MERGED: Bleach Discussions

[Blackbeard]

ngano ka ?? bait for you ?? ka assuming sad nimo na i'm talking to you


back on topic .... maabot na lang tingali ang 2016 dili gihapon ni mahuman ang Bleach probably the most simpleton-manga out there, mura cya ug dula sa family-computer na you have a lot of characters, then pili ka then maabot dayun ka sa final boss

basically almost every manga, anime out there where they introduce characters and go fight the final villain.

seriously dghan kaau gi introduce nga character ang Bleach then murag okkkkkkkk... thennn ahhhhh... mao ba.. wala ko kasabot na gyud.. samok na kaau pero ako nalang ginatiwas ang manga kron kay nasugdan pero mao lagi grabe ka boring

they do that every time. Naruto introduced a bajillion characters especially in part 2. and One Piece introduces new characters every arc.

Bleach on the other hand only has:

Ichigo's group, Soul Society includes the Vizards and the villains: Fullbring group, Arrancar group and Sternreitter group. and the villains don't even stick around.

in comparison to the other two big shonen manga in Japan, Bleach has the least amount of characters. lol if Bleach confuses you because of the amount of characters, then One Piece will destroy your mind.

mao bitaw na biggest problem ni kubo boss ...... perting daghana gyud sa iyang characters ...

but focus lang ta ni ichigoy .... pila to ka chapters ang para sa iyahang training and then for what ?? pero naa cyay gamay na sakto kadtong line ni MR. A about ni Inoue na human ra cya unsay mahimu ... mao ra toy nag make sense so far ani na "final arc" ..

ma compare man gud nako sa uban manga na perting daghana ug characters pero maka recognize gihapon ta and naa gihapon importance ang each characters, sama sa One Piece, Kenichi, Samurai Deeper Kyo .... ang mga author/writers ana nila kay bisan perting daghana sa gubot, maka manage gihapon na stay focus sa ilang main character, pero ang Bleach ... nevermind na lang

nah, One Piece has been a complete mess since part 2 and Dressrossa arc is the worst. it's all over the place. it introduced so many characters from other fighters, Doflamingos group, the Dwarves, Marines, Revolutionaries, Big Mom and the Royal Family. it also kept on jumping from one character/fight to another. only in the last couple of chapters has it finally started to focus and began to resolve the fights after spending the majority of 2014 switching from one perspective to another and focusing on new characters.

Bleach is the same. right now it is focused on Ichigo. all the other fights have finished. he's front and center again. he's actually in front of Yhwach, and he just told him he doesn't care about his BS and he's going to stop him.

the only legitimate complaint one can make about Bleach is Kubo's pace(much better in this arc) which can get dreadfully slow and make the story boring, especially when read week by week as opposed to reading it all in one go. the Arrancar Arc had really, REALLY awful pacing. the introduction of other characters and not focusing on the MC? that really happens in a lot of mangas. it's just how it is.

[Suffuse]

mao bitaw na biggest problem ni kubo boss ...... perting daghana gyud sa iyang characters ...

but focus lang ta ni ichigoy .... pila to ka chapters ang para sa iyahang training and then for what ?? pero naa cyay gamay na sakto kadtong line ni MR. A about ni Inoue na human ra cya unsay mahimu ... mao ra toy nag make sense so far ani na "final arc" ..

ma compare man gud nako sa uban manga na perting daghana ug characters pero maka recognize gihapon ta and naa gihapon importance ang each characters, sama sa One Piece, Kenichi, Samurai Deeper Kyo .... ang mga author/writers ana nila kay bisan perting daghana sa gubot, maka manage gihapon na stay focus sa ilang main character, pero ang Bleach ... nevermind na lang

hahaha sakto gyud bitaw boss.. naka remember ko na excite ko taman pag introduce sa "Vizored" then mao rato? hahaha kana gani hanging kaau nga wala man gyud nagamit ilang full potential na maka excite sa arc.

basically almost every manga, anime out there where they introduce characters and go fight the final villain.


they do that every time. Naruto introduced a bajillion characters especially in part 2. and One Piece introduces new characters every arc.

Bleach on the other hand only has:

Ichigo's group, Soul Society includes the Vizards and the villains: Fullbring group, Arrancar group and Sternreitter group. and the villains don't even stick around.

in comparison to the other two big shonen manga in Japan, Bleach has the least amount of characters. lol if Bleach confuses you because of the amount of characters, then One Piece will destroy your mind.


nah, One Piece has been a complete mess since part 2 and Dressrossa arc is the worst. it's all over the place. it introduced so many characters from other fighters, Doflamingos group, the Dwarves, Marines, Revolutionaries, Big Mom and the Royal Family. it also kept on jumping from one character/fight to another. only in the last couple of chapters has it finally started to focus and began to resolve the fights after spending the majority of 2014 switching from one perspective to another and focusing on new characters.

Bleach is the same. right now it is focused on Ichigo. all the other fights have finished. he's front and center again. he's actually in front of Yhwach, and he just told him he doesn't care about his BS and he's going to stop him.

the only legitimate complaint one can make about Bleach is Kubo's pace(much better in this arc) which can get dreadfully slow and make the story boring, especially when read week by week as opposed to reading it all in one go. the Arrancar Arc had really, REALLY awful pacing. the introduction of other characters and not focusing on the MC? that really happens in a lot of mangas. it's just how it is.

honestly many shonen introduces many characters on every arc. but our bottomline sir ang importance sa role sa characters.. take for example ang One Piece bisan unsa ka gubot sa arc and introduce many characters yet Oda was still able to find a way para ma recognize sila sa mga readers.

[Blackbeard]

honestly many shonen introduces many characters on every arc. but our bottomline sir ang importance sa role sa characters.. take for example ang One Piece bisan unsa ka gubot sa arc and introduce many characters yet Oda was still able to find a way para ma recognize sila sa mga readers.

and Kubo is not able to do the same? he can also introduce characters that the readers recognize. the Captains, Espada, Vizards are/were all memorable characters with their own personality quirks. most of the Sternritters as well as the Soul King's Royal Guards also stand out. the Royal Guards healed and trained Ichigo's group. the Sternritters made the Shinigami and Ichigo's group grow. yes, some or most of them are there just to fight and or lose, but that happens in every story.

ok. since nag compare naman gyud ta sa one piece .....

perting daghana gyud intawn characters didto. as in super daghan. pero ma trace up man nako. ang akong complain is tanan chapter kay back story sa character, but i blame it on myself for being too excited. coz ang one piece man gud is tanan characters related cya sa story ... and dili sad kalit na g-introduce ang mga characters ... naa nay daghan hint ang mga characters sa earlier chapters, ayha pa lang gihatagan ug focus ... like karon na arc, si donflamingo ... he is an old villian, pero karon pa ta naka balo na mao diay na iyang role ... ang one piece man gud is like reading a novel, daghan pero it all comes together .... mas deeper ang one piece .... bisan pa tingali ug daghan kau fight scenes, but relevant sila sa story ....


sa bleach ... it's always A VS B ... and ang evolution sa characters kay walay klaro and walay sense. pareho gud adtong zombie girls, ug nganong nag focus man ug mau si kobu adto ug pila ka chapters

and karon, imbis nag face to face na si ichigoy .. imbis excited na mga tao coz mao na gyud .... g-introduce pa gyud ug balik si aizen .. then karon, build up na sad para sa resurrection ni aizen .. na unsa na

back story sa character? are you referring to Bleach? because then you'd be wrong. we haven't had a back story chapter since Gremmy's or As Nodt. if it's One Piece, well, not every chapter is a back story. Law and Senior Pink's back stories are so far the best parts of Dressrosa. I love One Piece, but I wouldn't consider it deep. it's a very formulaic shonen without any character development for its main characters. not all characters are important either, some are just there for the fight and that's it. same as Bleach and other shonen manga. it's overall better written than most manga(better than Bleach) to be sure, but it's no Hunter X Hunter or Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

I don't get the A vs. B. if you're referring to battles, Kubo mixes them up most times. Rukia ended up fighting As Nodt despite everyone expecting Byakuya would get his revenge. as for "evolution", the Shinigami Pride Byakuya showed some incredible character growth when he begged Ichigo, a human, to save Soul Society. and Ichigo himself is no longer like before where he's always losing his confidence, he's become a much stronger willed character.

and as far as setting/introducing characters up goes, Bleach is similar to Ghost Fighter/Yuyu Hakusho in that way. for example, we didn't know about Sensui until his arc. similarly, we didn't know about Yhwach until his arc. we did know that there were other Quincy besides Ishida's family during Ishida's introduction. Kubo really only messed up once, and it's this arc. it was when he pulled 3 of the 4 members of Juha's Royal Guard out of nowhere. and I suppose Gremmy too. he could have at least shown those characters back when Yhwach announced Ishida as his heir before all of the Sternritter, but he didn't. and that's really it. you could argue about the former Espada characters, but eh, it's just like when Oda introduced those lower Cipher Pol members in the train who were only there to get their butts kicked by Sanji.

also the zombie bits I attribute to pace. if Kubo had moved that part of the story faster, it probably wouldn't have been such s---. Kubo tends to jump perspective a bit, but to be fair, he hasn't done that in a bad way the last few chapters. there's always something happening which moves the plot along and Ichigo is now the main highlight. and yeah, Aizen didn't necessarily have to return to the story, but I suppose Kubo had more plans for him, and he probably wants to show everyone his Bankai before the manga ends since we're already going to miss out on Ukitake's Bankai.

[Suffuse]

and Kubo is not able to do the same? he can also introduce characters that the readers recognize. the Captains, Espada, Vizards are/were all memorable characters with their own personality quirks. most of the Sternritters as well as the Soul King's Royal Guards also stand out. the Royal Guards healed and trained Ichigo's group. the Sternritters made the Shinigami and Ichigo's group grow. yes, some or most of them are there just to fight and or lose, but that happens in every story.

yeah we all know that sir pero it's too plain simple and wala man lang na elaborate ug tarong like more of a background story pud unta.. as i've said i used to love Bleach and yet lately for me it's been so damn boooorrriinnngggg... :\

[lifebook11]

Boring ron kay hapit na mahuman, idrag na nila as long as they can

[Blackbeard]

yeah we all know that sir pero it's too plain simple and wala man lang na elaborate ug tarong like more of a background story pud unta.. as i've said i used to love Bleach and yet lately for me it's been so damn boooorrriinnngggg... :\

there's actually a lot of characters that have had their back stories told by Kubo. but back stories aren't really necessary as long as the character is interesting and the overall story isn't moving slowly. you can make many interesting characters with their back stories explored, but if the story is moving slowly, it's going to get boring. same thing with the amount of characters, because regardless of the number of characters in a story, if the story itself is being told slowly then it is going to get boring.

worse is if there's a bajillion uninteresting characters with the story told at a turtle's pace. *coughNarutoWararccough*

[Suffuse]

there's actually a lot of characters that have had their back stories told by Kubo. but back stories aren't really necessary as long as the character is interesting and the overall story isn't moving slowly. you can make many interesting characters with their back stories explored, but if the story is moving slowly, it's going to get boring. same thing with the amount of characters, because regardless of the number of characters in a story, if the story itself is being told slowly then it is going to get boring.

worse is if there's a bajillion uninteresting characters with the story told at a turtle's pace. *coughNarutoWararccough*

actually that is not the case of One Piece.. mas nasabtan nuon nako ang main story 2ngod sa back story.. unlike sa Bleach pahumanay nalang murag props ra gyud ang ubang gipang introduce.. hahaha! labi natong "The Lost Agent Arc" kaingon gud ko pagka way klaro nalang gyud..

[Blackbeard]

actually that is not the case of One Piece.. mas nasabtan nuon nako ang main story 2ngod sa back story.. unlike sa Bleach pahumanay nalang murag props ra gyud ang ubang gipang introduce.. hahaha! labi natong "The Lost Agent Arc" kaingon gud ko pagka way klaro nalang gyud..

you probably forgot that all the Fullbringer's back stories were told.

and which characters in Bleach are props? because there are characters that are just introduced there to be "props", whatever that means. this also happens in One Piece. did Oda ever give the back stories of Enel's Sky Priest'? I don't remember. I don't remember if he ever gave the back stories to Mr. 5 and Miss All Sunday. or the CP9 outside of Lucci.

also note that this arc is not yet over, Yhwach's back story will likely be told later.

edit: ah the CP9 did appear in a flashback, but iirc it wasn't theirs.

[Suffuse]

you probably forgot that all the Fullbringer's back stories were told.

and which characters in Bleach are props? because there are characters that are just introduced there to be "props", whatever that means. this also happens in One Piece. did Oda ever give the back stories of Enel's Sky Priest'? I don't remember. I don't remember if he ever gave the back stories to Mr. 5 and Miss All Sunday. or the CP9 outside of Lucci.

also note that this arc is not yet over, Yhwach's back story will likely be told later.

edit: ah the CP9 did appear in a flashback, but iirc it wasn't theirs.

actually i can't name the characters anymore coz as i've said dili na nako sila ma recognize ug ma remember asa sila nag appear na arc.. well in regards to Enel it was explain by one of the dwellers.. and again dili necessary tanan nalang naay back story sir.. the issue here is not One Piece but BLEACH PER SE!dghan kaau ko wala nasabtan sa bleach katong ni full hollow siya wala man lng to ma explain ug tarong.. then kalit lng mawala iya powers then mabalik napod.. huuuhaaayyyyzzzz and kung ikaw nalingaw ka ug basa ug bleach go on sir.. we have our own opinion regarding sa manga and FOR ME IT'S BOOOORRRRIINNG!!!!!!!

[Blackbeard]

actually i can't name the characters anymore coz as i've said dili na nako sila ma recognize ug ma remember asa sila nag appear na arc.. well in regards to Enel it was explain by one of the dwellers.. and again dili necessary tanan nalang naay back story sir.. the issue here is not One Piece but BLEACH PER SE!dghan kaau ko wala nasabtan sa bleach katong ni full hollow siya wala man lng to ma explain ug tarong.. then kalit lng mawala iya powers then mabalik napod.. huuuhaaayyyyzzzz and kung ikaw nalingaw ka ug basa ug bleach go on sir.. we have our own opinion regarding sa manga and FOR ME IT'S BOOOORRRRIINNG!!!!!!!

lol not being able to understand an element of the story doesn't make it boring, that either means three things: bad translations, lack of reading comprehension or bad writing on the author's part. boring would be when there's literally nothing happening and the story isn't being advanced.

and him losing his powers wasn't hard to understand. he turned into his own technique and unleashed all of his Reiatsu at Aizen. this is actually a common trope in manga/anime. Gon comes to mind immediately, like when he unlocked all of his potential in exchange for power. it's a similar thing to what Ichigo did when he used Final Getsuga Tenshou. and his powers returned the same way Rukia gave Ichigo Shinigami powers at the start of the manga, only this time it was the Gotei 13 and the Vizards that gave him their Reiatsu. that and Ichigo never really completely lost his Shinigami powers, his Reiatsu was just reduced to such a massive degree that it looked as if he lost it. this was explained by Rukia iirc. you were probably just not paying attention or just read from bad translations.