The EARLY CHRISTIAN'S ZEAL and CONVICTION

[SioDenz]

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I could say the original church of Jesus Christ adapted by the roman emperor before,
copycat ra nang uban sio, unya hinimo ra pud sa tawo.

Adapted is Not the same as Formed or created. especially when you create a new name for it not used in Jesus time.

same rana sa si graham bell is known as maoy nakaimbento sa concept the telephony. If maghimu diay kog akong telepono nga ni Adapt sa iyang concept, siya diay nag himu sa akong telepono?

and basically based on what you posted, the Roman Catholic Religion was formed after a MAN embrace Christianity. Maybe, the teachings can be traced to Jesus through his disciples but in No way Jesus personally created the Religious institution. sa ngalan palan daan.

Tawo man sad naghimu sa RC religion/institution based sa imung post

[GreyGargoyle]

[Tetrad]

mas nindot kanang video brod nga gikan gyud sa pope nga words like iyang sermon kay mas katuohan ba.

[Tetrad]

brownman

In some sense sakto ang katoliko because Peter has a prominent place in Christendom during and after Jesus death.
People looked up to him, asked for his council, leads the church in different ways by example, died a martyr.

Nagka uninteresting naman imong mga point pader!
So nasabtan na nimo ang ilang pasabot anang Universal church? And Peter being the head not Jesus Christ?

ikaw kono pag quote og osa ka verse nga gi ingnan si Peter ni Jesus, nga wa kay authority over sa church? sige kono...
unsay what? LOL. nganong mo qoute man ko og verse nga naa naman koy verse nga gi quote.

Nah! Ako na nuon imong ipasolve sa imong problema nga ikaw may nag insist nga si Peter maoy head sa universal church! Gamita imong advance knowledge kay kung ang bible atong basihan, checkmate gyud ka permi kay molaban gyud na sa mga Christians.

Among the disciples, gi pili ra ni Jesus si Peter para sultihan nga "Take care and Feed my Sheeps". that's something, liman ka si Jesus gi personal jud ka ug istorya nga "take care of my sheep" sa ato pa dako ang pagsalig ni Jesus kang Peter.
ikaw maka quote ka og verse nga adunay laing disciples nga gi ingnan ni Jesus nga "take care of my sheeps?" LOL.

Ang2 wa pamay cellphone sa una, personal gyud and your point? wala pud diay gi personal ni Jesus Christ ang ubang Apostles? heehe

Kung moingon lagi ka nga si Peter ra gihatagan ug authority above the Apostles, how about the rest? Compare Peter with Paul kung kinsay mas daghang converts, missionary journeys, writings about Christianity! All of them died as martyrs except John the beloved.

Diri na jud ma kita og ma klaro ang imong pagka elementary.
kini nga scenario Mr. 3rd eye, the last supper ni. katong scenario nga "take care and feed my sheep", pagkahoman nato sa iyang resurrection. sa ato pa ang pag hatag ug authority ni Peter nahitabo pagka homan na sa ilang lalis sa last supper. gets? LOL

nalibog naka Mr.Elementary? nga hasta ang chronology sa kinabuhi ni Jesus imong gi katag, haha. pagka Elementary pa jud nimo.

Ikay solve sa imong problema kay wala man gyud giclaim ni Peter bisan ni Jesus Christ nga iyang gihatagan ana nga Authority! Ang imong pag interpret maoy sayop….angkona nalang kay samot nuon kaklaro kung hatagan pa gyud tikaw more supporting verses. Samot nang imong claim anang Apostolic succession, basig tua na sa Quran imong references!

Ipakita sad tawn imong worth kung moingon kang advance nang imong knowledge about the bible kay tiguwang na raba ka, mauwaw ta daghan makabasa!

pssst, kini nga verses wa ni nagpasabot nga di puede ng leader leader sa christianity, but gi describe diri characteristic sa osa ka leader.

Leader sa Christianity or sa imong NEW WORLD ORDER? Nya unsay sabot nimo anang verse 26?

25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.

pagka elementary pa jud og panabot nimo.
ikaw kinsay nagtudlo nimo og 1+1=3 ang presidente ba sa pinas? di sa. hehe. pero under ka sa authority sa president sa pinas. gets? mao pod na ka pablo, di si pedro ang gatudlo apan under siya sa authority ni Pedro until si Pablo naghimo himo og iyang kaugalingong sekta.

nalimot naka sigoro nga nihangyo intawn si pablo sa church sa jerusalem nga di na e strikto ang pag implementar sa balaod didto sa mga gentiles, kana lang daan nagpasabot nga si Pablo was under their authority.

Whattt? Mashock mansd ta nimo! Ahhahahahah. Unsa diay sekta gitukod ni Pablo?
Mao diay nay rason nga ignorante kayo ka sa bible, I thought man gud advance na kayo na imong knowledge.

This calls for common sense pader!
How come Paul even rebuked Peter if sya man gani ang naay Authority?
How come theyre arguing on who should be the greatest among them in front of Christ if given na si Peter ang head?

Para makasabot gyud ka sa reasons behind papal authority if biblical ba or political, take time to compare this:
THE BIBLICAL PETER VS THE PETER OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM

How about the words of the Apostle Paul? entrusted does not mean to become a head!
Gal. 2:7, "But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised."

Do you agree with me on this?
The Office & Qualifications of the Pope are nowhere mentioned in the Scriptures.

ka elementary pa jud intawn.
ang pasabot ana kay sa mata sa Ginoo patas ra sila tanan.
BUT in any organization duna jud nay leader nga diin tagaan og authority to lead the organization. ayaw ko ingna nga sa inyong simbahan way pastor? nabuang na.
ayaw ko ingna nga sa inyong simbahan way Seniority? way elders? walay president? kadakong inamaw gud ana kung mao na. LOL

Gamita sad ang thinking caps pader, bisan sa kani lang nga topic…heheh. I beg you!

How about the churches that was started by the rest of the Apostles? Kang Paul, James, Thomas? Si Peter gihapon ang head? Wa gyud diay ka kasabot sa mga passages that I shared. Lets make clear of what the church is and Christ being the head of the church according to the bible kay murag wa kay basa2 tingali!

The head of the collective church is Jesus Christ, not Peter! Mahurot gyud ning isa ka page kung iquote nako tanan pader!

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Romans 12:4-5
For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Ephesians 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

John 2:19-22
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Colossians 2:19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Ephesians 4:15-16
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

1 Corinthians 12:25-26
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Ephesians 4:25
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Ephesians 5:29-30
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Colossians 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Romans 12:6-8
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

kung leader ka dodong elementary wa nagpasabot nga tanan na lang tao mo yango sa imong desisyon duna jud nay mosopak. because in any organization lahi lahi ang personality sa tao, and because of that duna jud nay clashes of opinion. gets?
ka elementary pa jud nimo ui.

So you mean the Apostles wala magkahiusa in their belief to Christ Or the Apostle Paul who had the greater contribution in Christianity is the menace?

Natural mosupak ang taw kung dili mao! You want us to agree with you bisan deception or lies ang imong gipangtudlo? Whose words should we ought to follow, Christ or the Pope?

wa diay ka kabasa nga nisuwat si Pablo sa Church Council sa Jerusalem kay nangayo og solbad sa osa ka doctrinal issue? hahaha. unsa diay ng bibliyaha imong gibasa, giputol to nga page?

Being members in one body, of course, tahts normal for a Christian leader asking for solutions in spiritual, doctrinal or other issues with fellow christian leaders. Kinsa gud magtinabangay sila raman…..

So ngano man diay kung 2 ra ka letters, timan-e si Peter di kaayo to edukado kay fisherman ra, si Pablo kay scholar to so naturally mas anad mo suwat si Pablo. LOL , but it doesn't mean nga di na to leader si Pedro tungod kay 2 ra ang letter nabutang sa iyang pangan .

Then quote from the writings of Peter to prove your point nga sya ang head sa church. Diha pa nuon nimo masabtan nga perteng layoa ra sa tinuod anang mga teachings/doctrines sa Vatican sa teachings ni Peter!

paeta utoka, saman di na kaya, hangyo lang kay ako ning undangon haha.

hheheheh….nangita nag daplin si pader! Kasabot rako kay professor na gud na imong level.

taka lang ka da.
ang doctor mas gamit pa kaysa presidente apan ang presidente above sa doctor. gets nimo ang logic? kay imong logic diring dapita hagbong.

Unsay mas gamit pa kaysa presidente? unsa naman ni nga logic tawn ui.

basa sa tag verses be....

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Nya asa man nato mabasa nga pwede nato macompare as doctor/president si Peter ug Paul? Imong logic pader hungaw…heheh.

o oi lecturan ka nako para ma open imong 3rd eye.

Hahahahh! Nalingaw ko pader…..diko ana imong third eye ui kay deception na!

taka na pod ka og interpret hahaha. basaha lagi ang context dodong elementary.
just by reading your response dodong ako jud makita nga i am way ahead of you when it comes to bible interpretation.

Daug gud ka bisan kapila, way mo argue ana….ahahhh!
You can claim anything you want pader, sabot rako….basin wa ka kasuway ana sukad pag eskwela nimo ba!

hahahaha, wrong exegesis, paeta. I doubt nga nka eskwela ka og Hermeneutics hahaha kay sa imong pagsumpay you have violated one simple rule, that is to observe the context.
lahi ug context ng John dodong ug lahi pod ng naa sa Matthew hahahaha.
nya kay imong man gi sumpay pasabot, wa kay alamag sa rules sa bible interpretation. kung pastor man gani ka paka owaw ka lang.

Unsa diay pasabot atong command ni Jesus Christ nga “FOLLOW ME” sa John, again in Matthew….lahi2 diay? Be explain daw bi…..share sad sa imong advance knowledge!

truth sa imong mata nga utlimo basic rule sa pag interpret di nimo makuha.

Haahahha! Ai na lagi daghan istorya…..just make your point kay nahimuot lang ko sa imong mga replies, nagka anam ka hungaw! Bitaw, honestly nakuyawan ko at first ug tubay nimo I thought advance gyud tinuod imong knowledge sa bible…ehhehe. Mas kamao paman gani tingali akong pag umangkon nimo! Peace….

haha wa naman tawn ka sa topic ui.
da katilaw hinoon ka, puro ka hambog, kasugat na hinoon ka og tinood nga nagtoon og bible (saona)
sa sunod ayaw pataka og quote kay di ka makapasar nako.

hehhehe….nice try pader!
Nikagar na diay ka kay sa una raman diay to sa bagay obvious raman.

move on ta pader, nagkaway lami imong mga point.

[GreyGargoyle]

mas nindot kanang video brod nga gikan gyud sa pope nga words like iyang sermon kay mas katuohan ba.

Most of the speeches are in Youtube... i google lang ug sabta'g maayo without twisting the words brader.

I would appreciate if you could comprehend Latin, French, German, Polish and Spanish without putting the words out of context, like how your youtube videos are made.

[Tetrad]

Most of the speeches are in Youtube... i google lang ug sabta'g maayo without twisting the words brader.

I would appreciate if you could comprehend Latin, French, German, Polish and Spanish without putting the words out of context, like how your youtube videos are made.

please share and interpret it for us brother kay di mi kasabot anang inyong latin, french, german, unsa pana....bisaya tawn ming dako english will do gamay...hehe.

parehas ani brod ba, at least english...

[GreyGargoyle]

[<SMILE>]

then wahts the purpose of Jesus death, burial and resurrection being God nagpakamatay kung kita raman diay makabuhat sa atong kaluwasan?

The church brod is the collective body of believers of Jesus Christ.....not the building in Vatican!
whether your a protestant, catholic, baptists, etc....when you have Christ in your life, automatically in spiritual sense youll become part of the Church!

Jesus Christ did sacrifice himself for our sins,
ayaw lang pud ninyo ug abusahi. Do the most appropriate way of following his footsteps, dili kay tungod lang kay ming-tuo na mo, puwede ra gihapon magpakasala kay luwas na man kaha. Managhan ang mga criminal anang inyong kalaki.

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Adapted is Not the same as Formed or created. especially when you create a new name for it not used in Jesus time.

same rana sa si graham bell is known as maoy nakaimbento sa concept the telephony. If maghimu diay kog akong telepono nga ni Adapt sa iyang concept, siya diay nag himu sa akong telepono?

and basically based on what you posted, the Roman Catholic Religion was formed after a MAN embrace Christianity. Maybe, the teachings can be traced to Jesus through his disciples but in No way Jesus personally created the Religious institution. sa ngalan palan daan.

Tawo man sad naghimu sa RC religion/institution based sa imung post

Dili gyud kahimo ug telepono kung dili pa tungod ni Graham Bell sio,
gi-continue sa tawo ang simbahan nga gitukod ni Jesus Christ mao nay laktod nga pagka-istorya sio.

[Tetrad]

Jesus Christ did sacrifice himself for our sins,
ayaw lang pud ninyo ug abusahi. Do the most appropriate way of following his footsteps, dili kay tungod lang kay ming-tuo na mo, puwede ra gihapon magpakasala kay luwas na man kaha. Managhan ang mga criminal anang inyong kalaki.

mao nay mindset sa professing christians..walay kalainan sa unconverted like most who claim to be christians kuno pero ang nawng tua sa sugalan, bar, rock concert...etc.

There is a big difference between a false and a true Christian bro nga nay relasyon sa Ginoo!
True Christians naay conviction sa sala....dili sya mahimutang kung naka experience man gani sa presence sa Holy Spirit unya mobalik sa karaang kinaiya nga makakasala.

1 Cor 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.





Dili gyud kahimo ug telepono kung dili pa tungod ni Graham Bell sio,
gi-continue sa tawo ang simbahan nga gitukod ni Jesus Christ mao nay laktod nga pagka-istorya sio.[/QUOTE]

[Brownman_politiks]

Nagka uninteresting naman imong mga point pader!
So nasabtan na nimo ang ilang pasabot anang Universal church? And Peter being the head not Jesus Christ?

pataka na pod ka og sabot, ni kaging na imong utok tungod sa akong mga ponto nga naglisod naka og sabot? LOL

asa gud diha dapita nga nag ingon ang mga katoliko nga si Peter ang head ug dili si Jesus? gapataka naman lang ka og istorya. kaging na jud imong utok, ayaw lagi tuga tuga og bangga og tao, sobra ra kaayo ka ka bilib sa imong kaugalingon haha. pero, imong panabot elementary kaayo.

kung mo ingon gani nga leader si Peter wa na nagpasabot nga iyang gi polihan si Jesus.

Nah! Ako na nuon imong ipasolve sa imong problema nga ikaw may nag insist nga si Peter maoy head sa universal church! Gamita imong advance knowledge kay kung ang bible atong basihan, checkmate gyud ka permi kay molaban gyud na sa mga Christians.

ayaw pag nah nah diha kay wa kay angay. haha.

ako na hinoon ng problema nga naa man koy ika soporta nga verse that Jesus gave Peter the authority over His sheeps.

Apan ikaw wa kay ika pakita nga verse nga diin mosoporta sa imong position nga way authority si Peter. so imo ng problema, dakong problema.

checkmate sa imong mata nga di man ka gani kabalo mo gamit og context as proven in your previous posts. LOL, puro ra ka istorya hinambog. but when put to the test, yabo ka.

Ang2 wa pamay cellphone sa una, personal gyud and your point? wala pud diay gi personal ni Jesus Christ ang ubang Apostles? heehe

Kung moingon lagi ka nga si Peter ra gihatagan ug authority above the Apostles, how about the rest? Compare Peter with Paul kung kinsay mas daghang converts, missionary journeys, writings about Christianity! All of them died as martyrs except John the beloved.

mao lagi tagae lagi ko og verses that Jesus came to these apostles personally and told them to take care of His sheeps? asa lagi.

wa sigoro ka kasabot sa kabug-aton sa pulong nga gi buhian ni Jesus ngadto kang Peter " take care of my sheeps" "nya feed my lambs pa jud. pasabton ka nako ha.

gitagaan ug authority si Peter as Shepherd sa mga sheeps ni Jesus. Feed my lambs and to take care of sheeps are functions sa osa ka Shepherd, and since Jesus gave this authority to Peter so therefore he(Jesus) designated Peter as the Shepherd of his(Jesus) sheeps.

so since late na abot si Pablo mas senior si Peter niya and since sheep si Pablo ni Jesus so therefore under siya sa Shepherding ni Peter. gets? hehe.

o see, naa na pod kay nakat-onan gikan nako. haha. Pa lecture ka?

Ikay solve sa imong problema kay wala man gyud giclaim ni Peter bisan ni Jesus Christ nga iyang gihatagan ana nga Authority! Ang imong pag interpret maoy sayop….angkona nalang kay samot nuon kaklaro kung hatagan pa gyud tikaw more supporting verses. Samot nang imong claim anang Apostolic succession, basig tua na sa Quran imong references!

nayabag na ka? haha, ka elementary nimo mo sabot sa bible, wa man gani kay formal study sa hermeneutics nya ako na hinoon ang sayop, ang imong style sa paghubad sa mga verses kay pina butikaw butikaw.

Ipakita sad tawn imong worth kung moingon kang advance nang imong knowledge about the bible kay tiguwang na raba ka, mauwaw ta daghan makabasa!

ang mga dunay utok kasabot sa akong ponto og kabalo sila nga ako ang sakto.

Leader sa Christianity or sa imong NEW WORLD ORDER? Nya unsay sabot nimo anang verse 26?

25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.

ako ng gisulti sa akong previous post, wa na pod ka kasabot? characterisitc lagi sa leadership ang gi describe diha, wa na nagpasabot nga di na lang ta mopili og leader.

Whattt? Mashock mansd ta nimo! Ahhahahahah. Unsa diay sekta gitukod ni Pablo?
Mao diay nay rason nga ignorante kayo ka sa bible, I thought man gud advance na kayo na imong knowledge.

o ui very advance, kabalo man gani ko naay sekta si Pablo, ikaw wala. LOL

e kompara ang Jerusalem church ug ang church nga gipangtokod ni pablo di ba lahi kaayo, LOL. in fact scholars have named it as Pauline Church.

kabalo ko ma shock ka kay elementary pa gud imong knowledge sa bible.

This calls for common sense pader!
How come Paul even rebuked Peter if sya man gani ang naay Authority?
How come theyre arguing on who should be the greatest among them in front of Christ if given na si Peter ang head?

intawn pod , kinsay gasulti nga gi rebuked si pablo ra pod hahaha. Pero wa ka kabalo nga dunay conflict ang Jerusalem Church ug si Pablo kay gi badlong si Pablo for doctrinal issues apan wa mopatoo. but eventually nagpalayo na jud si Pablo sa authority sa Jerusalem Church tungod kay gusto siya nga iyang doktrina ang matoman? LOL

kabalo ko wa ka kabalo ana kay as ive said elementary pa kaayo ka og panabot sa bible.

How about the words of the Apostle Paul? entrusted does not mean to become a head!
Gal. 2:7, "But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised."

kato laging authority ni Jesus ang issue katong take care of my sheep, ayaw lagi ka likoy.

Do you agree with me on this?
The Office & Qualifications of the Pope are nowhere mentioned in the Scriptures.

pareha ra gud pod na sa trinity, asa gud gi mentioned na sa bible?

Gamita sad ang thinking caps pader, bisan sa kani lang nga topic…heheh. I beg you!

o para imo ra ni.

How about the churches that was started by the rest of the Apostles? Kang Paul, James, Thomas? Si Peter gihapon ang head? Wa gyud diay ka kasabot sa mga passages that I shared. Lets make clear of what the church is and Christ being the head of the church according to the bible kay murag wa kay basa2 tingali!

The head of the collective church is Jesus Christ, not Peter! Mahurot gyud ning isa ka page kung iquote nako tanan pader!

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Romans 12:4-5
For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Ephesians 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

John 2:19-22
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Colossians 2:19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Ephesians 4:15-16
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

1 Corinthians 12:25-26
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Ephesians 4:25
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Ephesians 5:29-30
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Colossians 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Romans 12:6-8
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

nayabag na nisamot na jud ka klaro ang pagka elementary.

ang pagka head ni Peter sa church wa nagpasabot nga gi pulihan na niya si Jesus. LOL, gapataka man lang ka ug sabot ui.

mao diay nag problema ka og maayo kay wa man diay ka kasabot.

So you mean the Apostles wala magkahiusa in their belief to Christ Or the Apostle Paul who had the greater contribution in Christianity is the menace?

basaha ug balik akong post kay kini imong tubag wa mosobay sa akong post. ratol na ka?

Natural mosupak ang taw kung dili mao! You want us to agree with you bisan deception or lies ang imong gipangtudlo? Whose words should we ought to follow, Christ or the Pope?

basaha balik akong post kay wa nimo ma gets ang ponto didto. nikagar na imong utok.

Being members in one body, of course, tahts normal for a Christian leader asking for solutions in spiritual, doctrinal or other issues with fellow christian leaders. Kinsa gud magtinabangay sila raman…..

wa gihapon ka igo sa akong ponto, likoy kaayong tubaga.

Then quote from the writings of Peter to prove your point nga sya ang head sa church. Diha pa nuon nimo masabtan nga perteng layoa ra sa tinuod anang mga teachings/doctrines sa Vatican sa teachings ni Peter!

samot likoy nga tubag, sige na lang ka og likoy haha. unsa man ato na ning undangon kay nigahi na imong utok.

hheheheh….nangita nag daplin si pader! Kasabot rako kay professor na gud na imong level.

kini murag nakasabot naka. haha.

aw syempre mailhan man.

Unsay mas gamit pa kaysa presidente? unsa naman ni nga logic tawn ui.

saba diha ui naa pa kay pa logic logic nga di man gani ka kasabot sa imong kaugalingong ininglis.

basa sa tag verses be....

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Nya asa man nato mabasa nga pwede nato macompare as doctor/president si Peter ug Paul? Imong logic pader hungaw…heheh.

hungaw sa tao nga tanga.

Hahahahh! Nalingaw ko pader…..diko ana imong third eye ui kay deception na!

di ka maka sabot, kinahanglan ni ug 3rd eye para kasabot ka.

Daug gud ka bisan kapila, way mo argue ana….ahahhh!
You can claim anything you want pader, sabot rako….basin wa ka kasuway ana sukad pag eskwela nimo ba!

ay sus tinood man na nga mas kabalo pa ko nimo when it comes to bible interpretation.

wa jud kay angay mag pinilosopo haha.

Unsa diay pasabot atong command ni Jesus Christ nga “FOLLOW ME” sa John, again in Matthew….lahi2 diay? Be explain daw bi…..share sad sa imong advance knowledge!

haha nangutana na ka nako o, haha. sa ato pa mas kabalo ko kay nimo.

Haahahha! Ai na lagi daghan istorya…..just make your point kay nahimuot lang ko sa imong mga replies, nagka anam ka hungaw! Bitaw, honestly nakuyawan ko at first ug tubay nimo I thought advance gyud tinuod imong knowledge sa bible…ehhehe. Mas kamao paman gani tingali akong pag umangkon nimo! Peace….

ana jud, patoho-a imong kaugalingon ana para pod intawn ma boost imong confidence haha.

hehhehe….nice try pader!
Nikagar na diay ka kay sa una raman diay to sa bagay obvious raman.

move on ta pader, nagkaway lami imong mga point.

intawn pod ui malooy man lang ta nimo haha.

sige na lang gud ka ug pataas sa imong ihi para ingnon maayo ka hahaha.

ang kapaet man gud nimo kay para nimo ikaw na lan g jud ang sakto.

kung maka atobang ka og sama nako nga mas kasabot pa nimo, masoko dayun ka kay nalabwan ang imong pagka sweto konohay. hehe.