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  1. #31

    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    I think not. Passive taxable Income simply means "Income" not the other way around. Ang imo nuon pagpalit naa gyud na tax(if nagsunod sa balaod - meaning with receipt..etc.)

    pero pagbayad nimo, dili na gyud na imoha nga kwarta ky naa nmn nimo ang bugas. So you think bugas ang taxable? sa ato pa 10% sa bugas imo ihatag sa BIR pra maapil ka nga sa mga taxpayer.?. Dili, so ang kwarta nga gibayad nimo iyaha na to sa nagbaligya w/c is gatawag nga halin. So halin means income..

    so ang nkahalin mao ang nagbayad ug tax dili ang nagpalit.
    consumers pay the vat, not the business. To illustrate, product A costs 50, vat included est around 10%. Breakdown, cogs 30, vat 5, profit 15. Lets say, vat is increased by law to 20%. So lets say cogs remains the same 30, profit may remain the same at 15 but vat will now be at 11, which now increases the price to 56... this simple illustration has a profound implication, all taxes aimed at businesses, inspite of how it is worded, will always be passed on to the consumers. Businesses indirectly act as collectiOn agencies....income taxes of employees are withheld by business, value added taxes likewise are withheld by businesses.
    Last edited by emow; 04-18-2015 at 07:45 AM.

  2. #32
    If poor people are lawmakers, taxation will be pro-poor.
    Unfortunately, lawmakers are rich people, businessmen, hence they make laws that will BENEFIT them.

  3. #33
    Taxation shouldnt be treated as a source for affirmative action.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    I think not. Passive taxable Income simply means "Income" not the other way around. Ang imo nuon pagpalit naa gyud na tax(if nagsunod sa balaod - meaning with receipt..etc.)

    pero pagbayad nimo, dili na gyud na imoha nga kwarta ky naa nmn nimo ang bugas. So you think bugas ang taxable? sa ato pa 10% sa bugas imo ihatag sa BIR pra maapil ka nga sa mga taxpayer.?. Dili, so ang kwarta nga gibayad nimo iyaha na to sa nagbaligya w/c is gatawag nga halin. So halin means income..

    so ang nkahalin mao ang nagbayad ug tax dili ang nagpalit.
    fyi, ang bugas is VAT-exempt, so wala nay tax nga i passed-on sa end-consumers sama nato.

    my own example, si Juan nga istambay, nagpalit ug diaper sa iyang anak sa Mercury Drug Store. Supposing ang presyo sa diaper is P112.00. Ang current VAT rate nato is 12% man, and VAT is a passed-on tax, meaning will be included in the price but the end-consumer will pay for it. Si Juan nagbayad ug P100.00 original price sa diaper + P12.00 nga VAT. Bisan na wala siya income nga gikuhaan ug tax, dili gihapon siya kalusot ug bayad ug tax kay sa presyo palang daan, apli naman ang tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    Taxation shouldnt be treated as a source for affirmative action.
    bro, murag lawm kaayo para nako, care to expound what "affirmative action" is? thanks.

  5. #35
    the basic idea of affirmative action is to "level" the playing field of the "misfortuned", be it by social status,race or ***. more often, to level a playing field means pouring in tax money, or forcing private entities to give up a degree of freedom to accomodate the affirmative action with a threat of legal liabilities. Misfortuned can be described according to what is considered politically popular at a given time. Progressives is the term used to describe people who believe or advance the idea of affirmative action. Example of affirmative action is senior citizens discount, solo parents discount? In US, racial quotas in university admissions of students and teachers, etc...

  6. #36
    "for me I dont complain the tax, but my question is where is the budget"

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Stoic View Post
    fyi, ang bugas is VAT-exempt, so wala nay tax nga i passed-on sa end-consumers sama nato.

    my own example, si Juan nga istambay, nagpalit ug diaper sa iyang anak sa Mercury Drug Store. Supposing ang presyo sa diaper is P112.00. Ang current VAT rate nato is 12% man, and VAT is a passed-on tax, meaning will be included in the price but the end-consumer will pay for it. Si Juan nagbayad ug P100.00 original price sa diaper + P12.00 nga VAT. Bisan na wala siya income nga gikuhaan ug tax, dili gihapon siya kalusot ug bayad ug tax kay sa presyo palang daan, apli naman ang tax.
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    well, its true. Tanan nimo gipalit naay vat, included na na..

    what I'm referring to is about comparing non-taxpayer ug ang taxpayer..

    In your example after ka nibayad sa imo diaper (100.00+12.00 vat) , does Php12.00 reflects to your ITR?
    No. It is because business collects it out from their SOLD ITEM not from you.. they are the one filing their VAT returns to BIR.

    Though ang mga empleyado wala gyud ni direkta ug bayad sa BIR ky auto deduct nmn na sa ilaha, pero ni reflect na sa ila ITR ky that simply means naa cla taxable income, so, ang company/business na ang ng forward ana...

    Take this for example,.
    Gitagaan c juan nga istambay sa iyang mama ug 112.00 to buy diaper gihapon (ky nhurot na ang permiro gipalit ),
    Kana nga 112.00 parte na sa sweldo (income) sa imohang mama.. kana nga income, gikuhaan na ug VAT before pa niya na dawat.

    So you think c juan nga istambay nga gitagaan ra ug kwarta pra palit is now a taxpayer ?

    Also, FYI, only "Rice subsidy" is entitled for tax exemption under certain conditions... dili exempted ang namaligya..

  8. #38
    pagsabot nimo bro, ang sukdanan sa atong pagka taxpayer is ang nag file ug ITR mao bitaw na taxpayer, coming from tax meaning buwis ug payer ang nagbayad. dili man mo matter bro kung asa ang source sa imo gibayad sa tax to be considered a taxpayer. by paying alone taxes (local or national), you are still considered a taxpayer.

    regarding sa rice subsidy nga imo gipasabot bro. basin sa de minimis benefits na imo pasabot nga "rice allowance" nga ihatag sa empleyado, exempt na pero subject to limitations. sakto na nga dili exempted ang namaligya ug rice sa income tax pero sa VAT 1000% sure gyud ko nga exempted na sila,hehe.

    fyi naka-examine nako ug rice and corn dealers, mao na ila taxes, ug nagtrabaho pud ko sa Kawanihan ng Rentas Internas.

  9. #39
    Ang nakalahi sa VAT ug income tax kay ang VAT is included in the price so ordinarily unless nga nitpick ka wa jud ka ga think nga gabayad ka ug tax imo ra think nga part sa siya sa price. Ang income tax kay makita nimu imo gross salary, for example 15,000 unya makita pod imo tax mga 1,500 nga gi deduct sa imo salary so ma feel nimu ang ouch labi pag need nimu extra money for your expenses.

    So si Kadyo nga estambay nga gapalit ug diaper tinuod ga bayad pud ug tax pero indirectly ra, while si John nga employee gabayad na ug VAT gabayad pa jud ug income tax. Si Henry Sy pod gabayad ug income tax pero ang iya VAT iya ra ipasa sa iya mga customers nga mamalit sa SM. Mao na ang mga middle class nga parehas ni John ang grave nga gasagubang aning taxation.
    Last edited by rickflag; 04-18-2015 at 04:17 PM.

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Stoic View Post
    pagsabot nimo bro, ang sukdanan sa atong pagka taxpayer is ang nag file ug ITR mao bitaw na taxpayer, coming from tax meaning buwis ug payer ang nagbayad. dili man mo matter bro kung asa ang source sa imo gibayad sa tax to be considered a taxpayer. by paying alone taxes (local or national), you are still considered a taxpayer.

    regarding sa rice subsidy nga imo gipasabot bro. basin sa de minimis benefits na imo pasabot nga "rice allowance" nga ihatag sa empleyado, exempt na pero subject to limitations. sakto na nga dili exempted ang namaligya ug rice sa income tax pero sa VAT 1000% sure gyud ko nga exempted na sila,hehe.

    fyi naka-examine nako ug rice and corn dealers, mao na ila taxes, ug nagtrabaho pud ko sa Kawanihan ng Rentas Internas.
    Quote Originally Posted by rickflag View Post
    Ang nakalahi sa VAT ug income tax kay ang VAT is included in the price so ordinarily unless nga nitpick ka wa jud ka ga think nga gabayad ka ug tax imo ra think nga part sa siya sa price. Ang income tax kay makita nimu imo gross salary, for example 15,000 unya makita pod imo tax mga 1,500 nga gi deduct sa imo salary so ma feel nimu ang ouch labi pag need nimu extra money for your expenses.

    So si Kadyo nga estambay nga gapalit ug diaper tinuod ga bayad pud ug tax pero indirectly ra, while si John nga employee gabayad na ug VAT gabayad pa jud ug income tax.
    ah...okay.. got it mga bro,.salamat..
    mao mn gud to explanation sa mga businessman and uban kaila nga naa nagwork as a surveyor..

    Please enlighten me mga bro..,
    Why would Meriam santiago, a senator and a lawyer pushes a bill to NOT to allow non-taxpayer to Vote?

    Unsaon diay pag define sa taxpayer ug non-taxpayer if based sa inyo explanation tanan tawo man kha nagbayad ug buwis?

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