, ILSAC, ACEA certification in their product then those claims by pertua above that you narrated are only pure marketing...and it remains a snake oil to me and those people from BITOG maybe....Just my own views bro and others may have different view also.....

[cakesbyche]

bro, you can call it "treatment" "enhancer" "additives" , etcetera the bottom line they are still an additive technically speaking. the naming to me is only a marketing ploy, unless pertua can provide us certification that this product meet standardized ASTM tests or any API industry-standard controlled testing results whatsoever. But no standardized ASTM tests were performed at all so the logical conclusion is this product cannot show any favorable results in Standardized Testing Procedures. Take note Standardized test are tightly-defined and proven to be Reliable and Repeatable. These are the tests used by major oil manufacturers like Mobil 1, Shell, Amsoil, Motul, Chevron, Valvoline, ENEOS, Royal Purple, Liqui Moly, etcetera. I cannot see an API, ILSAC, ACEA, or any standardized test certification from major car manufacturers like Chrsyler, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc that this product meet or exceed their standard test. There is no pertua website either so we can see at least the MSDS of what are the additives that they are using. Unless they can publish ASTM standardized testing results and carry the API, ILSAC, ACEA certification in their product then those claims by pertua above that you narrated are only pure marketing...and it remains a snake oil to me and those people from BITOG maybe....Just my own views bro and others may have different view also.....

The only thing I can really say is that Pertua is still a growing company. Its size is still no where near those you mentioned above. Pertua might not have all the certifications just yet, but give them some time, they are looking for distributors and investors so that they can further grow the brand. Their claims might be hard to believe, but I can tell you this... There will always be doubt until you try out the product yourself. We've been using their product for over 10 years now. We change oil on an average of 10,000kms and guess what never did our ZD30 experience engine problems. I know a lot of ZD30's are getting overhauled in the past few years. It has also worked for many other users as well, and so far reviews about the product has been positive. It just so happens that only a small percentage of market have the knowledge that such a product exists. And even if they do, it's not very accessible as of the moment. Hopefully soon, it will be sold in more Automotive Stores. I suggest maybe try out the product yourself if you find it hard to believe that there is indeed a more cost-effective alternative to Fully Synthetic Oil. Then again, it's really the actual usage that matters the most. The driving conditions in the Philippines are totally different from that of the US and other countries. Especially in Cebu, a 30 minute ride can get you to almost anywhere within the City given that traffic is good.

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The only thing I can really say is that Pertua is still a growing company. Its size is still no where near those you mentioned above. Pertua might not have all the certifications just yet, but give them some time, they are looking for distributors and investors so that they can further grow the brand. Their claims might be hard to believe, but I can tell you this... There will always be doubt until you try out the product yourself. We've been using their product for over 10 years now. We change oil on an average of 10,000kms and guess what never did our ZD30 experience engine problems. I know a lot of ZD30's are getting overhauled in the past few years. I suggest maybe try out the product yourself if you find it hard to believe that there is a more cost-effective alternative to Fully Synthetic Oil.

i doubt they have market in the US and Europe because these countries will require their product to be tested and should meet or exceed in Standardized Testing procedure like ASTM tests or any API industry standard testing before carrying their API trademark in selling their product to mass market. This is done particularly in the US to protect consumers from false claims of these manufacturers. I cannot find any website or technical support of this company considering that they are in the market for 12 or more years. I did not see either in BITOG forums about this product so it is a bit strange that a US company with very good product as you claim will not be discussed in BITOG. It looks like only filipinos embrace this product....very strange.....It is either that they come over here because we have no laws that required them to pass ASTM/API testing before mass produce their product compared to US and Europe that requires them and charge them for damages if their claim benefits is nowhere to quantify or verify....How did you come up with your 10,000 kms OCI did you send oil samples for UOA or you decide yourself without technical data on hand from UOA that your oil is good to go for 10,000 kms? I bet that if we run similar setup and you using conventional oil + pertua and mine using conventional oil + remote bypass filtration and at 5,000 kms we will send oil samples for UOA and i can guarantee you my oil samples is cleaner with better TBN, TAN than yours...A dirty oil with soot, sludge, carbon deposits, particles, contaminants is totally dirty and not good for your engine and no additives or treatment can help on that and the wisest thing to do is change the oil and filter....to make it clean again. Sorry bro i will not use product that does not pass standard testing to have peace of mind....

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I can recommend Now12, tested dyd hinuon ni, nka remember ko sa kd2 regional autocross sa SRP
pag may 25-26 2013, wholeday nag dagan ang stock car init kaau, wala mo overheat, g puli2xhan ug driver, wala mn mo overheat ang sakayan..

same car with now12 oil used in cagayan autocross, init sdto kaau nag lumba sa SM cagayan, kung wala to gamiti ug now12. bungkag na cgro ang makina, upto now the car is running, engine is still in good condition

thats torture testing using now12 oil enhancer.. wala nay adbirtise2x.. testing para makita ang scater...

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