Strong faith in God BUT Losing hope to Religions

[SioDenz]

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Sa ato pa dili diay ka ka kumpyanasahan, kay dili man ka ka decide kung unsay tama o mali kung walay religion.

something like that

Di man gani kumpyansahan nang dunay gisunod nga Religion kana paba kahang wala...

Nagka bugo lagi ka nagkadugay bro .... Joke..

[Espeon]

something like that

Di man gani kumpyansahan nang dunay gisunod nga Religion kana paba kahang wala...

Nagka bugo lagi ka nagkadugay bro .... Joke..

Aw sa ato pa wa jud diay kay buot "bro" kay wa ka kabalo kung unsay tama o mali kung walay religion.

Perti jud nimo ka bugo "bro". naa pa kay pa "something like that" diha carabao english nasad kang bugoa ka hahahaha

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Naa raman diay na, nganung daghan man kaayo kag drama bugoa ka? BUGONG UTO-UTONG KRISTIYANONG TANGA!

UTO-UTO BUGO

unsa d.i koneksyon sa way relihiyon sa pagpatay ug tao? wa man kay sense oi.. maayog ang relihiyon ra nag ingon nga di mopatay nga hasta man gobyerno.. pagka nalang jud.. nya ako pay ingnong bogo..

[Jhared]

The purpose is to know. Aron ka makabalo unsay maayo unsay dili. Aron masusi nimo kon nasulat ba jud na ilang gitudlo or ila-ila ra nang hinimo for their profit. Kon di ka mobasa unsaon man nimo pagkabalo nga dapat d.i ingon-anion pagkinabuhi nga makapahimuot sa Ginoo? Anyone who looks to a woman lustfully commits adultery. Unsaon nimo pagkabalo nga naa d.i na ingon ana kon di ka mobasa?

Unsaon nimo pagkabalo kon wa kay basehan? kana pa lang daan nga nisunod ka sa gitudlo sa imong mama ug papa nga maoy maayong buhaton nagbase na ka ana.. isa pa ang huna-huna sa Ginoo di sama sa atong huna-huna.. kay kon pwede pa lang nga ingon-ana style sa pagkinabuhi bai nga pwede ra ato rang pagkamaayo ang basehan or kon unsa ang tan-aw nato maayo ang basehan di na unta kinahanglan moari ang Ginoo sa kalibutan aron moagi ug kasakit oi.. humanistic man na nga style imo bai..

Sample: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength. Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Mao nay sample. Asa man na makita? sa bible. Daghan pa nasulat sa New Testament unsaon pagkinabuhi isip Christian bai mao nga mas maayo imo nang basahon aron ka masayod.

It seems to us that you are taking the presumption that morality is purely based upon the words encrypted in the bible, when in fact, moral standards precedes it.. killing and other sinful acts are regarded throughout history as highly wrongful.. in fact laws (which are evidence for moral culture) existed approximately 3000 years before the bible was made, and that's only about as far as what we've uncovered..

but following your analogy, it's as if to say that there were no moral guidelines pre-biblical era, and that what's keeping people from raping and killing anybody is this fear of eternal punishment as foretold in the bible, which to me is undermining the altruistic nature of humans., pretty much a negative perspective..

[NapoleonBlownapart]

It seems to us that you are taking the presumption that morality is purely based upon the words encrypted in the bible, when in fact, moral standards precedes it.. killing and other sinful acts are regarded throughout history as highly wrongful.. in fact laws (which are evidence for moral culture) existed approximately 3000 years before the bible was made, and that's only about as far as what we've uncovered..

but following your analogy, it's as if to say that there were no moral guidelines pre-biblical era, and that what's keeping people from raping and killing anybody is this fear of eternal punishment as foretold in the bible, which to me is undermining the altruistic nature of humans., pretty much a negative perspective..

No, I pressume TS as a Christian thus, the need to follow the morality in the bible.

[Jhared]

No, I pressume TS as a Christian thus, the need to follow the morality in the bible.

which morality you are talking about?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

which morality you are talking about?

nihatag na kog sample ni TS.. back read nalang

[Jhared]

nihatag na kog sample ni TS.. back read nalang

the kind of morality taught in the bible are very basic.. except maybe the first four of the 10 commandments, which is fitting for a god who likes to brag that his love is unconditional, all other else are very basic and general, but if we are going to read through the bible, generally there is more atrocity than morality.. how can we make the bible as basis for morality when stories inside it consists of destructing the enemy, killing innocent people, genocide, rape, etc?..

dont take this negatively, but makaingon sad ko usahay, nga maybe ang reason nganong hinay ang saka sa atong economy is because our views towards ambition is negative, makontento ta sa gamay, katong giingon ni TS nga ang taas ipaubos, ang ubos ipataas, i dunno about you but that's euphemism for crab mentality... and to think mao nay cge ug lawg sa mga pari ngadto sa utok sa mga taw matag adlaw.. those are the kind of values nga gitudlo sa bible, kanang gisulti nila nga "kung unsay gihatag sa Ginoo" like we dont deserve to have more because it's our fate to be poor, what a silly predicament if you ask me..

[rafee]

Pero if Wagtangun ang religion DILI diay gihapon Malinawun, so DILI diay religion ra maoy rason sa kagubot.

Ingon ko nga "part" ang religion sa kagubot...not necessarily means mao na ang hinungdan.. pero dili na ni taason ky impossible man ni imo question tubagon nga "..if Wagtangun ang religion DILI diay gihapon Malinawun?"

Unsa diay EXAMPLE imung mahatag nga BALAOD sa simbahan nga DILI maayu?

well.. see my post..

Naa diay balaod sa isa ka religion nga OK ra mupatay ug tawo?

Naa..known na cya..

You sounds Like your an ANTI RC

No I'm not... I'm just saying dili tanan rules base sa" interpretation" sa mga dagko sa simbahan para gyud sa kadaghanan.. Murag ikaw mn an anti "other beliefs" or other religion..

The purpose is to know. Aron ka makabalo unsay maayo unsay dili. Aron masusi nimo kon nasulat ba jud na ilang gitudlo or ila-ila ra nang hinimo for their profit. Kon di ka mobasa unsaon man nimo pagkabalo nga dapat d.i ingon-anion pagkinabuhi nga makapahimuot sa Ginoo? Anyone who looks to a woman lustfully commits adultery. Unsaon nimo pagkabalo nga naa d.i na ingon ana kon di ka mobasa?
Unsaon nimo pagkabalo kon wa kay basehan? kana pa lang daan nga nisunod ka sa gitudlo sa imong mama ug papa nga maoy maayong buhaton nagbase na ka ana...

Tanan mabasa nato sa Bible maayo.. I'm with you..kinahanglan gyud ta ug basehan, pero asa man nato ibutang ang mga tawo nga feel nila naay sayop sa pag-interpret sa uban leaders? kay kung moreklamo ta mao ni isulti: "Masuko ang Ginoo", "Gabaan ka" etc..

Sample: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength. Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Mao nay sample. Asa man na makita? sa bible. Daghan pa nasulat sa New Testament unsaon pagkinabuhi isip Christian bai mao nga mas maayo imo nang basahon aron ka masayod.

Correct... So kinahanglan pa ba ka ug interpretation ani sa uban tawo/leader para para mahimo ka nga true Christian? I don't think so..
But lets end here.. dili man pud gud na atoang topic ang gihimo nimo nga sample..Sakto gyud ka permi ky general mn gud imo approach.. I thought you will do sample like "sacred things" or atleast correcting my argument why there are rules towards indigent members of the church and why there are exception to it.. or asa namn ni dapita sa bible ang gibasehan..

[NapoleonBlownapart]

the kind of morality taught in the bible are very basic.. except maybe the first four of the 10 commandments, which is fitting for a god who likes to brag that his love is unconditional, all other else are very basic and general, but if we are going to read through the bible, generally there is more atrocity than morality.. how can we make the bible as basis for morality when stories inside it consists of destructing the enemy, killing innocent people, genocide, rape, etc?..

If an idiot would think that everything written in the bible is a command of God for him to do then perhaps that would make sense, but we both know that not all that's written in the bible are commands of God. It also contains history, poems/songs and prophecy. When you talk about destructing the enemy and genocide, that is God's judgement on their sin. God didn't just kill those people because he wanted to. It took years before he passed judgement. In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.” Pero mao lagi hurot sad sila tanan. Is it right. Well it's rightful for an owner to do anything with what he owns.

dont take this negatively, but makaingon sad ko usahay, nga maybe ang reason nganong hinay ang saka sa atong economy is because our views towards ambition is negative, makontento ta sa gamay, katong giingon ni TS nga ang taas ipaubos, ang ubos ipataas, i dunno about you but that's euphemism for crab mentality... and to think mao nay cge ug lawg sa mga pari ngadto sa utok sa mga taw matag adlaw.. those are the kind of values nga gitudlo sa bible, kanang gisulti nila nga "kung unsay gihatag sa Ginoo" like we dont deserve to have more because it's our fate to be poor, what a silly predicament if you ask me..

Ok man nang ambition as long as you know your priority. As a matter of fact di ko ganahan ug attitude nga "ingon ani ra man gud ko, mao ra man ni gihatag sa Ginoo nako". Di man gud na sya tinood. I believe that God blesses his people so that in turn his people will be a blessing to the world.