That is your opinion migo.. I don't suppose I can say to you to believe me or follow what we believe in. If you are looking for a solid evidence like what you can see with your own eyes and touch with your hands then I am sorry but that is what faith is all about. I am not talking about magic2x and fairy tales and the sort like AntiBugo always refers to.
You are saying that if we can't see something, we simply rejects or don't believe it exists? We believe in many things that we can't see. Have you ever seen the wind? Have you seen history? We see the effects of the wind, but the wind is invisible. We have records of history, but it is by 'faith' we believe that certain historical events happened. Television waves are invisible, but an antenna and a receiver can detect their presence.
Are we looking in the right places? The “signs” of God’s presence in the world may look differently than we expect. It could be a simple joy from a child, a beautiful flower, the goodness to each person, the kindness from a stranger you randomly receive, the love we feel from our parents and the love we give to those we care. I don't assume you agree with me on this level but tend and try to see things differently for once.
Well i was wondering why he remain invisible when in the old testament, he met and talk to Moses and Jacob. I supposed he can appear to anyone at ease migo.
Although I can't fully understand these "signs" as "proof" of God's existence, I do appreciate and thanked at these experiences, and marvel at nature's beauty.
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Some people just want to make use of their senses for solid proof migo![]()
This is true, GOD is different from Old testament from the New testament. In the Old testament he is seem radical in many ways. Appearing to be powerful, holy, punishing, angry, and jealous. While in the new testament, in the form of Jesus Christ, He appears kind, loving, meek, and forgiving, But nonetheless he remains the same..and in that context yes He can appear to anyone at ease Migo.
Proof and Sign are two very different things. We will see proof as an evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement. While Sign is rather an object, quality, or event whose presence or occurrence indicates the probable presence or occurrence of something else. You see some people tend to use senses are their solid proof, they rely on it therefore make it their basis of proof but sometimes our senses will deceive us, it fails us in many ways. Having a solid proof (where you can see/touch) when we are talking about the God makes no sense, we can only take it by belief and faith. Senses I say it again cannot be made equal as a logical proof.
Having proof of Gods existence, you see God wants a relationship built on trust, not proof. Though God hasn't given us proof, he has placed enough evidence in the world for people to believe in him. People throughout history have seen both the power and beauty of nature.
“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
- Well have you ever seen a wind? Please answer me.. remember my question, Seen.
wa jd ka naka sabot, when we talked about history there are books, accounts from events recorded for us to be reminded but are we there para naka witness adto? wala diba? We take it on faith that it happened.. same goes sa Bible. All you need is a leap of faith para maka sabot ka... close minded man gd ka dli ka katigo mo tan-aw sa other side sa argument mao dli ka maka connect.
Dili ko maka basol nimo, cguro puro nalang hate ang naa nmo.. imo sad na, entitled pod ka ana. If we mention about ignorance basin maigo ka ana pero dli nalang tka tubayan kay obviously there's only one kind of person ang matawag nmo, a very arrogant-self righteous person who has a delusion that he has all the knowledge.
- wala man ka ni tubag sa akong pangutana, sipyat na pd ka. pastilan daghan rba jd nimong mga yawyaw...
- toinks ang mga historians imo pasabot kadtong naka witness sa away nila lapu2x ug magellan mao ba? Hoi paltik, kanang mga historians mainly naka base na sila mostly sa mga historical facts a.k.a sa libro na gipang suwat sa unang mga tao, artifacts ug uban pa. Ayaw ko ingna mga tsismis2x ra na or words by mouth .. basin imo tuo ang mga historians immortal? bahak na ni karon.. tarunga daw imong tubag. Same goes sa Bible for the sake lang sa mga gipag basehan which is ang document - Libro/manusripts/scrolls/etc. How can you say or disprove na dli tinuod ang naa sa bibliya? Sa mga events na mga nahitabo? imo nang ma disprove? tubag dayun.
Sa kani pa lang na statement, arang ka close minded naka kau.. waka kasabot sa imong statement? Ok humor me, for the sake sa imong prinsipyo.. what do you think we gain from believing that there is God? And what will you gain for not believing like sa imo na side? tubag.
- So you mean not only physical evidence but ang Genealogical proof? for the record naa ni document para ma trace back nmo kung existing ba ni silang mga tawhan, pardon me pero sa kadugay na ani nilang moses/abrahan/noah kay karaan na kau na sila.. fr all we know pila ra ka tao willing mo document adto unlike sa panahon sa imong tiyo magellan na naa nay mga tao na nag record/nag suwat for the purpose of documenting. Pero tan-awa lang dri sa link kung gusto kag proof para ma trace nmo ang genealogy nila Noah to Abraham to Moses: Reasons To Believe : From Noah to Abraham to Moses: Evidence of Genealogical Gaps in Genesis, Part 2
Imong cge yawit fictional2x, pero mo reflect pod na sa imong username sa cge ug ka banned basin gani fictional raka na tao.. LOL
oist! saman nakita na nmo ang wind? klaro na sa imong mata? evidence2x ka dha wala man ka ni tubag sakto sa ako pangutana.
- Ka hambog baya.. i wonder lang unsay na abot nmo noh. Para nko "KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT GOD IS VANITY"! Even Einstein believe in GOD or a Supreme Being and to think asa ra kaha ka ka level niya, without humilty of oneself wa kay padulngan ana. seeker of truth but you are close minded of things na dli nmo masabtan kay imo na dayun e reject. E open imong mind sa realidad, pls open sa imong kaugalingon na daghan kang utrohon sa imong approach sa kalibutan. The way ka mo sulti, the way ka mo tubag ug the way ka mo handle ug arguement.. to say the least is not "scientific" at all, what a shame and disgrace and a big slap in your face.
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- Lisoda sa pag angkon noh? ganiha ra unta na human kung ni tubag palang ka ani.. from that palang stubborn ug hard headed ka na pagka tao. I will leave you at peace, you believe in nothing but pursuits knowledge and perhaps negliecting wisdom. You live with a simple truth, that is to live whatever suits you. You don't believe in God so therefore you don't believe in heaven or hell as for that matter. You just simple live and die, and after you die no one will probably remember you. Here goes this guy name (whatever your name is), from sperm to dust nothing more. What a sad thing to think.. but I hope you will gain more knowledge in this world and a bit of proper manner wouldn't hurt.
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