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  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    Cons:
    (1) It can lead to duplication of government and inefficient, over-lapping or contradictory policies in different parts of the country.
    the countries below made it work...why not give it a try?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation



    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    (2) It can lead to inequality between the states and lead to unhealthy competition and rivalry between them.
    how is it unhealthy when taxes sent to the national government will be smaller compared to the current system?
    it would mean mas dako nga parte sa tax ang mahabilin to be utilized to their own respective state...

    and from these taxes, the respective states can create/better their own infrastructure...

    THE CURRENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT where majority of the taxes go and utilized are in manila...unhealthy competition you say as a CON? for the current, it is...



    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    (3) It can lead to over-government that will result to corruption
    karon rapod ko kadungog anang over-government...bale, mag-sapaw2x na nuon? if mao, di man pod tingali kay naa man gyuy mga agencies nga i-create ug i-dissolve para di mo-create ug conflict of interest/function...



    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    Is it worth it or not? Why?
    YES...why?
    i want to live to see a CHANGE in the current government system which has been since the "democracy" in manila...

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by kit_cebu View Post
    the countries below made it work...why not give it a try?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation
    Many of those Federal countries in your link are still 3rd world countries and rank poorly in corruption index, im not against change but a change parliamentary govt gives way better result than this federal system.

    how is it unhealthy when taxes sent to the national government will be smaller compared to the current system?
    it would mean mas dako nga parte sa tax ang mahabilin to be utilized to their own respective state...
    and from these taxes, the respective states can create/better their own infrastructure...
    THE CURRENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT where majority of the taxes go and utilized are in manila...unhealthy competition you say as a CON? for the current, it is...
    In federalism, rich states will become more richer because much of their income stays with them, while poor states will degrade because no national government to balance and support them.
    karon rapod ko kadungog anang over-government...bale, mag-sapaw2x na nuon? if mao, di man pod tingali kay naa man gyuy mga agencies nga i-create ug i-dissolve para di mo-create ug conflict of interest/function...
    Because their will be more bureaucrats which leads to more bureaucracy. This can lead to inefficiency and even more corruption (especially to a nation like us with no FOI law). For the same reason Federalism is also a much more expensive govt to maintain compared to the current one. For a poor country like us, this is a major concern.

  3. #13
    Maybe Federalism is the answer to our needs, who knows. If we don't try something new we are always Robbed by the GOV.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by raissah View Post
    dah pila nana ka tuig ingon ana ra gihapon.. try ta aning Federalism oi.
    Changing government is not a video game where we can just do a trial and error and if we fail you can just try again later, there's just to much at stake. What if it will make things worst?

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    Changing government is not a video game where we can just do a trial and error and if we fail you can just try again later, there's just to much at stake. What if it will make things worst?
    what if it will make things better?

  6. #16
    federalism is most effective with technology-assisted presence. you might notice this sa mga federal state government.

    mao ning ni limit sa atoa before that is why we settled for unitary governance to make ends meet.
    these days nabridge na ang gap sa education, communication, and transportation...especially communication and transportation. time to improve our regional capabilities

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by katulz View Post
    Changing government is not a video game where we can just do a trial and error and if we fail you can just try again later, there's just to much at stake. What if it will make things worst?
    you sound like you know a lot about this...
    have you brought this up with a lawmaker or someone from the academe?
    wa man guy padulngan ning istorya kaayo...i'm not being a dick...general or taphaw raman knowledge sa majority dri...usa ko ana...basta anything than the current...wa gyuy ayo istilo gud...

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by kit_cebu View Post
    you sound like you know a lot about this...
    have you brought this up with a lawmaker or someone from the academe?
    wa man guy padulngan ning istorya kaayo...i'm not being a dick...general or taphaw raman knowledge sa majority dri...usa ko ana...basta anything than the current...wa gyuy ayo istilo gud...
    sakto ka bai @kit_cebu.. @katulz, then, if dili ka aning federalismo, do you still want to continue the form of our current government? You're not a presidentiable, wala ka sa listahan ron. If you're aiming to change something, you'll need power. Your voice here is nothing. You have a point, we can argue and disagree here, but no one can hear us. We're all just someone behind a computer, and not someone behind THE desk.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by kit_cebu View Post
    you sound like you know a lot about this...
    have you brought this up with a lawmaker or someone from the academe?
    wa man guy padulngan ning istorya kaayo...i'm not being a dick...general or taphaw raman knowledge sa majority dri...usa ko ana...basta anything than the current...wa gyuy ayo istilo gud...
    Those pros and cons i mentioned are quoted from Jose Abueva, former UP president. Below is his background:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Abueva

    Im not totally against federalism,it has its own advantage, i will only support it if we will have a FOI law first. That way we can stop the possibility having a more corrupt government.

    What i really dont understand why is there so much support for federalism. If people want a less corrupt government then why Not parliamentary. Most countries who perform best in corruption index are parliaments. Or we could just pass FOI and Anti Political Dynasty law, those are actually better solutions.
    Or is it just to decongest Manila? It will create another problem because other big cities like Cebu are already congested. Or is it for economic purposes? Well, we could just end 60/40 ownership clause in the constitution and then foreign investments will rise in no time!
    Duterte better pass FOI law first before federalism if he wins or i will be against it.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by stealthghost View Post
    sakto ka bai @kit_cebu.. @katulz, then, if dili ka aning federalismo, do you still want to continue the form of our current government? You're not a presidentiable, wala ka sa listahan ron. If you're aiming to change something, you'll need power. Your voice here is nothing. You have a point, we can argue and disagree here, but no one can hear us. We're all just someone behind a computer, and not someone behind THE desk.
    There is nothing wrong with our Unitary system. The reason why we are poor and corrupt is NOT because of the type of government we have. Its because of those who are in the government and the gullible people who keeps voting them.

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