K to 12 suspension sought amid school woes authored by Sen. Antonio “Sonny’’ F. Trillanes IV

[pak88]

I do not even know you how can that be slander? Even if you have other sources of income, you still will benefit economically from the K-12 program.

You are the one claiming in an earlier post that overpopulation is not a hindrance to economic progress. Now that I point out evidence to the contrary you now say my reply is invalid because it repudiates your assertion that K-12 is the magic bullet that will solve our economic problems?

Since you know exactly everything, have the government spend money on education first before they at least add more years to the K-12 system. The government spends only about a third of amount recommended by the UN in education. In fact, spending per capita in education as a percentage to GDP is less in the Aquino administration. With more years added to the system and hundreds of thousands more students, won't that exacerbate the situation?

The DECS now is not disclosing the number of classrooms backlog that they have. Maybe they found a way to fit 200 students to one or classify the gym or basketball court as one. With that and the lower spending in education as a percentage of GDP, the situation will get worse.

Slanderous because it's your opinion. Opinion without knowing the truth. You based your statements made on one fact, and that I own schools. The schools I run are offering GASTPE scholarships to the less fortunate, and as I've explained, we cater to the educational needs of the Class C citizens in the rural areas. As for the source of my income, I have another profession that pays good enough to raise a family.


Invalid because you are raising another argument that is not directly related to the K-12 program. The lack of provisions in schools due to overpopulation is not a hindrance to fixing our educational system, nor is it impossible to tackle those two problems at the same time. The K-12 education in those countries enabled them to create a massive workforce in the TECH-VOC field which led to the rise of their economy.


Yes.



Exactly. You don't know.

[NudgeDELTA]

I do not even know you how can that be slander? Even if you have other sources of income, you still will benefit economically from the K-12 program.

Slander is the action of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. Regardless if you know me or not, that is slander. Unsubstantial benefit that can't be used in this argument. I consider it a civic duty and not a source of income. As I've mentioned, students in our school are GASTPE grantees.

You are the one claiming in an earlier post that overpopulation is not a hindrance to economic progress. Now that I point out evidence to the contrary you now say my reply is invalid because it repudiates your assertion that K-12 is the magic bullet that will solve our economic problems?

As I've stated. Another argument leaving from the premise that Sen. Trillanes, a military senator acting on an education related legislation is erroneous. Regardless, the statement still stands.

Since you know exactly everything, have the government spend money on education first before they at least add more years to the K-12 system. The government spends only about a third of amount recommended by the UN in education. In fact, spending per capita in education as a percentage to GDP is less in the Aquino administration. With more years added to the system and hundreds of thousands more students, won't that exacerbate the situation?

Nobody ever claimed I know everything or have the power to urge the government to allocate funds. But thanks for thinking of me that way. I am aware of the fact that education, although give the highest allocation, still needs to receive additional funding per the UNESCO standards. It doesn't negate the fact that the need for K-12 is imminent.

The DECS now is not disclosing the number of classrooms backlog that they have. Maybe they found a way to fit 200 students to one or classify the gym or basketball court as one. With that and the lower spending in education as a percentage of GDP, the situation will get worse.

Wrong. It's called DepEd now. Again, you won't find an argument with me when it comes to government allocation of funds. The issue is the imminent need of a curriculum change.

[pak88]

With the way the Deped budget has been falling for the past ten years, I think that needs to be addressed first. I honestly don't see the necessity in K-12. Bigger problems like lack of funding needs to be solved first. Without funding, K-12 will just be like the tons of laws which we have where implementation is impossible. Thinking of the Clean Air Act or the Juvenile Justice Welfare Act, both with well intentions but lacks funding in implementation. Motorists now are burdened with having to have a smoke test even though smoke belchers continue to abound.

I am not entirely opposed to the K-12. But implementation is not ready. We need to develop to the teachers for this, the facilities and the equipment. What programs can they offer and to what degree of competency? Just because we are late in adopting it does not necessitate us follow this trend, even though we lack the resources and competency for this.

Sen. Trillanes can speak his mind since he is a citizen and senator at that. We need to hear dissenting opinion on this. He hears the people on the ground and realizes that the country is not ready for an underfunded program.

Slander is the action of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. Regardless if you know me or not, that is slander. Unsubstantial benefit that can't be used in this argument. I consider it a civic duty and not a source of income. As I've mentioned, students in our school are GASTPE grantees.



As I've stated. Another argument leaving from the premise that Sen. Trillanes, a military senator acting on an education related legislation is erroneous. Regardless, the statement still stands.



Nobody ever claimed I know everything or have the power to urge the government to allocate funds. But thanks for thinking of me that way. I am aware of the fact that education, although give the highest allocation, still needs to receive additional funding per the UNESCO standards. It doesn't negate the fact that the need for K-12 is imminent.



Wrong. It's called DepEd now. Again, you won't find an argument with me when it comes to government allocation of funds. The issue is the imminent need of a curriculum change.

[NudgeDELTA]

With the way the Deped budget has been falling for the past ten years, I think that needs to be addressed first. I honestly don't see the necessity in K-12. Bigger problems like lack of funding needs to be solved first. Without funding, K-12 will just be like the tons of laws which we have where implementation is impossible. Thinking of the Clean Air Act or the Juvenile Justice Welfare Act, both with well intentions but lacks funding in implementation. Motorists now are burdened with having to have a smoke test even though smoke belchers continue to abound.

The origin of the imminent necessity of the K-12 Curriculum

1. To help develop the children's cognitive growth at a young age.
2. To put the country’s public education system at par, comparable, and competitive with the rest of the world
3. It addresses the aim of a knowledge based economy.
4. To enable high school graduates the option to pursue jobs with a basic education diploma, because not everyone wants to go to college yet everyone needs to earn and make a living.
5. To address the problem of accreditation of Philippine graduates when applying for postgraduate courses and employment overseas.
6. Spiral progression structured learning allows for a curriculum more relevant to learners.
7. To allow maturity that affects human development of high school graduates, for them to be emotionally prepared for employment.

I am not entirely opposed to the K-12. But implementation is not ready. We need to develop to the teachers for this, the facilities and the equipment. What programs can they offer and to what degree of competency? Just because we are late in adopting it does not necessitate us follow this trend, even though we lack the resources and competency for this.

I am in agreement as to the lack of provisions and the quality of teachers, but again, I still stand with the imminent necessity of the program. Senior High teachers will need to have NC III qualifications if it's TECH-VOC, and the appropriate masters equivalent for the academic route. In essence, the 1st and 2nd year college teachers will be the ones teaching the grade 11 and 12. It is no secret that they are now taking the LET in preparation to teach in the basic education sector. Simply put, if it rains you need to buy a cheap umbrella or pick up a piece of cardboard for shelter even if you are short on funds. You don't wait for your mommy to bring you money.

Sen. Trillanes can speak his mind since he is a citizen and senator at that. We need to hear dissenting opinion on this. He hears the people on the ground and realizes that the country is not ready for an underfunded program.

Senator Trillanes can air out what he feels. Argument through differing opinions is good, and your vigilance is to be acclaimed. But in the end, we should leave it to the experts in education. Trillanes hears nothing, but he sees an opportunity. It is once again the season for attention seekers. The bill went pass by him and yet he can't do anything but respect the rule of majority. We are sovereign after all. Last I checked, this is still a democratic country.

[pak88]

From what I know, the high school education curriculum will offer specialized vocational and technical education comprising of bartending, cooking, welding, wiring, dressmaking and other vocational skills needed of the international labor market. If I am a parent I would ask why should I pay for that and everyone should to. Except welding parents can teach those skills at home. With the high classroom size in schools today, what level of competency can they learn from that? If I will go to college I would not want to waste my time and my parent's money on that.

If they want advanced specialized skills, let them study in specialized vocational schools which will offer higher level of technical skills. It will be cheaper and more cost effective for the government to subsidize these schools rather than implementing teaching vocational courses at high school.

During the past decade, the government encouraged the proliferation of nursing and caregiving schools and now they form the bulk of the unemployed. The people should not blindly follow the magic pill of the K-12 program that some say will solve the unemployment problem. I doubt that you will be hired just because you studied a short course in high school for that.

The K-12 is the government’s way out to the problem of unemployment and the failure to generate jobs for the people.

The origin of the imminent necessity of the K-12 Curriculum

1. To help develop the children's cognitive growth at a young age.
2. To put the country’s public education system at par, comparable, and competitive with the rest of the world
3. It addresses the aim of a knowledge based economy.
4. To enable high school graduates the option to pursue jobs with a basic education diploma, because not everyone wants to go to college yet everyone needs to earn and make a living.
5. To address the problem of accreditation of Philippine graduates when applying for postgraduate courses and employment overseas.
6. Spiral progression structured learning allows for a curriculum more relevant to learners.
7. To allow maturity that affects human development of high school graduates, for them to be emotionally prepared for employment.

I am in agreement as to the lack of provisions and the quality of teachers, but again, I still stand with the imminent necessity of the program. Senior High teachers will need to have NC III qualifications if it's TECH-VOC, and the appropriate masters equivalent for the academic route. In essence, the 1st and 2nd year college teachers will be the ones teaching the grade 11 and 12. It is no secret that they are now taking the LET in preparation to teach in the basic education sector. Simply put, if it rains you need to buy a cheap umbrella or pick up a piece of cardboard for shelter even if you are short on funds. You don't wait for your mommy to bring you money.



Senator Trillanes can air out what he feels. Argument through differing opinions is good, and your vigilance is to be acclaimed. But in the end, we should leave it to the experts in education. Trillanes hears nothing, but he sees an opportunity. It is once again the season for attention seekers. The bill went pass by him and yet he can't do anything but respect the rule of majority. We are sovereign after all. Last I checked, this is still a democratic country.

[NudgeDELTA]

From what I know, the high school education curriculum will offer specialized vocational and technical education comprising of bartending, cooking, welding, wiring, dressmaking and other vocational skills needed of the international labor market. If I am a parent I would ask why should I pay for that and everyone should to. Except welding parents can teach those skills at home. With the high classroom size in schools today, what level of competency can they learn from that? If I will go to college I would not want to waste my time and my parent's money on that.

Other than TECH-VOC, academic routers will also be offered (e.g. caregiving to nursing, pre-accountancy to accountancy, etc.) Teaching? Yes. Teaching with the same skills competency? I doubt. But in the future, probably. Since the department has been pushing for homeschooling as an alternative. That's another issue. At present, the graduates will still need to acquire an NC II or national certification certificate from TESDA. Unless students are content at a certificate given by their parents, the school is still the source of competency based testing and commencement. That's where Kindergarten training comes in. At the kindergarten level they are taught problem based learning (PBL). Exploration of some sorts, where the teacher gives an instruction and the pupils are left to solve them. Again, it's not a question of what I or you want. It's a democratic country where anyone can do what they want, provided it is within the scope of our laws.

If they want advanced specialized skills, let them study in specialized vocational schools which will offer higher level of technical skills. It will be cheaper and more cost effective for the government to subsidize these schools rather than implementing teaching vocational courses at high school.

Geography plays a role. In my previous post, I talked about minimizing expenses by staying home and in local schools as opposed to heading out for college in the cities or bigger municipalities.

During the past decade, the government encouraged the proliferation of nursing and caregiving schools and now they form the bulk of the unemployed. The people should not blindly follow the magic pill of the K-12 program that some say will solve the unemployment problem. I doubt that you will be hired just because you studied a short course in high school for that.

The decline of the caregiving and nursing opportunities abroad was because of cases where Filipinos committed heinous crimes. Thus giving a bad image for future applicants. Another point is to increase the deviation and variety of programs the students will take. USC should be acknowledged for starting that scheme where a student can only take a course or program based on the result of his/her aptitude test. Parents are the culprit. They want their children to be doctors, engineers, lawyers, nurses, etc. The K-12 is not a "magic pill", it's a chemotherapy incrementally applied to achieve a prognosis.

The K-12 is the government’s way out to the problem of unemployment and the failure to generate jobs for the people.

Yes it is a government's way out to the problem of unemployment, hence, the cure. As long as newspapers and online recruitment or placement sites are still publishing jobs everyday, there are jobs.

[pak88]

The ability to get jobs based on a course you took in high school seems vague. From what I know the caregiving jobs in Western countries dried up because Visas were denied and the reason was that the government would prefer hiring locals rather than issuing visas to foreigners. The premise that you can get a work visa for your high school diploma is vague since other countries are demanding higher level of educational attainment from Third World countries perhaps realizing the oversupply of labor from Third World Countries. With this situation, the expenses of parents would just double since the value of the high school certification would be devalued due to oversupply.

The K-12 also does not take into account that some children in private schools have already sent their children to school a minimum 3 years before even before stepping into Grade 1. That is why I observed seven year old children have mastered the multiplication table at such an early age. As a result of the K-12, parents of these children will be unduly burdened by additional years of expenses to study bartending and cooking (really?). It seems that we are dumbing down these children to fit the new curriculum.

I don't deny that jobs are there, it is just insufficient to support the level of population that we have.

Other than TECH-VOC, academic routers will also be offered (e.g. caregiving to nursing, pre-accountancy to accountancy, etc.) Teaching? Yes. Teaching with the same skills competency? I doubt. But in the future, probably. Since the department has been pushing for homeschooling as an alternative. That's another issue. At present, the graduates will still need to acquire an NC II or national certification certificate from TESDA. Unless students are content at a certificate given by their parents, the school is still the source of competency based testing and commencement. That's where Kindergarten training comes in. At the kindergarten level they are taught problem based learning (PBL). Exploration of some sorts, where the teacher gives an instruction and the pupils are left to solve them. Again, it's not a question of what I or you want. It's a democratic country where anyone can do what they want, provided it is within the scope of our laws.



Geography plays a role. In my previous post, I talked about minimizing expenses by staying home and in local schools as opposed to heading out for college in the cities or bigger municipalities.



The decline of the caregiving and nursing opportunities abroad was because of cases where Filipinos committed heinous crimes. Thus giving a bad image for future applicants. Another point is to increase the deviation and variety of programs the students will take. USC should be acknowledged for starting that scheme where a student can only take a course or program based on the result of his/her aptitude test. Parents are the culprit. They want their children to be doctors, engineers, lawyers, nurses, etc. The K-12 is not a "magic pill", it's a chemotherapy incrementally applied to achieve a prognosis.



Yes it is a government's way out to the problem of unemployment, hence, the cure. As long as newspapers and online recruitment or placement sites are still publishing jobs everyday, there are jobs.

[NudgeDELTA]

The ability to get jobs based on a course you took in high school seems vague. From what I know the caregiving jobs in Western countries dried up because Visas were denied and the reason was that the government would prefer hiring locals rather than issuing visas to foreigners. The premise that you can get a work visa for your high school diploma is vague since other countries are demanding higher level of educational attainment from Third World countries perhaps realizing the oversupply of labor from Third World Countries. With this situation, the expenses of parents would just double since the value of the high school certification would be devalued due to oversupply.

Our BEC high school diploma is useless, the K-12 diploma allows you to find a job. TESDA graduates already have their jobs as proof. The K-12 aims for a bifocal resolution of unemployment. More than the propagation of workforce exports abroad, it aims to equally distribute manpower to different fields in the country. Visas were not denied because they prefer their locals. They don't want the type of jobs our countrymen are doing. I was in the US when recession broke lose. There is an oversupply because parents are putting their children concentrated in the same fields.

The K-12 also does not take into account that some children in private schools have already sent their children to school a minimum 3 years before even before stepping into Grade 1. That is why I observed seven year old children have mastered the multiplication table at such an early age. As a result of the K-12, parents of these children will be unduly burdened by additional years of expenses to study bartending and cooking (really?). It seems that we are dumbing down these children to fit the new curriculum.

Nobody told them to send their children early. Understand "academic exhaustion" and Jean Piaget's theory of cognitive development to be enlightened. Early structured learning are ploys of private schools to enroll with them. Traditional direct instruction of the private schools are inferior to the new progressive approach of the K-12. It's only "dumb" if you don't understand it.

I don't deny that jobs are there, it is just insufficient to support the level of population that we have.

The K-12 is the government’s way out to the problem of unemployment and the failure to generate jobs for the people.

Two contradicting statements above. Last I checked, if you fail to generate jobs, there are no jobs created. Insufficient according to you. Should the public believe you over official statistics? Are you now the authority in employment? Unless you are an economist with numbers and could correlate unemployment to the failure to generate jobs, what you say again is your opinion.

[pak88]

I am not claiming "expertise" in this field. You are the one doing that. It is easy to claim authority on a matter under the cloak of anonymity. I am just a simple citizen expressing my opinion on the matter however dumb they may be.

The unemployment rate in the US is still high. Plus they are faced with a glut of illegal immigrants. Do you think they would issue work visas to Filipinos on high school diplomas when there are a glut of semi-skilled workers in immigrants?

They sent their children to school early because they want the best education available for their children. Can you fault them for that? Now they will be punished by additional years without even considering the years that they already sent their children to school?

How can that last statement be contradictory? Even the worst economies North Korea generates jobs, just not enough for the population.

Our BEC high school diploma is useless, the K-12 diploma allows you to find a job. TESDA graduates already have their jobs as proof. The K-12 aims for a bifocal resolution of unemployment. More than the propagation of workforce exports abroad, it aims to equally distribute manpower to different fields in the country. Visas were not denied because they prefer their locals. They don't want the type of jobs our countrymen are doing. I was in the US when recession broke lose. There is an oversupply because parents are putting their children concentrated in the same fields.



Nobody told them to send their children early. Understand "academic exhaustion" and Jean Piaget's theory of cognitive development to be enlightened. Early structured learning are ploys of private schools to enroll with them. Traditional direct instruction of the private schools are inferior to the new progressive approach of the K-12. It's only "dumb" if you don't understand it.





Two contradicting statements above. Last I checked, if you fail to generate jobs, there are no jobs created. Insufficient according to you. Should the public believe you over official statistics? Are you now the authority in employment? Unless you are an economist with numbers and could correlate unemployment to the failure to generate jobs, what you say again is your opinion.

[NudgeDELTA]

I am not claiming "expertise" in this field. You are the one doing that. It is easy to claim authority on a matter under the cloak of anonymity. I am just a simple citizen expressing my opinion on the matter however dumb they may be.

I don't claim. I was telling you that I am and I was educating you on the matter. Since, your opinions are baseless and you are not in the field of education (with the hesitation to read), you will not understand any of these.

The unemployment rate in the US is still high. Plus they are faced with a glut of illegal immigrants. Do you think they would issue work visas to Filipinos on high school diplomas when there are a glut of semi-skilled workers in immigrants?

Yes. There are other countries as well who are still opening its doors to us.

They sent their children to school early because they want the best education available for their children. Can you fault them for that? Now they will be punished by additional years without even considering the years that they already sent their children to school?

Yes. Because they don't understand the theory of learning.

How can that last statement be contradictory? Even the worst economies North Korea generates jobs, just not enough for the population.

Because they are.

You will never have an argument, not unless you understand. You will never understand, because you won't read (if not paid). Re-read what I have written and assimilate.

At least, next time you won't be blabbering opinions anymore.

From: An Expert