All out war or Peace???

[bleedingboi]

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BBL deals mainly with the MILF, and their associated Ethnic tribes. Now, does the referendum in FAB/CAB give voice to other tribes? NO.

In the issue of ancestral domain, indigenous groups usually claim wide coverage. If the construction of an economic zone is assessed to be beneficial (utilitarian) despite encroaching part of their land, a compromise has to be met that is beneficial to other tribes and the government. Not only with the MILF and it's subordinates. This includes (e.g. securing jobs/certain commercial spaces for them, etc).


"The FAB recognizes that there are different peoples and identities in Mindanao and in the Bangsamoro. The FAB also recognizes rights already recognized in laws and other legal documents"

My question, how 100% sure are we that these extremists will adhere? They gave our guns back,but took spare parts off the weapons rendering it useless. The US tracked phonecalls and IP address from Marwan indicating he's using the MILF network. At first, they lied that they never supported Marwan, they lied that they never fired the first shot, and called it a misfire. They lied that they never took the weapons. They lied about the mutilation of SAF bodies. Now this idiotic country is giving them 1/3 of the economy.

[wifi]

sakto pod ka ana bro, failure jd ang ARMM kay dli ra sa corruption, apil na ang failure sa pag pacify sa whole ARMM tungod sa mga other faction na mi lahi kay wala naka uyon sa goal sa MNLF (armm). with regards to BBL which I think is an agreement with just some Muslim rebel group, I doubt this will bring peace to Mindanao and the effect of this is still an all out war to thos other rebel groupd who will oppose. I sincerely this will not resort to another big scale war, if BBL must be passed, there are a lot of revision para mahimo ni cya ma fitting sa atong constitution pod.

At least small faction na lang sa mga rebels ang problemahon kesa apil pa ang MILF na girahan. The question of constitutionality sa BBL ila nana sa mga mambabatas ug sa supreme court to decide. Mga tawo raman japon ng miembro sa supreme court nga dili sab gusto ug gubat, besides mga appointee man pud ni cla ni Pnoy kasagaran.

The quickest way to achieve peace is for all rebel groups to lay down their arms and stop committing atrocities.

Morag lisud man kaayo ni matuman bro, Wala man cguroy rebelde musogot sa ana lang kasayon. Ultimately, the solution of this problem is to give them what they want which is total freedom and independence just like what happened to East Timor in Indonesia. Pero kinsa may presidente na mosugot ana na demand bisan ikaw dili jud mosugot..Na realize pud sa MILF leadership na suntok sa buwan ang ilang damgo mao na misugot na lang cla sa federal form na style kay semi independent man gyud ni cla and I believe honest jud ang MILF sa ani na agreement.
Kung boot kwentahon mas may rason ang MILF na magduda sa sincerity sa gobyerno kay sa ang gobyerno ang magduda sa sincerity sa MILF about sa BBL. Ngano? Kun dili sincere ang MILF sa BBL unya ipadayon japon nila ang rebelyon, dali raman himoon sa gobyerno ang pag void or abolish sa BBL unya himoon dayon ang military take over. Pero kun ang gobyerno maoy magtinonto na after sila mag surrender e cancel sa gobyerno ang BBL, luoy kaayo sila balik sila sa bukid mag tiniil dala armas back to square one. Mao palaban gyud ni sila sa Malaysia isip 3rd party aron walay mo break sa agreement..Dili baya pud ni sila basta basta mo break sa agreement kay nagtan aw baya ang Malaysia sa ila, mahimo hinoon silang kataw anan.

Federalism mao jd ni sakto, but why sa mindanao ra man? Why not change the whole system? Any thought on this?

Total transformation bro need jud na charter change.. Mao na pag ampo na madayon jud ang BBL tapos ma ratify pa jud sa supreme court aron mao ni basehan na matuman na imo, ato na pangandoy..

[yhokz101]

At least small faction na lang sa mga rebels ang problemahon kesa apil pa ang MILF na girahan. The question of constitutionality sa BBL ila nana sa mga mambabatas ug sa supreme court to decide. Mga tawo raman japon ng miembro sa supreme court nga dili sab gusto ug gubat, besides mga appointee man pud ni cla ni Pnoy kasagaran.

Most of the troublesome group are those small factions. ASG/BIFF.. they are like pest and no one can control them. Like you said they are using Guerilla warfare, and to think they don't acknowledge the MILF nor the MNLF. As so it seems, or maybe Im wrong since we cant prove they have no hidden ties. I agree, MILF pose a greater risk due to their numbers, but I also believe the AFP can handle them, at least to weaken.. but let's not resort to war if you consider BBL in this instance. For me BBL is only dealing with particular group ra lage, not in general, not even those minorities in mindanao (non-moro) not to mentioned the ASG/BIFF which are no in any way have agreed with the BBL. BBL is only between Ph govt and MILF/MNLF.

Morag lisud man kaayo ni matuman bro, Wala man cguroy rebelde musogot sa ana lang kasayon. Ultimately, the solution of this problem is to give them what they want which is total freedom and independence just like what happened to East Timor in Indonesia. Pero kinsa may presidente na mosugot ana na demand bisan ikaw dili jud mosugot..Na realize pud sa MILF leadership na suntok sa buwan ang ilang damgo mao na misugot na lang cla sa federal form na style kay semi independent man gyud ni cla and I believe honest jud ang MILF sa ani na agreement.
Kung boot kwentahon mas may rason ang MILF na magduda sa sincerity sa gobyerno kay sa ang gobyerno ang magduda sa sincerity sa MILF about sa BBL. Ngano? Kun dili sincere ang MILF sa BBL unya ipadayon japon nila ang rebelyon, dali raman himoon sa gobyerno ang pag void or abolish sa BBL unya himoon dayon ang military take over. Pero kun ang gobyerno maoy magtinonto na after sila mag surrender e cancel sa gobyerno ang BBL, luoy kaayo sila balik sila sa bukid mag tiniil dala armas back to square one. Mao palaban gyud ni sila sa Malaysia isip 3rd party aron walay mo break sa agreement..Dili baya pud ni sila basta basta mo break sa agreement kay nagtan aw baya ang Malaysia sa ila, mahimo hinoon silang kataw anan.

I know this is a pipe dream so to speak, but nonetheless this can be achieved if they are sincere enough not merely impossible. It works both ways, don't dismiss the allocation of initial 70B to the BBL and then some more billions in the succeeding years. Who knows this will flow into what is intended and not to make their stronghold (arms/people). Trust will go both ways, so as deception and lies.

Total transformation bro need jud na charter change.. Mao na pag ampo na madayon jud ang BBL tapos ma ratify pa jud sa supreme court aron mao ni basehan na matuman na imo, ato na pangandoy..

Total transformation? What through BBL? BBL only directs to specific people or group. In other words, the Bangsamoro Basic Law affords extra-ordinarily special treatment to the Bangsamoro Government, to the prejudice of and damage to other local government units in the Philippines. Sorry, but the BBL right now is simply unconstitutional if you ask my opinion.

[wifi]

Most of the troublesome group are those small factions. ASG/BIFF.. they are like pest and no one can control them. Like you said they are using Guerilla warfare, and to think they don't acknowledge the MILF nor the MNLF. As so it seems, or maybe Im wrong since we cant prove they have no hidden ties. I agree, MILF pose a greater risk due to their numbers, but I also believe the AFP can handle them, at least to weaken.. but let's not resort to war if you consider BBL in this instance. For me BBL is only dealing with particular group ra lage, not in general, not even those minorities in mindanao (non-moro) not to mentioned the ASG/BIFF which are no in any way have agreed with the BBL. BBL is only between Ph govt and MILF/MNLF.

Naglibog ko sa imo. Dili ka gusto sa BBL dili pud ka gusto ug war. Unsaon ma diay nimo pag sulbad ang problema sa MILF? Kun dili ka gusto sa BBL kay MILF ra lage ang ge negotiate, walay labot ang Abu sayf ug BIFF, Naa kay way nga ma negotiate nimo ang abu sayaf ug BIFF nga separatist man gyud na cla? gUsto diay pud ka nga naay peacetalk para sa BIFF ug Abu sayaf?

I know this is a pipe dream so to speak, but nonetheless this can be achieved if they are sincere enough not merely impossible. It works both ways, don't dismiss the allocation of initial 70B to the BBL and then some more billions in the succeeding years. Who knows this will flow into what is intended and not to make their stronghold (arms/people). Trust will go both ways, so as deception and lies.

Naka dungog ka nga human na integrate ang MNLF sa PNP or ARM forces, gipamalit ni Misuari ug armas ang budget sa ARMM aron e gubat sa Gobyerno? Libre na nga ang mga armas kay sundalo na sila sa gobyerno mamalit na hinoon ug dugang armas. Ingna hinuon mamaligya cla armas aron aron maka kwarta, pareho sa gihimo sa AFP sa mindanao nga namaligya armas sa mga rebelde aron maka kwarta.

Total transformation? What through BBL? BBL only directs to specific people or group. In other words, the Bangsamoro Basic Law affords extra-ordinarily special treatment to the Bangsamoro Government, to the prejudice of and damage to other local government units in the Philippines. Sorry, but the BBL right now is simply unconstitutional if you ask my opinion.

Nag ingon ka gusto ka FEDEral tanan. Dili mana mahimo kun walay charter change. Dili na cya special treatment bai, ingon ana jud na basta federal state ang form sa government. Dako pa unya ang budget na mahatag sa Cebu kun kini mahimo sab na federal state pareha sa Bangsamoro.

[yhokz101]

Naglibog ko sa imo. Dili ka gusto sa BBL dili pud ka gusto ug war. Unsaon ma diay nimo pag sulbad ang problema sa MILF? Kun dili ka gusto sa BBL kay MILF ra lage ang ge negotiate, walay labot ang Abu sayf ug BIFF, Naa kay way nga ma negotiate nimo ang abu sayaf ug BIFF nga separatist man gyud na cla? gUsto diay pud ka nga naay peacetalk para sa BIFF ug Abu sayaf?

Wala nmo na getsa ko ingon na ang current form sa BBL kay gusto man ipa approve ni panot dayun.. asap. Needs to be revised and reviewed kay daghan mga loopholes. It is there and well presented and BBL, what can we do? libog ka kay against ko sa all out war, of course kinsa ganahan ana.. we must see other options, for the BBL lage naay mga contradiction sa constitution and for that reason dli pa maayu e approve.

As for the other rebel groups, this should be hunted and eliminated..

That's my other point pod, if ever man gani naa nay BBL. unsay measures dha para pag sulbad sa mga other rebe groups? ASG/BIFF? I don't they will go away any time soon and MILF/MNLF have difficulty in dealing with them.

Naka dungog ka nga human na integrate ang MNLF sa PNP or ARM forces, gipamalit ni Misuari ug armas ang budget sa ARMM aron e gubat sa Gobyerno? Libre na nga ang mga armas kay sundalo na sila sa gobyerno mamalit na hinoon ug dugang armas. Ingna hinuon mamaligya cla armas aron aron maka kwarta, pareho sa gihimo sa AFP sa mindanao nga namaligya armas sa mga rebelde aron maka kwarta.

which I understand that not only Misuari's side has benefited, this is business in general. Again, corruption and one main reason why the ARMM didn't succeed.

Nag ingon ka gusto ka FEDEral tanan. Dili mana mahimo kun walay charter change. Dili na cya special treatment bai, ingon ana jud na basta federal state ang form sa government. Dako pa unya ang budget na mahatag sa Cebu kun kini mahimo sab na federal state pareha sa Bangsamoro.

Federalism, yup need jd na e change ang tanan apil consti.. what I meant is in relation sa BBL. if naa man gani na BBL, why the hell dli nalang e change ang whole system? C panot special treatment na bro, how come only those areas presented sa BBL ang naay allocations gikan sa govt ana ka dako gkan sa taxpayers and a sub-state will be established? A gov't within a gov't, wa ko kasabot nganu mo bow down man to this level of agreement ang atong govt...

That Bangsamoro will be a substate is revealed by the following provisions:

a. The powers of the central government shall be determined by the Agreement, thus turning Bangsamoro into a substate.

b. The Autonomous Region for Muslim Mindanao, which is provided for by the Constitution, will be abolished by mere agreement with the MILF, which is not surprising if you consider that the Bangsamoro has become a substate.

c. Allocation to the Bangsamoro of all powers exercised by the national government over local government units.

d. Only the Bangsamoro shall be under a ministerial form of government, while the rest of the country will operate under a presidential form of government.

[harhar]

Ang naka toytoy ani pobre kay ang AFP, kung sakto lang unta sa gamit hagbay ra unta gi kilaw ng MILF.

[amingb]

Price tag for Mindanao peace: P115 billion -- and counting | ABS-CBN News

Moabot pani ug siguro 1 Trillion ... mao jud ipamogos kay dako kaau ning Kurakot ... sige pata ani .... wata kabalo unsay outcome and still mo declare lang gihapon sila ug Jihad ....

Mao diay ni solution : Peace = Billions of Pesos + BBL ..... FCKING GOVERNMENT ....

[contractman]

walay peace sa lugar nga naay daghang muslim. tanawa ninyo ang Syria ug ubang parte sa meddle east dili ba gubot kaayo?
Granting tinuod ang gusto ni pnoy nga may peace gyud sa mindanao...pero cmon mr. president hehe with this kind of people?

[makal34]

wala nay lain mabasol ug mag gubat nang pinas si abnoy ra jud..

[contractman]

luoy ang gitawag nga Good muslims kay maapil man sila sa pag criticize
pastilan kanindot raba gyud sa ilang dapit sayang dili mapahimuslan sa tanang pilipino