Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[Vedder]

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i mean who wouldn't think that right?...

Real Scientists, and I mean REAL SCIENTISTS, not some confused christian pseudo-scientists.

[Vedder]

and that bai, is what amazes me.

You're amazed because you're IGNORANT.

O asa na ang ginapangayo nakong proof? ayaw cgeg likayx2 diha baga kag nawong bugoa ka!

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Likayx2 kang bugoa ka ha, TUBAGA OPLOK!

[Jhared]

Real Scientists, and I mean REAL SCIENTISTS, not some confused christian pseudo-scientists.

i meant to say it in general, if not equipped with the understanding of how evolution works, one would easily assume that an intelligent designer exists,, as did men before the darwinian era.. but its hardly the case now, esp that we have the internet,..

[Jhared]

bai, first of all salamat sa pag bisita at least naa jud intay tarong nga Atheist..hehehe..

by order of things i didn't mean wonderland..hehe,but order in its simplest possible form. like the example you gave on finches. the differences of their beaks is in accordance to the Law of Nature,despite of the fact that the evolutionary process is rather violent than smooth as the species would either evolve/adapt or die i still believe there is Order in it for it follows the natural law.
especially when we examine the end results.

mao bitaw as much as possible we shouldn't abuse nature because Nature as it is already has a process of sustaining creation and every single thing under that umbrella. we only need to follow what has been laid over naturally.
and that bai, is what amazes me.

indeed, everything is always at the mercy of the Law of Nature, as do a single droplet of rain as it falls to our heads, it is pulled down because of gravity.. likewise in the purview of evolution, our genetic structure is ever changing as it adopts to a changing environment, that's how nature works.. but the question here lies between you and me, is whether or not such movement is fueled by some divine force, all i can say is that such notion is irrefutable, simply because it is speculative in essence and untestable,.

Exactly, judging by the nature of things, anything that exists has a purpose. there must've been a reason behind this seemingly natural assumption.

maybe, but i dont think it's anything divine..

[noy]

Bugoa jud oi, Naa pa kay pa philosophyx2 diha mura kag korek bugoa ka, nganung walay scientist na mu tuo ug pink unicorn? Kay walay relihiyon na mu tudlo na naay pink unicorn BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO

hahahaha! nganu way scientist mutuo ug pink unicorn? imung tubag tungod kay walay religion nga nagtudlo nga ning exist ang pink unicorn?

bai, Scientist na atong gihisgutan ha..dili tiguwang nga daghan ug patuo-tuo..LOL

Ubayx2? Buot buot nasad kang bugoa ka mura jud kag korek baga kag nawong BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Gamay ra kaay na percentage sa mga scientists karon an mu tuo ug imaginary skyfairy, minority ra, kasagaran mga confused scientists na nangitag dali na tubag sa ilahang mga pangutana, gina-katw-an ra na sila sa Mainstream Scientific community BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO murag ikaw gud, gina kataw-an ra nako diri hahahahaha BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ubay-ubay jud..
here's a list of Christian Thinkers in Science..notable lang ni sila..wa pay labut ang mga wa na mailhi...so asa naman imung proof nga 1% ra sa actual population of scientists ang mutuo ug Bible?
List of Christian thinkers in science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christian lang ni, wa pay labut ang ubang Theist..

ikaw muy baga ug nawong.. agta! sige kag likay2x ug tubag..sige kag paluyo anang imung mga sinultihan nga pina way grado!
Sky fairy?kung mao nay imung pagtan-aw sa Creator.. aw..dakla na sab imung ulo kay pataka lang kag yaw2x.. LOL

gikataw-an sa mainstream scientific community? kinsa may nag ingun nimu ana? tsismoso kang bayota ka! Lol
kanang mga Scientist nga Athiest mga educated ug well-mannered na.as much as they wouldn't agree with everyone else's opinion they would stick and focus with stating their case during discussions and debates. kanang mag kata-katawa..mga prehas na nimu nga way buot. hahaha..tiwas panilhig inday michelle!

Kusog kaayo ka mu ingon ug "PROOF" "PROOF" pero wala jud kay proof sa imuhang imaginary friend, nganu man? KAY IMAGINARY RA MAN, BUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO
hahahaha

Kinsay ingun nimu nga wala koy proof? ka hagbay ra nako gi explain sa imuha why evolution is directed. in other words, Creation in itself points out to a creator..Plus, personal experience..daghan kaayo ko ug proof! di lang ka mudawat..but nonetheless, they're proof...now if you want to disprove them all..start making a sensible refutation..
mao sige ko ug pangayo ug proof kay sige man pud ka ug claim.. gets nimu ang logic yot?!
ingun ka evolution is not directed.. so asa ang proof?
ingun ka 1% ra ang mutuo ug bible kung itandi sa actual population sa scientists..asa ang poof ana? agta!
palit ug brand new nga utok didto's fooda lacion kaw...unya tuslob buwa dayun nang imohang version diha run kay murag wa na ka evolve..

@noy bugoa ka, dapat ako mangita ug proof gikan sa imuha kay ikaw ang nag claim anang mga kabuang nimo

*Proof na an imaginary fairytale skyfairy directed the evolution
*Proof of an existence of an imaginary fairytale skyfairy

Ayaw cgeg likayx2 diha bugoa ka, tubaga!

hoy agta nga bayot! di lang diay ka daut ug utok hasta imung mata nabulit sa mota.. susiha ang post #3551 .
sugdi ug refute by proving that EVOLUTION isn't directed. simple ra kaayo imung buhaton...

ako na puy naglikay-likay run..hahaha! hilig jud ka ug bali2x ...bayot jud diay..

wa pa gani ka naka provide ug refutation..ngaita naka ug counter argument?bagaag leps aning bayota oi! Lol

[Vedder]

Kinsay ingun nimu nga wala koy proof? ka hagbay ra nako gi explain sa imuha why evolution is directed. in other words, Creation in itself points out to a creator..Plus, personal experience..daghan kaayo ko ug proof! di lang ka mudawat..but nonetheless, they're proof...now if you want to disprove them all..start making a sensible refutation..

mao nang proof nimo?

hahahahahahahahahahaaha KOMEDYANTE KAAYO KANG DAKO! Mr."I LOVE SCIENCE"

Dili na proof BUGO! "nonetheless, they're proof" sa imong nawong unsa nako pag disprove ana na dili mana proof? hahahahaha

Kasabot ka unsa nang proof? hala cge e google kataw-anan man ka oi hahahaha "I LOVE SCIENCE" lagi daw unya dili kabalo kung unsay proof hahahahaha

Balik-balikon nako ni hangtud naa kay ikatubag na tarong diha bugoa ka:

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Ayaw cgeg dramax2 diha pakit-i kog tinuod na proof, dili ko pareha nimong bugo na mudawat ug binugo na proof hahahahaha

E disprove lagi daw nako iyahang proof unya walay gipakita sa akoa na proof hahahahahaha

Erasa nang I LOVE SCIENCE sa imuhang profile oi baga kag nawong bugoa ka hahahaha

[noy]

indeed, everything is always at the mercy of the Law of Nature, as do a single droplet of rain as it falls to our heads, it is pulled down because of gravity.. likewise in the purview of evolution, our genetic structure is ever changing as it adopts to a changing environment, that's how nature works.. but the question here lies between you and me, is whether or not such movement is fueled by some divine force, all i can say is that such notion is irrefutable, simply because it is speculative in essence and untestable,.

it all boils down to perspectives bai.. for me it is, for you it's not..
speaking of Laws, how did these Laws of nature emerged? who, what laid or how are these laws laid over? --this is not me saying aha! kay wa tay tubag asa gikan ang natural law therefore there's God. Lol
rather, it is a question basing from the reality of the existence and purpose of Law itself.

we make laws to create order, we have laws to maintain peace, we adhere to the laws binding us to sustain the peace and order these laws produce..
same thing with nature, if we keep the natural law..creation will be preserved.
as long as we adhere to boundaries of natural law, we can maintain the order of things.. for example , fishing: dakpon lang ang mga isda nga angay na kaonon...i balik ang kadtong naay bihod(itlog) gamit ug sakto nga sukod sa pukot para di maapil ang mga gagmayng isda..

from natural law to civil and Laws made by men..tanan prehas ra ug tumong.. for peace,order and preservation as well as improvement..

now, we can both agree that if a country has no law whatsoever, it is leading towards chaos and would eventually break down..even a small family, if wlay disiplina, walay balaod..managko jud nang way klaro ang mga bata..
therefore, mao naay congreso, senado ug presidente ang nasod para aning mga balaod..mao ang mga ginikanan mag butang jud ug mga balaod..
same thing with nature, the only difference is makita nato ang mga naghimo sa balaod sa nasod ug sa panimalay.ug sa natural laws kay wala..naa ba jud kahay naghimo?

here is how i see things considering the nature and purpose of Law.
Laws point out to purpose..
in order for purpose to exist, it requires intelligence..
whenever there is intelligence, a being must exist.

maybe, but i dont think it's anything divine..

perhaps you could share the alternative?

[mixeein]

Sa bible jud ko motuo. Dako akong pagtuo nga naa jud Ginoo kay na experience naman nako iyang presence especially kung naa ka sa church og sinsiro lang imong pagsimba, ma feel jud nimo iyang prence og naa kay happiness and contentment sa imong life.
You will mature spiritually if you have faith with action.

Kaysa motuo ra ka og science og mag-atheist ka, unya what if moabot ang panahon nga naa jud diay Ginoo. Dako kaayo ang pagmahay. Mas maayo na motuo na lang. Kay kung kami sa among pagtuo moabot ang panahon unya wala jud diay Ginoo, at least walay mawala sa amoa.

[noy]

mao nang proof nimo?

hahahahahahahahahahaaha KOMEDYANTE KAAYO KANG DAKO! Mr."I LOVE SCIENCE"

Dili na proof BUGO! "nonetheless, they're proof" sa imong nawong unsa nako pag disprove ana na dili mana proof? hahahahaha

Kasabot ka unsa nang proof? hala cge e google kataw-anan man ka oi hahahaha "I LOVE SCIENCE" lagi daw unya dili kabalo kung unsay proof hahahahaha

Balik-balikon nako ni hangtud naa kay ikatubag na tarong diha bugoa ka:

*Proof that evolution was directed by your imaginary friend
*Proof of the existence of your imaginary friend

Ayaw cgeg dramax2 diha pakit-i kog tinuod na proof, dili ko pareha nimong bugo na mudawat ug binugo na proof hahahahaha

E disprove lagi daw nako iyahang proof unya walay gipakita sa akoa na proof hahahahahaha

Erasa nang I LOVE SCIENCE sa imuhang profile oi baga kag nawong bugoa ka hahahaha

hahaha! sus! balihon nalang ko nimu kay wa kay ikatubag! bayota ka!
hahay..gaan ug chance..akong balikon ug akong i expound gamay. LOL

here is the REASON why i believe evolution is DIRECTED.

We see that natural bodies work with a goal and for a purpose.(purpose in the sense that everything in creation have their corresponding roles and parts in sustaining creation).
but we also know that most natural bodies like the heavenly bodies in the universe or the things in nature do not have Knowledge and Intelligence on them but because of the the Laws governing them, they are able to function properly and orderly.
we see specific Laws governing everything hence produced specific effects.
Evolution is subject to these LAWS.. like sa akong tubag ni jhared.

now, judging by the Nature of Law itself
Laws point out to purpose..prehas anang muingon mods nga stick to the topic..purpose ana is to maintain order diri sa forum.
in order for purpose to exist, it requires intelligence..of course, kinsa may maghuna-huna kung unsa nga balaod ibutang..
Finally, whenever there is intelligence, a being must exist.. alangan man pud ug naay intelligence ang kahoy! LOL or di ba kaha imung pink unicorn..LOL

KLARO na ni ha! sige yot! sugdi na ug pagarpar! siguradoa lang nga REFUTATION na imung isuwat ha!
imung statistics sa 1%?kalimtan nalang? sa naman tawn ni oi!!!!

mao ning ingun ko nga nonetheless they're proofs because i know dili ka mudawat sa akong proof! agta! Lol sabta palihug di kay pagarpar dritso bayota ka!
now, if gusto jud nimu i prove nga sayop akong proof then i-refute..simple!

[Vedder]

Sa bible jud ko motuo. Dako akong pagtuo nga naa jud Ginoo kay na experience naman nako iyang presence especially kung naa ka sa church og sinsiro lang imong pagsimba, ma feel jud nimo iyang prence og naa kay happiness and contentment sa imong life.
You will mature spiritually if you have faith with action.

Kaysa motuo ra ka og science og mag-atheist ka, unya what if moabot ang panahon nga naa jud diay Ginoo. Dako kaayo ang pagmahay. Mas maayo na motuo na lang. Kay kung kami sa among pagtuo moabot ang panahon unya wala jud diay Ginoo, at least walay mawala sa amoa.

Bitaw noh, mu tuo na lang ko, basig pa mamatay ko naa diay ginoo unya padalhon ko niya sa impyerno kay wala ko ni tuo niya....Cge mu tuo na kog ginoo.











































































































































































































































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