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    I admire OP for questioning your belief

    My short answer: The bible doesn't make sense.

    It's not a word of some divine creator bullshit!.... Gibasa na naq ang bibliya from cover to cover, from old testament to new testament. It's just some stories copied from ancient sumerian books.

    To think that billions of people fall for this shit scares me.
    Religion is some bullshit.

    When some voices you hear that you will offer your son as a burnt! sacrifice. The answer is NO!, you idiot Isaac!

    If you are in doubt, Read something on www.reddit.com/r/atheism, you will be amazed things will start to make sense to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eclipsegenesis View Post
    I admire OP for questioning your belief

    My short answer: The bible doesn't make sense.

    It's not a word of some divine creator bullshit!.... Gibasa na naq ang bibliya from cover to cover, from old testament to new testament. It's just some stories copied from ancient sumerian books.

    To think that billions of people fall for this shit scares me.
    Religion is some bullshit.

    When some voices you hear that you will offer your son as a burnt! sacrifice. The answer is NO!, you idiot Isaac!

    If you are in doubt, Read something on www.reddit.com/r/atheism, you will be amazed things will start to make sense to you.
    Nag tuo tingali ni Sila bro ug ang Atheist ray pwede mo question ka bahin aning ilang Bible nga hinimo ug "Iluminati" , nagtuo tingali sila ug dili ma sakpan Consciousness ang angay gamiton dili kay "tuo nalang Aron Madali".

  3. #673
    Going back to the question ...

    "" Bastos ba ang mag unay or incest? Pero sa biblia dili lagi bastos? Old testament! ""

    hala ha, kung di bastos, suwayi ug unay imong mama. Sa una ra na'y luod masanay raka igkadugayan. lol.

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    @eclipsegenesis Bisan ako bro. ug ang Creator nga nag sugo ug Burn sa usa ka anak mag sugo ug ingon aneh, Aw bisan siya pay creator nako bro. ako jud siyang Tubagon "Kung ako naman lang sunugon akong Anak, Ikaw nalang kahay buhat unya I apil nalang ko sa Pag Sunog"

    Tataw kaau bro. nga ang Ilang Creator Tawo, Walay kalahian sa usa ka Mangingihaw ug Tawo nga myembro sa ISIS.

    Klaro kaayo ang mga O.T nila bro. diha nato ma ilhan kung unsa ka taphaw ang ilang baruganan regarding sa Bible nga ilang gitawag ug Holy nga Hinimo ug Kamot sa Tawo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyGargoyle View Post
    Going back to the question ...

    "" Bastos ba ang mag unay or incest? Pero sa biblia dili lagi bastos? Old testament! ""


    hala ha, kung di bastos, suwayi ug unay imong mama. Sa una ra na'y luod masanay raka igkadugayan. lol.
    Mao ni Baroganan sa Unang Panahon Bro. matud pas mga Christian nga ni Tubag ngari nga Thread. Para Nila bro. Ayus kaau neh nga Paagi kay kuno lageh ang Creator maoy nag Sugo, Graveh ka Iro lageh bro.
    Last edited by Vien; 09-20-2015 at 11:03 PM.

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    out of topic naman ang mga posts diri ui ... nya, unsa man gyud ang incest,

    Bastos or Dili

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyGargoyle View Post
    out of topic naman ang mga posts diri ui ... nya, unsa man gyud ang incest,

    Bastos or Dili
    Nindot kaau sila ug Reply bro. kaning mga Christian nga ni Tubag ngari matud pa nila ay " Sa una wala pa ang Incest nga Term" so sa ato pa safe kaau? hahahahaha Pagka kataw-anan sa Tubag , Wala pa kuno ang Pulong nga Incest sa Una, ang ingon ani nga tubag bro. bisan ang Dili mo basa sa Biblia will chose not to Fack own family member sila pa kaha nga Naka ila man kaha sila sa Ilang Creator? pero kung Iro ang ilang Creator bro. Wala jud koy Question kung mag Iniro Sila ug pagpadaghan.

    Nakahibalo ko bro. nga nagpa George George rani Sila, Ilang gisampongan ang ilang mga Alimpatakan aron dili sila ka Mata sa kamatuoran nga ang ilang gituhoan nga Balaod walay Sayop, Pero I know Deep Inside bro. Nag lagiting nga pangutana usab ang ilang mga kasing kasing ug utok kung ngano neh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyGargoyle View Post
    out of topic naman ang mga posts diri ui ... nya, unsa man gyud ang incest,

    Bastos or Dili
    Brother to Sister

    Based sa mga nabasa naq, incest attraction depends if u grow up together or separately. There's a high change nga if you grow up seperately then you see each other again. There's a possibility of sexual attraction, so it just depends on both sibling if they submit to that feeling. Ayaw lang jud mo pasakop sa inyu parents or relatives, kay lisod na.

    Cousin to Cousin
    In some cases, this is OK for me as long as it's not too distant. 2nd degree cousin at least.

    If you want to read more of incest story try www.reddit.com/r/incest. All types of incest I guess.. Go mga Lannisters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Mao ni Baroganan sa Unang Panahon Bro. matud pas mga Christian nga ni Tubag ngari nga Thread. Para Nila bro. Ayus kaau neh nga Paagi kay kuno lageh ang Creator maoy nag Sugo, Graveh ka Iro lageh bro.
    Incest was a Middle Eastern culture. Kinsay naka agi ug literature nga subject, daghan stories about Egyptian and Babylonian Kings nga ilang gi-minyoan ilang sister or mother. Incest was normal back then because it served them a purpose.

    For the Hebrews, I am not sure if na influence sila sa middle eastern culture, but one thing we know why it happened among the israelites was to propagate their race. Daghan mangamatay sa wars, then lagyo pa ang mga communities. Reproduction WAS a necessity bro, maong uso ang incest. Imagine mag cross pa ka ug disyerto for 5 years para makapanguyab. Some wont bother finding other people and would marry their own sisters or even their own mothers.

    But reading the Old Testament, God was silent about it. For me, incest is only applicable only for extreme cases. I posted earlier na im willing to commit incest if there is a REAL NECESSITY, like apocalypse then kami na lang sa akong paryente ang nabilin.

    INCEST IS DILI BASTOS, but naay fine line: if there is no real necessity, it can become a perversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreyGargoyle View Post
    Incest was a Middle Eastern culture. Kinsay naka agi ug literature nga subject, daghan stories about Egyptian and Babylonian Kings nga ilang gi-minyoan ilang sister or mother. Incest was normal back then because it served them a purpose.

    For the Hebrews, I am not sure if na influence sila sa middle eastern culture, but one thing we know why it happened among the israelites was to propagate their race. Daghan mangamatay sa wars, then lagyo pa ang mga communities. Reproduction WAS a necessity bro, maong uso ang incest. Imagine mag cross pa ka ug disyerto for 5 years para makapanguyab. Some wont bother finding other people and would marry their own sisters or even their own mothers.

    But reading the Old Testament, God was silent about it. For me, incest is only applicable only for extreme cases. I posted earlier na im willing to commit incest if there is a REAL NECESSITY.

    INCEST IS DILI BASTOS, but naay fine line: if there is no real necessity, it can become a perversion.
    Ako bro. I respect your Answer with this since imong tubag is not basing Bible Verses, but for me it's is still Questionable nga if ex: "You were the creator and you distinguish human from animals and the way how human procreate is no difierence from animals? nga pwede ra tirahan ang mama, sister, aunt, etc any family member. Para sa uban tingali dili luod pero para sa Tawo nga nag tuo ug Divine God daku kaau ning Questionabli if ni Exercise sila ug ingon aneh ...

    I will still be on my Stand that INCEST were still be "Lustful and need not to indulge with it"....
    Last edited by Vien; 09-20-2015 at 11:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Nindot kaau sila ug Reply bro. kaning mga Christian nga ni Tubag ngari matud pa nila ay " Sa una wala pa ang Incest nga Term" so sa ato pa safe kaau? hahahahaha Pagka kataw-anan sa Tubag , Wala pa kuno ang Pulong nga Incest sa Una, ang ingon ani nga tubag bro. bisan ang Dili mo basa sa Biblia will chose not to Fack own family member sila pa kaha nga Naka ila man kaha sila sa Ilang Creator? pero kung Iro ang ilang Creator bro. Wala jud koy Question kung mag Iniro Sila ug pagpadaghan.

    Jews and Christian have cultural taboos in committing incest but does not offer any punishment for incest. It was forbidden but no punishment. Catholics do not have this prohibition either, but since this activity falls under adultery (sexual relations outside of marriage), then it is something to be confessed.

    It was the Pagan Romans who prohibited incest. Diocletian, the Pagan Emperor was the one who formally decreed a capital punishment for incest to emphasize traditional Roman Morality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Para sa uban tingali dili luod pero para sa Tawo nga nag tuo ug Divine God daku kaau ning Questionabli if ni Exercise sila ug ingon aneh ...
    Got your point bro. I think because incest falls under adultery, and can be considered a mortal sin for believers.

    Pero kung wa ka nituo sa Simbahan, then let your conscience decide what's best for you.
    If ang uban mo-believe sa teachings sa simbahan, its because their conscience tells them its right.
    way pugsanay ba. Our secular laws still ban this kind of relationship though.

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