Religion or NO Religion?

[pakinimo]

i know the so called flaws of Genesis and i researched it too myself... but i havent found one... can you state some examples?

nevermind kay daghan kaau, nia mutaas pa ang discussion wa ghapon padulngan kay i know d man mausab imo huna2, but if openminded jd ka bro makakita jud kas flaws sa imong kaugalingon beliefs. I know unsay disadvantage sa atheism and I accept it

the Bible stated about Moses being one of the princes of Egypt, and the Bible also said that the golden chariots of Pharoah was drowned in the Red Sea when it was split into half and the Israelites passed through it... tan awa ang mga evidence... naa pay traces of that sa Red Sea, and Moses' name is there in Egypt.. murag naa sa pyramids..

How is this proof that god exists?

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that question is not for you btw but since you asked, atheism is a disbelief that there is God, i know.. and most atheists if not, all atheists believe in science thats why im asking

ok then but if you ask me, I dont know how the universe came to be

[C'thulhu]

i dont get your point..

What I meant was, correct me if I'm wrong, in order for man to do good, man has to be threatened with punishment(eternal damnation) and reward(eternal life)? Sort of like using positive and negative reinforcements to achieve a desired behavior?

[gahob13]

nevermind kay daghan kaau, nia mutaas pa ang discussion wa ghapon padulngan kay i know d man mausab imo huna2, but if openminded jd ka bro makakita jud kas flaws sa imong kaugalingon beliefs. I know unsay disadvantage sa atheism and I accept it


How is this proof that god exists?

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ok then but if you ask me, I dont know how the universe came to be

Sir, ganahan kaau ko nimo ka storya kay mo respect ka sa uban taw... salamat kaau jud... hehe ^_^

uhm about sa akong gipang ingon, that would prove God's existence because its written in the Bible... and the Bible is the word of God...

and science cant really explain how the universe came to be... and why is it so organized... but when i said "express the universe", doesnt mean the origin.. the question there is how does science, when it comes to terms, express the universe?

naa lang ko gamay nga isulti ha, science express the universe in terms of time, space, matter, and energy...
and since Genesis man ang ingon nga daghan ug flaws.. tan awn nato sa Genesis ha... the first three verses of the Bible stated how science express the universe...
Genesis 1:1-3
"[1]In the beginning(time), God created the heavens(space) and the earth(matter)." then we jump to verse "[3]and God said let there be light(energy)."

[gahob13]

What I meant was, correct me if I'm wrong, in order for man to do good, man has to be threatened with punishment(eternal damnation) and reward(eternal life)? Sort of like using positive and negative reinforcements to achieve a desired behavior?

ahhh now i feel you.... you are half correct... but if a man does good for its reward, then he wants the reward, not the thought of being good... that is why in order for man to do good bisan unsaon pagtay og sa pagtoo, he has to love God with all of his heart... in that, we will never turn our backs to God bisan unsa kadaghan sa problema... example lang ani is our love sa usa ka taw. dba, f love nimo ang isa ka taw, buhaton nimo tanan basta para lang sa ika maau sa taw?

[Mikoyan]

the Bible stated about Moses being one of the princes of Egypt, and the Bible also said that the golden chariots of Pharoah was drowned in the Red Sea when it was split into half and the Israelites passed through it... tan awa ang mga evidence... naa pay traces of that sa Red Sea, and Moses' name is there in Egypt.. murag naa sa pyramids..

Walay records na gikan sa mga egyptians mismo na naay moses na prince sa egypt, wala pud records na naay exodus na nahitabo sa egypt.

BUGO.

[C'thulhu]

ahhh now i feel you.... you are half correct... but if a man does good for its reward, then he wants the reward, not the thought of being good... that is why in order for man to do good bisan unsaon pagtay og sa pagtoo, he has to love God with all of his heart... in that, we will never turn our backs to God bisan unsa kadaghan sa problema... example lang ani is our love sa usa ka taw. dba, f love nimo ang isa ka taw, buhaton nimo tanan basta para lang sa ika maau sa taw?

Yes, in that scenario, man is doing good for the reward... Can man do good without the reward? Or punishment even? Which makes me ponder on the inherent nature of man...

[gahob13]

Walay records na gikan sa mga egyptians mismo na naay moses na prince sa egypt, wala pud records na naay exodus na nahitabo sa egypt.

BUGO.

oyy haha... duplicate account lang haha walay records huh? Is there evidence of the Exodus from Egypt?
Egyptian history and the biblical record: a perfect match? - creation.com

[vinceman]

Maypa si @pakinimo, claro ang gibarugan, di pareho sa uban dre mag bully2x lang gyud para ingnon brayt.
@pakinimo, for the theists, what cannot be explained by science is considered to be made by God.

Science is evolving, depending on technology. Scientific discoveries can be disproven by new scientific discoveries. Which means what we believe about science now might be proven to be wrong by another scientist tomorrow. Also, kita mutuo dayon ta sa science bisan wa ta mismo nag experiment kung tinuod ba.

Ang christians ug muslim, di mo evolve ilang religion kay 1 ra ilang basis , ilang libro. Whether ma prove scientifically nga naay faults sa ilang libro, di gyud na mausab ilang pagtuo kay ilang libro dli lang mka satisfy sa ilang intellect but more sa spiritual need.

Kung love nimo imong uyab unya muingon siya nga " I love you, pakinimo", tuo dayon. Ayaw na pangitag scientific evidence nga love gyud diay ka niya. Sama ana ang ginoo sa theists.

[gahob13]

Yes, in that scenario, man is doing good for the reward... Can man do good without the reward? Or punishment even? Which makes me ponder on the inherent nature of man...

Yes, man can do good without it... just by loving God... great example from the Bible is the story of Shadrach, meshac, and abednego.. when they didnt worship the image made by Nebbuchadnezzar, they said these words... "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and He will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if He does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up."[Daniel 3:16-18]

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Maypa si @pakinimo, claro ang gibarugan, di pareho sa uban dre mag bully2x lang gyud para ingnon brayt.
@pakinimo, for the theists, what cannot be explained by science is considered to be made by God.

Science is evolving, depending on technology. Scientific discoveries can be disproven by new scientific discoveries. Which means what we believe about science now might be proven to be wrong by another scientist tomorrow. Also, kita mutuo dayon ta sa science bisan wa ta mismo nag experiment kung tinuod ba.

Ang christians ug muslim, di mo evolve ilang religion kay 1 ra ilang basis , ilang libro. Whether ma prove scientifically nga naay faults sa ilang libro, di gyud na mausab ilang pagtuo kay ilang libro dli lang mka satisfy sa ilang intellect but more sa spiritual need.

Kung love nimo imong uyab unya muingon siya nga " I love you, pakinimo", tuo dayon. Ayaw na pangitag scientific evidence nga love gyud diay ka niya. Sama ana ang ginoo sa theists.

amazing explanation sir... God bless

[C'thulhu]

Yes, man can do good without it... just by loving God... great example from the Bible is the story of Shadrach, meshac, and abednego.. when they didnt worship the image made by Nebbuchadnezzar, they said these words... "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and He will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if He does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up."[Daniel 3:16-18]

The good you are referring to here is the allegiance/faith to their religion.God... It even hints of a reward(by saving them)...

What I mean is can man be selfless by nature as to do good without expecting anything in return? Like subscribing to a religion, which the main reason I think is the reward(eternal life etc) or punishment, depending on the subscribers point of view.

Let's say we take the reward and punishment out of the equation and leave the teachings, would man still subscribe to do good without those modifiers?