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  1. #691

    Quote Originally Posted by ondoy View Post
    questions:
    1.)unsay naa sa mary joana nga makatambal man?
    2.)unsa nga sakit iyang matambalan?
    3.)if ma legal,unsa klase nga legal? legal to use with prescription o legal to use like yosi?
    4.)kining gusto ma legal naa diayni sila sakit ky ngano gusto man ma legal o gusto lang ni sila ma high-way to hell
    answers (read previous posts):
    1. THC and CBD are the most studied substances in Cannabis plant that produce therapeutic effects.
    2. Multiple Sclerosis, Many types of Cancer, Parkinsons, Musculo skeletal disorders, Hiv/ aids, Epilepsy, Bipolar, Diabetes, Anxiety, Depression, Pain, Alzheimers, COPD... Cannabis can be used as primary treatment or adjunct with other therapies.
    3. Legal with prescription and for recreational use like yosi, personally speaking ( read my previous post tackling multiple angles on the issue).
    4. sum up the total number of people suffering from all the diseases in number 2, those are the people will benefit. someday, anyone can get any of those diseases... why deny a viable option for treatment? this is the very point, Canadian Federal Government eased its cannabis prohibition.

  2. #692
    Quote Originally Posted by Brownman_politiks View Post
    and still this semantics can't negate the fact that it can cause addictive behavior. Wa pa man ko kita og tao nga mangawat kay na addict sa asukar og caffeine.

    Marijuana can also caused impaired judgment, memory impairment, can alter behavior, can cause depression.

    wa pa sab ko kita og diabetic nga na rehab kay na addik sa asukar og kaha kape.

    see how useless the semantics purported by people who are paid to sell this idea to the public when it is pitted against reality.
    those are not semantics. those are not assumptions. We do not deny cannabis has its own risk but to conclude 9% occurence rate of dependence is hardly addictive. obesity is the effect of sugar addiction, which leads to heart and cardiovascular problems, which leads to MI or stroke. Do stroke patients undergo rehab? yes. do stroke patients have impaired judgement? yes. Does it alter their memory? yes. you see, we dont ban substances because of its risks alone. much of it lies on personal choice, like even if alcohol is very dangerous, we dont ban it, instead we regulate. We also dont ban medications because of its risks, like chemotherapeutic agents causing secondary cancer, but we leave it to doctor-patient relationship with a protocol as guide. why not cannabis?

    cannabis side effects are dose and quality dependent. just as 3% alcohol cannot affect mental functions, a thc less than 0.3% cannot cause any of the effects you mentioned. tripping on cannabis is mostly due to second guessing the strength of street cannabis purchase. if legalized, then its contents can be regulated and correctly labeled.

    but the moral argument prohibitionist evade to answer is "who the hell are you to deny a patient on accessing cannabis for his own life? whose life is on the line?"

    In Charlottes Figis case, would you really let the child seize in catatonic state 75% of her everyday life?
    Last edited by emow; 06-08-2015 at 04:47 PM.

  3. #693
    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    answers (read previous posts):
    1. THC and CBD are the most studied substances in Cannabis plant that produce therapeutic effects.
    2. Multiple Sclerosis, Many types of Cancer, Parkinsons, Musculo skeletal disorders, Hiv/ aids, Epilepsy, Bipolar, Diabetes, Anxiety, Depression, Pain, Alzheimers, COPD... Cannabis can be used as primary treatment or adjunct with other therapies.
    3. Legal with prescription and for recreational use like yosi, personally speaking ( read my previous post tackling multiple angles on the issue).
    4. sum up the total number of people suffering from all the diseases in number 2, those are the people will benefit. someday, anyone can get any of those diseases... why deny a viable option for treatment? this is the very point, Canadian Federal Government eased its cannabis prohibition.
    e explain daw ug detalye nang imong answer #1 beh,medically chemically ug uban pa...ug ngano makcure man cya saimong gipang mention anang #2

  4. #694
    Quote Originally Posted by ondoy View Post
    e explain daw ug detalye nang imong answer #1 beh,medically chemically ug uban pa...ug ngano makcure man cya saimong gipang mention anang #2
    there are sources online that you can check on your own really. I said Cannabis being used as treatment, not necessarily only cure. It can be used as primary treatment or adjunct treatment, and pallative for terminal cases.

    there exist a system, Endocannabinoid System, in human body that intertwine with other systems, especially the nervous system. Endogenous cannabinoids are being produced in minimal amounts, and cannabidiol receptors exists in many cells and organs in the body. CB1 and CB2 receptors can be found in the Central and Peripheral nervous system and other cells like Mast cells (inflammatory response)That is why, cannabis can provide therpautic effects on pain (receptors found in cns and pns), inflammation, appetite( hypothalamus)and mood regulation (limbic system). diseases involving these systems include Alzheimers, Parkinsons, PTSD (assoc with low levels of endocannabinoid anandamide), Musculo skeletal disorders, Anorexia, muscle wasting in Cancer and HIV patients,autoimmune disorders and many more.

    Its anti cancer effects is brough about by CBD and THC acting on the receptors found in mutating cells. After attaching, they induce apoptysis, causing cell death. (note: cancer cells are mutated cells failing to self destruct, a defense mechanism in normal cells). Cannabinoids can decrease tumor size, prevent metastasis and hematogenesis of cancer cells, cancer cell elimination, and or prevent certain types of cancer altogether.

    Cannabis plant has over 80 cannabinoid compounds, and together they provide the most benefit. THC based pharmaceutical products, derived from cannabis, like Sativex and Marinol are not as effective as using the natural plant although they also provide some therapeutic effects.

    for more detailed pharmacokinetics of each cannabinoid, search the web.

  5. #695
    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    the anecdotal evidence i presented corroborates the fact that Canada has allowed medical marijuana prescription as early as 2000. Although federal agencies do not endorse marijuana use yet, they allow acces if the patient wants it. @slabs, you're getting pathetic... or being deliberately obtuse. you have not shown any argument that could credit any form of intelligence, coupled with subpar comprehension, i pity that the only recourse you must take is through ridicule just to save face... the fact of the matter is, our side have provided sufficient logical reasoning in favor of cannabis legalization, instead of one liners, and inconsistent application of logic.

    read the following:



    MMPR Canada Guide: 25 Questions & Answers


    A new medical marijuana program officially began on April 1. Here are 25 answers to commonly asked questions about the MMPR.

    1. Is medical marijuana legal in Canada?

    Yes. Medical marijuana became legal in 2000, when a landmark court ruling overturned the prohibition of marijuana for medical purposes. Since then, numerous court decisions have forced Health Canada to create and adapt federal laws for patients who need medical marijuana.

    2. What is the MMPR?

    The MMPR (Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations) is the new set of rules for growing, buying and selling medical marijuana in Canada. It outlines a system for doctors, patients and large-scale commercial growers. These growers are called Licensed Producers.

    The MMPR is Health Canada’s first attempt at a commercial industry for medical marijuana. The MMPR replaces the previous rules of the MMAR (Marihuana Medical Access Regulations), which were officially repealed on March 31, 2014.

    3. What was the MMAR?

    Prior to the new rules, the MMAR outlined a system for doctors, patients and non-commercial growers. The MMAR allowed patients to grow for themselves or designate an individual to grow for them. Health Canada was the only source of medical marijuana for patients that wished to purchase it.

    4. Why the switch?

    Health Canada was under pressure from courts to improve access to medical marijuana. The new program makes it easier for patients to join and provides them with more product choices.

    Health Canada also wanted to ban legal home grows, which have skyrocketed in recent years. However, the ban was controversial and has been temporarily overturned by a court injunction.

    5. How do I sign up for the MMPR?

    Patients wishing to access medical marijuana no longer need to contact Health Canada. Instead, the responsibility of authorizing patients falls entirely on doctors.

    In order to purchase medical marijuana from a Licensed Producer, patients need to have a medical document, which is similar to a prescription.

    6. How many Canadians use medical marijuana?

    Nearly 40,000 patients across the country are authorized to use medical marijuana. This number is expected to reach upwards of 400,000 over the next ten years.

    The vast majority of current patients obtained their authorizations under the MMAR. Although the MMAR has been repealed, these patients can still sign up with a Licensed Producer using their old authorizations.

    Doctors

    7. What is the role of doctors in the MMPR?

    Doctors are now the sole gatekeepers of medical marijuana. Patients who wish to access medical marijuana need to obtain a medical document from a doctor or nurse practitioner.

    8. What does the medical document cover?

    The medical document covers basic information such as the daily amount needed and the condition being treated. In this regard, it is similar to a prescription.

    A sample medical document can be accessed on Health Canada’s website.

    9. How many doctors support medical marijuana?

    More than 5,000 doctors have written a recommendation for medical marijuana in the past. This represents about 7% of all doctors in the country.

    10. What conditions can marijuana be prescribed for?

    The MMPR allows medical marijuana to be recommended as a treatment for any condition. But there are no official guidelines on its use for specific conditions.

    Under the old program, conditions were split into categories and patients with certain conditions were required to obtain support from multiple doctors.

    Patients

    11. How do I get a medical document?

    Besides requesting one from your family physician, there are a number of clinics that specifically cater to medical marijuana. Many offer both in-person and online appointments.

    Patients may need to pay out of the pocket expenses for these services. Typical costs for an online appointment range from $200-400.

    12. Where do I buy medical marijuana?

    Licensed Producers are the only legal source of medical marijuana under the MMPR. The MMPR also prohibits storefronts and dispensaries, meaning that all sales must be done online or by phone. Orders are delivered to patients by mail.

    13. How much does medical marijuana cost?

    Under the MMPR, Licensed Producers are given full control over prices. Current prices range from $5-12 per gram, with some producers offering discounts for low-income patients. Prices are expected to drop as the program matures.

    14. Can I buy edibles, tinctures or other forms of medical marijuana?

    The MMPR only allows dried marijuana to be sold. The sale of all other forms of medical marijuana is prohibited.

    However, a B.C. judge previously overturned a similar law and a group of patients have already launched a constitutional challenge against the MMPR’s ban on non-dried forms of marijuana.

    15. What happens if I want to grow my own?

    The MMPR prohibits anyone other than Licensed Producers from growing marijuana. But this rule has been temporarily reversed by a federal court injunction.

    The injunction allows growers with a license from the old program to continue growing until a trial is heard. The upcoming trial will challenge the ban on residential grows and is expected to take place in early 2015.

    16. How do I find the right strain?

    There are no official guidelines on what strains of marijuana are better for specific conditions. However, some Licensed Producers offer strain recommendations based on patient feedback.

    Licensed Producers

    17. Who are the Licensed Producers?

    Licensed Producers are companies that have been authorized by Health Canada to grow and sell medical marijuana under the new program.

    Many are start-up businesses headed by entrepreneurs with diverse backgrounds. A few Licensed Producers were formed by existing medical marijuana companies, such as Holland-based Bedrocan and former Health Canada supplier Prairie Plant Systems.

    18. How many Licensed Producers are there?

    As of April 1, there are 12 Licensed Producers listed on Health Canada’s website. Four of them currently have product available for sale: Bedrocan, CanniMed, Mettrum and Peace Naturals Project.

    19. How do I register with a Licensed Producer?

    After obtaining a medical document, patients can register with a Licensed Producer of their choice. The registration process is different for each Licensed Producer, but typically involves submitting a registration form and validating the medical document.

    20. Can I sign up with more than one Licensed Producer?

    Yes, but it’s complicated. Patients are permitted to register with more than one Licensed Producer, but a separate medical document must be submitted for each, meaning that a doctor will have to issue multiple medical documents and split the daily amount of marijuana between them.

    21. How do I become a Licensed Producer?

    Becoming a Licensed Producer involves applying through Health Canada. It is an expensive and time-consuming process, since the rules for growing and selling medical marijuana are strict and require a sizeable investment.

    But Health Canada predicts the MMPR will generate roughly $1.3 billion in yearly sales by 2024. Likewise, the industry has already become very competitive. Since last summer, Health Canada has received over 600 applications from hopeful Licensed Producers.

    Health Canada

    22. What is Health Canada’s position on medical marijuana?

    Health Canada states that it “does not endorse the use of marijuana” and that “marijuana is not an approved drug or medicine.” But “courts have required reasonable access to a legal source of marijuana for medical purposes,” which is why a federal program exists.

    23. Why is marijuana not an approved drug?

    Like the FDA, Health Canada is responsible for reviewing and approving all new drugs. Typically, pharmaceutical companies are required to submit extensive clinical trial data to have a drug approved.

    Health Canada states that it has not approved marijuana as a prescription drug because it “has not gone through the necessary rigorous scientific trials for efficacy or safety.” Although some clinical data exists, no company or government agency has funded large-scale trials on medical marijuana.

    24. What resources does Health Canada provide?

    Along with the MMPR, Health Canada recently published a review of the evidence surrounding marijuana’s use as a medicine. The review can be accessed on Health Canada’s website and covers dosing, potential therapeutic uses, precautions and adverse effects.

    Health Canada is planning to provide an additional document on medical marijuana “to help support doctors and nurse practitioners in making decisions.”

    25. What initiatives is Health Canada undertaking?

    On March 31, Health Canada announced an initiative to “address common concerns around the use of marijuana as a treatment.”

    According to the department, this involves working with Licensed Producers and provincial doctor and nurse licensing bodies to monitor “how doctors and nurse practitioners are authorizing the use of marijuana.”
    Lol its not an avidence, its just a hearsay. Without proof. Why? Who is that phisician who issued that prescription. 2 who is the patient, three were is the medical records that your certain mother in law has been diagnosed by cancer and be cured 6months after she took that canabis treatment. See the difference? The more you claim that you are smart the more you became fool. Why? Because you are believing on something that has not beem showing any physical facts

  6. #696
    Quote Originally Posted by slabs17 View Post
    Lol its not an avidence, its just a hearsay. Without proof. Why? Who is that phisician who issued that prescription. 2 who is the patient, three were is the medical records that your certain mother in law has been diagnosed by cancer and be cured 6months after she took that canabis treatment. See the difference? The more you claim that you are smart the more you became fool. Why? Because you are believing on something that has not beem showing any physical facts
    if this was a judicial hearing, no problem, i could request her medical records for that purpose. but for open forum, her first hand account is sufficient to prove a point that indeed cannabis is being prescribed as medication. Patient Records are strictly confidential, so you know, maybe you need to be oreinted in handling patient records. you even need a court order at times.you see slabs, i dunno which school you got your education, but what you are doing is just evading the argument. you create conditions upon conditions that are unrealistic hoping to avoid the argument. the ball is on your court now, but i really dont expect anything more from you other than childish banters and subpar intellectual expression. i dont claim im smart, i am clearly saying though that you are stupid, just in case you havent read between the lines.

    here are the facts that you should have considered: is canada allowing medicinal prescription of cannabis? are patients able to get medicinal cannabis? how widespread is the prescription of medicinal cannabis in canada?

    those are legitimate questions of which you can check canada's federal health agency's website. if canada is not allowing medicinal cannabis, then i would be proven to be lying. No records necessary, dont you think? God, what college did you come from?

  7. #697
    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    if this was a judicial hearing, no problem, i could request her medical records for that purpose. but for open forum, her first hand account is sufficient to prove a point that indeed cannabis is being prescribed as medication. Patient Records are strictly confidential, so you know, maybe you need to be oreinted in handling patient records. you even need a court order at times.you see slabs, i dunno which school you got your education, but what you are doing is just evading the argument. you create conditions upon conditions that are unrealistic hoping to avoid the argument. the ball is on your court now, but i really dont expect anything more from you other than childish banters and subpar intellectual expression. i dont claim im smart, i am clearly saying though that you are stupid, just in case you havent read between the lines.

    here are the facts that you should have considered: is canada allowing medicinal prescription of cannabis? are patients able to get medicinal cannabis? how widespread is the prescription of medicinal cannabis in canada?

    those are legitimate questions of which you can check canada's federal health agency's website. if canada is not allowing medicinal cannabis, then i would be proven to be lying. No records necessary, dont you think? God, what college did you come from?
    Then your claim was just a hearsy. Bisan magcunsa kag yawit wala gihaponbay basis ug unsa pana ka taas imo gipangyawit. Kibaw kag ngano? Ang mga tawo dili na amaw nga molahos lang ug tuo sa butang nga way ebedensya. Tabla rata ani ug nag hisgot ug ungo2x

  8. #698
    Quote Originally Posted by slabs17 View Post
    Then your claim was just a hearsy. Bisan magcunsa kag yawit wala gihaponbay basis ug unsa pana ka taas imo gipangyawit. Kibaw kag ngano? Ang mga tawo dili na amaw nga molahos lang ug tuo sa butang nga way ebedensya. Tabla rata ani ug nag hisgot ug ungo2x
    let the people speak for themselves then. i find it so desperate of you claiming to know what others would think. you are now using things beyond your control as a counter argument. you are losing ground, everytime you counter, you expose your stupidity. its not really your fault if you cannot comprehend the things i have posted, stupidity is inborn afterall. some people are born short, some people are born ugly, and some people are just born stupid.. its an arbitrary chance of nature, damn nature. you can still hold your head high knowing that its not your fault, be the best stupid you can be... ignorance can be cured though.

    regardless, i find something worthwhile in what you are doing, you help keep pushing the thread up. However, any iota of my respect for any value of what you are posting is gone.

  9. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    1. wow, following through with the red herring argument. splendidly stupid.
    As george carlin warned, never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level then beat you down with experience.
    red herring? unsa may naka misleading sa akong gisulti? ingun ko wa pa jud diay ka kasuway maski usa ka yop2x, therefore you don't and couldn't possibly know everything there is about addiction to pot. plain and simple diba?

    ayos ra man nang mu istorya ka sa imung side, opinion and the likes.. pero ayaw ug tawga ug stupid, idiot ug uban pa ang mga kaistorya nimu nga dili mu agree sa imung point of view, with that being said, you merit a report for violating forum rule number 2 which states "Posts should be composed in such a manner that respects persons of all races, religions, cultures, and sexualities. No post may contain personal attacks, as they have no proper place in discussions. The purpose of this forum is to facilitate growth, not to belittle others. This also applies to Private Messages and the Shoutbox entries. Attack the Opinion not the Person."

    boss @SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 palihug ko ug review sa mga posts ni emow.
    see posts in #633 , #638 and #698 for reference. matsalams!

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    2. awww, he thinks there is no distinction and makes fun of my correct statement. yes, there can be confusion with addiction and dependence but to conclude that they are synonymous is not accurate by any measure. Addiction vs Physical Dependence - Important distinction. read and be aware. your ignorance is forgivable.
    ok, granted they're not the same. why did the NIDA site used "ADDICTION"
    and not "dependent"?
    "Research suggests that about 1 in 11 users becomes addicted to marijuana (Anthony, 1994; Lopez-Quintero 2011).This number increases among those who start as teens (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among people who use marijuana daily (to 25-50 percent) (Hall, 2009a; Hall, 2009b)."

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    3. wow, you used NIDA? you can show it to slabs regarding cannabis medicinal use... okay, now we have indeed established the 9% as factual, since you posted a NIDA link. does the figure 9% qualify to what you repeatedly said as highly addictive than alcohol? why dont you search for alcohol addiction rate in NIDA and compare it with cannabis? heads up, it will direct you to another Federal Agency which deals with alcohol alone. oops, what does that imply? alcohol is far more widespread and problematic.
    ok, alcohol is more addictive than weed in terms of percentage then as per "current" statistics.
    however, that statistic is not entirely reliable to answer the question whether alcohol is really more addictive than marijuana because there are only 4 states in the US that legalized the recreational use of marijuana while all states legalized the recreational use of alcohol plus most contries banned marijuana's recreational use and legalized recreational alcohol.. so natural, mas taas jud ug addiction rate ang alcohol.
    ingun ka "alcohol is far more widespread and problematic. " dili bro, alcohol is more problematic tungod kay mas widespread siya..huwata lang nga malegalize ang recreational weed, ambut ug mao ba kaha gihapun ang results.
    ang question diri run is why would we wanna add one more addictive substance in the mix? so are you willing to risk 8.9 million(9% of the total population) potentially pot addicts for your cause ?

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    4. this is a forum. ( dude, are you really pettyfogging the discussion?)
    nope and would you really rather have me talking about my conversation with someone else in this forum while replying to your post? pag sure diha brad.
    like i said, kita nag istorya so istorya ta bahin sa atong giistoryahan otherwise wrong number ka..Lol kana nuon muy pettyfogging kay irrelevant man na ilang opinion sa specifics sa atong discussion. wa man ko mu against anang medical use for weeds, so why the heck would you bring that up in our conversation?
    yeah this is a forum so anyone can join in our conversation..pero wa na nagpasabut nga istorya sa uban imung ihansak diri sa atong istorya just because this is a forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    5. "mao btaw nga ang straight answer sa imung question nga "are all cannabis psychoactive" YES akong tubag...sativa, indica ug hybrid or unsa pa na diha...pwede na hithiton tanan ug dunay epekto sa utok..although lahi2x na sila ug purpose ang usa ana pang downers while ang isa kay pang pa creative kunohay(short term effects lang na tanan).."
    - this is just being deliberately stupid. you will find out why, as you have mentioned Cannabis Sativa, try exploring on that info. you'll feel stupid for making generalizing claims. Canada and UK at least made a clear distinction.
    2 main differences between indica and sativa other than their appearance would be their effects, ang Indica kay pang downers,meaning pampa relax while ang sativa will cause the person to be more energetic..mao ni akong giingun nga pang pa creative2x. next is that indica contains more THC and less CBD while sativa is the other way around...but regardless of the differences mentioned above, both are still psychoactive(meaning it affects the mind) but it doesn't mean that all components/parts of cannabis are.
    palihug daw ko ug share diri ug unsay naka stupid anang akong gisulti?
    Last edited by noy; 06-09-2015 at 12:16 AM.

  10. #700
    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    let the people speak for themselves then. i find it so desperate of you claiming to know what others would think. you are now using things beyond your control as a counter argument. you are losing ground, everytime you counter, you expose your stupidity. its not really your fault if you cannot comprehend the things i have posted, stupidity is inborn afterall. some people are born short, some people are born ugly, and some people are just born stupid.. its an arbitrary chance of nature, damn nature. you can still hold your head high knowing that its not your fault, be the best stupid you can be... ignorance can be cured though.

    regardless, i find something worthwhile in what you are doing, you help keep pushing the thread up. However, any iota of my respect for any value of what you are posting is gone.
    wrong. Our ground here is to question why marijuana is illegal in ph. Now i give you my point of views and you give yours. But you have to give us a valid evidence noy just a speculations and hearsays. By that you are the only one here whp looses grounds

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