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  1. #221

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bears Grill View Post
    Bongbong impressed me with his speech during that BBL issue. If there was a contest for statesmanship for all the Presidential and VP candidates, I think he'll top that one.

    The monkey wrench for me is the tension he might create if he chooses to pursue his personal interest: i.e. cleaning up his family's name. If and when he buries his father at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, I can already foresee massive protests. He might also want to re-write the Civics textbooks so that instead of villifying Martial Law, it would be extolling the its overall good. That too will incur mass protests. He might also want to re-write history books, so that instead of Ninoy being the hero, we'll have Ninoy the traitor. After all, It doesn't make sense to have both Marcos and Ninoy as heroes; one must be the fall guy. Overall, I foresee turmoil and major divisiveness in a Marcos presidency, and it won't be good for our country.

    Anyone who claims that Philippines during the Marcos era was our "Golden Age" should answer this question: HOW do you explain the mass outrage and mass resignations/defections that led to EDSA in 1986? Is it...
    a) We were a First World country but the Catholic Church brainwashed the entire country
    b) We were going to be the next Singapore but people got fooled by the Aquinos
    b) Marcos ruled for 20 years, run our deficits to the brink of bankruptcy, his family and friends helping themselves in what they call "kleptocracy", and things got worse and worse

    Come on, now. You can't trust sources from an era where there was no press freedom. Just read what Lee Kuan Yew had to say to get a sense of what Marcos was:

    "Marcos and I agreed to implement a bilateral Philippines-Singapore… to promote intra-ASEAN trade…I was to discover that for him, the communiqué was the accomplishment itself; its implementation was secondary, an extra to be discussed at another conference." ---GREAT LEADER, no?

    "He once took me on a tour of his library at Malacañang, its shelves filled with bound volumes of newspapers reporting his activities over the years since he first stood for elections. There were encyclopedia-size volumes on the history and culture of the Philippines with his name as the author. His campaign medals as an anti-Japanese guerrilla leader were displayed in glass cupboards. He was the undisputed boss of all Filipinos. Imelda had a penchant for luxury and opulence. When they visited Singapore…they came in style in two DC8’s, his and hers." ---WOW, I BET HE BOUGHT THOSE WITH GOLD BARS WHEN HE WAS A SMASHINGLY SUCCESSFUL GOLD PROSPECTOR!

    "Marcos, ruling under martial law, had detained opposition leader Benigno (Ninoy) Aquino, reputed to be as charismatic and powerful a campaigner as he was. He freed Aquino and allowed him to go to the USA. As the economic situation in the Philippines deteriorated, Aquino announced his decision to return. Mrs. Marcos issued several veiled warnings. When the plane arrived at Manila Airport from Taipei in August 1983, he was shot as he descended from the aircraft..."---HMMMMM, VERY SUSPICIOUS.

    "International outrage over the killing resulted in foreign banks stopping all loans to the Philippines, which owed over US$25 billion and could not pay the interest due. This brought Marcos to the crunch. He sent his minister for trade and industry, Bobby Ongpin, to ask me for a loan of US$300-500 million to meet the interest payments. I looked him straight in the eye and said, “We will never see that money back.”" ---WE WERE GOING TO BE THE NEXT SINGAPORE INDEED!
    Very well said Sir.
    Hats off.

  2. #222

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    Hay naku,. walang katapusang apilyedo ... balik2 jud tas sinugdanan ani ...
    Unsa ni paatras napud ang namuno ? ... sa History after Marcos reign - Aquino man dayon sunod.

    So sato pa if sya mudaog ano to ? pabackward ang peg ? from Aquino nga nag reign down to Marcos napud ? ...
    paulit2 lng ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagnarLothbrok View Post
    Bisag unsaon pa ninyog ungkat ang history ug kamatooran, bisag pila pana ka tonelada na libro inyong basahon about FM.. wala gihapon nay silbi kay ang atong giatubang ang Future dili ang past nga 30yrs na intawn ang nilabay...

    BBM is not FM.

    kung sa tan aw ninyo maayug nabuhat si BBM sa iyang pagka sendor. aw iboto ninyo.. ug wala mu ganahi sa iyang style ug achievements, just simply do not vote him..

    dili mu mag cgeg ingon na "DILI NAKU IBOTAR KAY ANAK NG FERDINAND MARCOS" = kani nga rason, Rason nis mga way grado

    Mao ney naka pait sa mga pinoy dali ma brainwashed.. Unsa man tawn labot ne bong2x sa nhtbo twn sa iyang papa ue..

    Mao cguro naka sulti sila ane kay mao ney nakita nila sa atong president like father like son...

    Pero og atong huna hunaon mas dako pman neg kasakit si bongbong sa pinas kysa anang abnoy nga pulos lang pangilad nhbw an.

  5. #225

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNCH View Post
    After I have read some of the posts here, I will still vote for BBM.

    Just my thoughts:

    Martial law - I was still a baby so nothing I can say but I've read why you NEED to declare one.
    Projects - I can see lots of projects named after SR. (though I hate epals fortunately in this case, it was helpful since now I know they were built in his time) unfortunately, not a praise in the history books.
    Dollar vs peso - I have no idea, I heard lots of hearsays, praises, etc. Who cares? As long as I can survive my family. JPY is cents yet .. nuff said.
    Treasure, ill-gotten wealth - It is in the open, lawsuits, claims are flying... they are working on it. Whether they are true or not, (but I do think there's something going on there) I think the Philippine government is the owner, question is ... are you willing to give them in the current state of the government now (you'll just give them for others to steal?). Who can you trust?
    Playing with law/justice - Whether the Marcoses have done wrong or not, any defendant will do anything to acquit himself. That's the nature and there's nothing we can do about it.
    Killing Ninoy - Logic tells me, martial law is on therefore the country is in chaos. I'm not saying Marcos killed or not killed Ninoy but there are just too many factors you need to consider there. Going further with only suspicions & hearsays is showbiz.
    People power - If you are hurt, you have the right to say it. Unfortunately, it is abused and it compromised respect & democracy.
    Anything else? - Let me know and I'll throw my 1 peso worth of thoughts.

    Yet all of the above does not affect my vote for BBM, in fact irrelevant. I am hiring him as VP based on what I saw and heard from him. His platforms, his works, his recent arguments, his thoughts even his own family background, his personal taste, etc. If you don't have any slightest idea about him then don't bash just for the sake of it, martial law, his father, etc. I suggest you read, open your mind and think about it.

    ONE MORE:
    False school credentials - Irrelevant to me. I will hire anyone that can do his job.
    No offense.. maayo gani bro usa ra ka vote ang imoha ma cast.

    On topic:

    Him running as a spare tire to the President. Hope lang nga dili ma assassinate ang President. Sueto raba kaayo ni sila aning mga ingon ani.

  6. #226

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    Apila nalang sad ug dli botaran kadto mga anak sa mga taga kongreso na ni approve sa deklarasyon sa martial law kung mao na. Ang pangutana kung bati man jud kaayo pagkadala adto panahon ngano ang ni puli mas wa man nuon ayo?

    Saun ra unta kaayo labwan pero wala man gi pahimulos ang higayon. Tan.awa wala nay mo tuo hahahahahaha.

  7. #227

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    I am pro BBM . ...nothing will change it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.D. View Post
    Apila nalang sad ug dli botaran kadto mga anak sa mga taga kongreso na ni approve sa deklarasyon sa martial law kung mao na. Ang pangutana kung bati man jud kaayo pagkadala adto panahon ngano ang ni puli mas wa man nuon ayo?

    Saun ra unta kaayo labwan pero wala man gi pahimulos ang higayon. Tan.awa wala nay mo tuo hahahahahaha.
    Lagpasa nimo ug idea Bro woi... Ang 20 years sayon labwan sa tag 6 years? Sa 20 years ni Marcos, tanang Powers naa niya.. Kung pila ang Budget gusto niya walay mo babag... Unlike karon kuti na kaayo... sentido kumon bah!

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    Nah cge mo pagarpar na never again wa nay mo tuo ninyo oi. Di nako mo tubay nmo usik ra sa oras.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo24 View Post
    Lagpasa nimo ug idea Bro woi... Ang 20 years sayon labwan sa tag 6 years? Sa 20 years ni Marcos, tanang Powers naa niya.. Kung pila ang Budget gusto niya walay mo babag... Unlike karon kuti na kaayo... sentido kumon bah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo24 View Post
    Lagpasa nimo ug idea Bro woi... Ang 20 years sayon labwan sa tag 6 years? Sa 20 years ni Marcos, tanang Powers naa niya.. Kung pila ang Budget gusto niya walay mo babag... Unlike karon kuti na kaayo... sentido kumon bah!
    nganung discuss man mu FM nga BBM mani nga thread... mao ni "LAGPAS KAAYU"

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