Bastos ba ang mag unay or incest? Pero sa biblia dili lagi bastos? Old testament!

[slabdans]

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basaha ra gud imong bible di ba ang naka suwat didto kay "I" meaning inyong creator. di man greed or unsa pa diha

simanga najud unsa man atong topic ani? free will or unsa ba Lol

[Brownman_politiks]

kasabot nko bai.. and dli sa ingon pero, limited ra jd ang imong comprehension ug pag sabot OR you just refuse to accept and "stubborn" to understand.

gamita ra gani kag example, dli man lang nmo ma relate?

ako e fit imong example sa verse nga wa may gisuwat didto nga greed or unsa ba diha? ikaw ang wa mosobay sa inyong bible.

[slabdans]

ako e fit imong example sa verse nga wa may gisuwat didto nga greed or unsa ba diha? ikaw ang wa mosobay sa inyong bible.

ahh biliba hahah bisan bata nga grade 5 makasabot naman siguro ato nga example. pero sige nalang kay murag si Pharaoh najud ni among kaistorya. lisod ng pasabton

[yhokz101]

ako e fit imong example sa verse nga wa may gisuwat didto nga greed or unsa ba diha? ikaw ang wa mosobay sa inyong bible.

Surely kasabot kag gamitan ug example to relate sa unsay similar nahitabo sa story sa bible.

but then you want the exact thing to be found in the bible.. huh? Does that make sense?

From a moment na pina ingon una sa ako question na huwat tubagon tka unya. I thought, ma antigo jd ning tawhana cguro naay unod ang mga sulti cguro ani..pero na bahaw (mau ka ang-gaan ug boy bahaw)

then came these words and interpretations nmo sa among examples and then I was very wrong.

Taman nalan gko diri as much as na lingaw pod ko in a way, but useless ra makig storya nmo if imong ka atbang ani ang comprehension. mag double effort ta ug pasabot maski sa simple na butang.

[Brownman_politiks]

simanga najud unsa man atong topic ani? free will or unsa ba Lol

apil na bitaw na diha, wa lang ka kakuha gud hehe.

let me educate you on some certain exegetic principles... kung kita gani ka anang word nga "I" hilabi na ang mosolti ang ginoo, it means siya ang responsible ana. it may seem nga dunay freewill but sometimes according sa bible ninyo God do sometime over ride man's freewill.

for example , kini ha tagaan ka nako og contrast sa pagboot sa ginoo sa pag pagahi sa kasingkasing ni Pharoah ug ang pag boot sa ginoo sa pagpahomok sa kasingkasing sa mga Israelitas. paminaw...

Ezekiel 36 : 22 -Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.


mana ka ug basa?

karun... naka sala ang Israel, dako kaayo nga sala ilang nabuhat , ang clue kung nganong dako ilang sala can be seen by the used of the word profaned.

karun unsay gibuhat sa ginoo? verse 26 and 27 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.


so inspite of using their will to profane god's name ang inyong c reator by HIS WILL gave them a stone of flesh, wala niya gipagahi.

kita mo? gi over ride niya ang freewill.


karun sa case ni Pharoah , same thing ... nganong iya man gi pagahi, nga puede ra man ta diay pahomokon.

so lesson is pagboot na sa inyong creator. why cant you accept that fact?

[4s gadgets]

Angay jud unta bro. Wala jud untay Personalay or bully bah.... Kay we exercise freedom man unta hope nga dili lang e personal ang mga tubag.

Wala kunoy personalay but pag start lang sa thread and ang iya mga responses kay namersonal na, walay respeto sa uban nganhi nga nituo sa ilang beliefs.

tubagon ka nako gamay ha, gamay lang kay masoko ra ba ka kung naa ko ikatubag.


so nakuha ang akong motor kay di nako ihatag ang halin sa baboy.

pero ang tinood diay di nako mahatag kay gi pagahi man sa ginoo gud akong kasing kasing.

HAHAHAH ahaka ani nga tubag ue, gipasanginlan man nuon ang GINOO nganong nakuha ang iyang motor nga naa man unta siya freewill nga ihatag ang halin.

@VEiN
-I'm also seeking for the truth, naglibog gali ko kung unsay tuohan pero di man ko ing-ana klase sa pangutok nga mangbastos sa lain nga relihiyon.

[Brownman_politiks]

Surely kasabot kag gamitan ug example to relate sa unsay similar nahitabo sa story sa bible.

but then you want the exact thing to be found in the bible.. huh? Does that make sense?

From a moment na pina ingon una sa ako question na huwat tubagon tka unya. I thought, ma antigo jd ning tawhana cguro naay unod ang mga sulti cguro ani..pero na bahaw (mau ka ang-gaan ug boy bahaw)

then came these words and interpretations nmo sa among examples and then I was very wrong.

Taman nalan gko diri as much as na lingaw pod ko in a way, but useless ra makig storya nmo if imong ka atbang ani ang comprehension. mag double effort ta ug pasabot maski sa simple na butang.

what you want cant be done because it goes against a certain principle of exegesis, w/c I think you never had the chance to learn.

[Brownman_politiks]

Wala kunoy personalay but pag start lang sa thread and ang iya mga responses kay namersonal na, walay respeto sa uban nganhi nga nituo sa ilang beliefs.



HAHAHAH ahaka ani nga tubag ue, gipasanginlan man nuon ang GINOO nganong nakuha ang iyang motor nga naa man unta siya freewill nga ihatag ang halin.

@VEiN
-I'm also seeking for the truth, naglibog gali ko kung unsay tuohan pero di man ko ing-ana klase sa pangutok nga mangbastos sa lain nga relihiyon.

unya lang sa ka nako tubagon bai ha. kay murag nag google ba ang mga maayong laki.

ang problema nga akong gihatag nila wa man gud ni nakasulat sa mga website nga ilang adtoon para magpa laban sila. mao ng madugay dugay sigoro sila og tobag.

[firehawk]

Basta mga bro. Wala nako makita ninyo nga naka mata mo sa akong pangutana , abi man gud nako naay naka mata wala man diay hehehe sige nalang next Thread napud hehehehehe

@Vien, bro you mean to say you asked a particular question pero dili answer imong gi-expect? correct me if I'm wrong lang ha, you are expecting for a reaction and not an answer, sakto ba?

And since answer ang gihatag sa imo dili kay reaction just like imong gi-expect from us na just by reading the question mo ana sad mi "ah kabastos jud sa creator sakto kaayo si vien", you resorted to "lalis" aron lang makuha imo point and maka mata ang mga tawo? mao ba na bro vien?

If so, murag maglisod ka ana na style kay you can never persuade someone forcefully with the use of strong words to discredit their "creator". Maayo pa kung naghatag kag references nganong mao ang imong perception about the "creator". Malay mo lang naay maka mata sa imong mahatag na references.

In all honesty abi na ko you are just asking a question and you are eager to know kung unsa jud ang right answer. Maayo pag wala nalang ka nangutana, imo nalang unta gidiretso ang gusto nimo i-point out about sa "creator". Basin karon nidaghan na imong followers.

Again bad and ineffective move bro. Mao diay bisag unsa ang tubag sa uban diri lahi imong reaction kay ang imo diay gusto makapangutana sad mi sa imong question ug amo sad tamayon and "creator". tsk tsk tsk....

[slabdans]

apil na bitaw na diha, wa lang ka kakuha gud hehe.

let me educate you on some certain exegetic principles... kung kita gani ka anang word nga "I" hilabi na ang mosolti ang ginoo, it means siya ang responsible ana. it may seem nga dunay freewill but sometimes according sa bible ninyo God do sometime over ride man's freewill.

for example , kini ha tagaan ka nako og contrast sa pagboot sa ginoo sa pag pagahi sa kasingkasing ni Pharoah ug ang pag boot sa ginoo sa pagpahomok sa kasingkasing sa mga Israelitas. paminaw...

Ezekiel 36 : 22 -Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.


mana ka ug basa?

karun... naka sala ang Israel, dako kaayo nga sala ilang nabuhat , ang clue kung nganong dako ilang sala can be seen by the used of the word profaned.

karun unsay gibuhat sa ginoo? verse 26 and 27 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.


so inspite of using their will to profane god's name ang inyong c reator by HIS WILL gave them a stone of flesh, wala niya gipagahi.

kita mo? gi over ride niya ang freewill.


karun sa case ni Pharoah , same thing ... nganong iya man gi pagahi, nga puede ra man ta diay pahomokon.

so lesson is pagboot na sa inyong creator. why cant you accept that fact?

the people mention from the book of Ezekiel was not like Pharaoh are acting like god himself in the book of exodus its a different story.

let me also educate you..ako nalang putol putolon ang verses kay sure ko dili gihapon ka mobasa kung ako ng tas-on.

exodus 2:23
²³ During that long period, the king of Egypt died. The Israelites groaned in their slavery and cried out, and their cry for help because of their slavery went up to God. ²⁴ God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob. ²⁵ So God looked on the Israelites and was concerned about them.

then contenue reading exodus 3 and so forth.. but I Highlighted this verse

Exosdus 3:7-12

⁷ The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. ⁸ So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. ⁹ And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them. ¹⁰ So now, go. I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt.”

¹¹ But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”
¹² And God said, “I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you^[b] will worship God on this mountain.”



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please continue reading until you rich Exodus Chapter 9 MR smart man di nako kinahanglan mo explain pa guro ana kay naka explain na mismo nga chapter why it was happen. talking about free will? you must read that chapters. taas but you must.

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