Independence Day

[raissah]

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daghan ganahan ma amerikano diri o. american citizenship, dollars, nba etc. suyaon gyud ning pinoy (pinoy sad ko ha wa ko nanghunaw)

kay mas hayahay man ug way hasol kung gisagop nalang ta sa mga foreigner. han-ay na tanan : ang goberno, sistema, and all the other facets of a modern society mao ng daghan ganahan, kapit sa malakas ba.. dili ganahan mu agi og mautingkay ug maduguon nga proseso

some people would just rather move aside and don't give a d*mn all for the sake of convenience. the indifference of some of our middle class greatly affects this country

wa may salig sa mga pinoy ning uban diri. hehe.

happy independence day gihapon ko oy. double pay gud. nyahahaha

sus! only if gisagop nlang unta ta. pero kay wala man, aw antus! brayt gud puros ning atong mga pinoy leaders nga perti na diay nilang pahimulos aning pdaf. mao nay naka daot ug pinoy bro. sigeg pagarpar pero wlay buhat. mao dli jud ko kamahay nga maka huna huna ning uban dre nga maayo untag nasakop nlang ta. dli na unta mag speech2 ron si jinggoy. hahahhaa

[C'thulhu]

Simply because they took advantage of our ancestor's ignorance. No matter how hard we help each other, there is no way we stand against the fact that Filipinos are now global slaves. Because majority of us don't have their own land to sow or even build their houses and that because we've been under the cloak of what you call Fil-Chi... Pardon me, we may not conquered by force but sad to say we've been inbreed and by it they established a half-breed Empire where our President is just a Prime Minister. So you think they came here to do business? Look around' what makes a business that let million'S of Filipino starve, P80.00-P120.00 a day <ask Uni*** Employees>. Why then what you said government allows that when they imposed a minimum wage of P320.00, even of those who worked in Ga**ano and eSeM they get way too low salary than they supposed to have.

Racist is when I say "wake up you half-eyed Chinese and go", what I said in my previous post is my point of view of what might actually happen here, as to why we consider ourselves free yet feels like we are bound in chains.

Independence Day is not for us to celebrate, let the few, and we wait for Christmas.

If you say took advantage, during the spanish times, the Chinese immigrants which were commonly called the sangleys by the Spaniards then were cheap labor. Some eventually became traders but are far from influential. Take for example the Parian are which used to be where the Sangleys are settled. Ever wonder why a third of fort San Pedro's cannons are pointed there?

Slaves only exist as long as they allow themselves to be enslaved.

And about land, was it not that majority of the land holdings were owned by the Spanish elites and friars, later some of them were re-distributed by the Americans to Filipino natives? And now mostly held by the Filipino elites and political families?

Come again on this cloak called Fil-Chi? Please do expound as I fail to grasp that concept. Also this in-breed and half-breed empire, can you also expound on this as I also fail to grasp what do you mean by it? What is your definition of a Filipino anyway, if I may ask? And what about Pnoy being a prime minister? I don't get it.

And about the business and labor practices of those eatablishments you mentioned. Starving? Really? If its that bad, why do people still work there? Our labor laws are one of the most pro labor that I have known. Them millions of underpaid workers could just go work somewhere else or file a class complaint against their employers or just take to the streets don't you think?

Yes that may be your point of view, and I also have mine. The question is where do we go from here? Do we continue to pull each other down to the bottom of this cesspool we are in. Or do we work together to make this country of ours prosper?

Oh stop blaming the politicians... Is it not obvious who placed the there in the first place?

Happy Independance Day nonetheless.

[THE KID]

daku og pasalamat ang mga Muslims sa mga Chinese...hehehehe

[sweetpok]

What Independence are we talking about again?

Holiday ra ni para nako, a day out from work.

[C'thulhu]

A little something to read...

Although I'm no fan of him, but I share his views on this...

Rage | Opinion, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

This could be a watershed moment — if the issues are defined correctly.

A million people have been summoned to the streets today to protest the corruption that long infested our politics. There will be rage in the streets of Manila and other urban centers nationwide today. It is rage well justified.

We are not sure yet if it will be rage well-directed.

The scandal involving the galaxy of NGOs set by Janet Lim Napoles to launder pork barrel funds partially lifted the veil on the processes by which state funds were looted wholesale by the very political class we elected to govern us well. We all knew the looting was going on, except that we had no means to unmask it in its full compass.

In this particular case, we had whistleblowers, a paper trail and the usual suspects. Yet something funny happened on the way to unmasking the crimes committed against the people. The suspects composed the jury. The investigators we rely on to bring forth the larger truth all had political interests to protect and cronies to shield.

Remember Pontius Pilate. He had the burden of protecting the larger interests of the empire. He was content with having a few Jews crucified to appease a restless people, as long as the larger status of the imperium was kept intact. Crucifixions always had great (albeit perverse) entertainment value, and for the ruling classes the precious efficacy of misdirection.

Opinion ( Article MRec ), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1


A crucifixion is in order today. Those slated for the slaughter probably deserve their fate. It is the empire, however, the basic order of things that most deserves indictment.

That basic order of things ensures we will always be irresponsibly governed, that democratically acquired political power is understood as license to loot, and that the strategic interests of nationhood will always be overlooked.

Two decades ago, Jose Almonte (then National Security Adviser) found the term most apt term for the malaise that plagued our democracy. He spoke of a “pork barrel state”: an arrangement that enabled the oligarchy to persist through extensive networks of patronage. All the patronage was, of course, sourced from the public fund that should have been used to build up our social capital.

Patronage politics squandered what could have been used to build firm foundations for a robust people’s economy that sustainably multiplied opportunities and adequately rewarded our willingness to work. Patronage politics forbid the entry of patriots and statesmen into the edifice of power. It politicized business, allowed regulatory capture and foreclosed visionary leadership. It awarded power to those with least merit.

Patronage politics ensured there were enough crumbs allowed to fall from the table. That ensures the rats will not rebel.

A generation ago, unsustainable borrowing brought our economy into a debilitating debt crisis. A lot of the borrowing, to be sure, ended up in the pockets of oligarchs. The major portion of it, however, went to unwise subsidies that, to the myopic, seemed to benefit the poor.

These mammoth subsidies went to power, fuel, transport, water and food. For decades, extensive subsidies, funded from borrowed money (like today’s conditional cash transfer program) created a false state-sponsored economy swamped the real economy, preventing the dynamism that enabled our neighbors to move forward more quickly than us.

Power, fuel, transport, water and food were all subsidized to keep the masses happy. With the stunting of the real economy, however, the same politics of patronage engorged the ranks of the poor.

It was, sadly, an unsustainable system. The tipping point was reached when we could no longer service the debts we incurred funding a pork barrel state.

The “structural adjustments” enforced in the aftermath of the debt crisis (generation of higher revenues through higher taxes, less spending on infrastructure, and cutbacks on subsidies) involved much pain. Even as we reformed our pork barrel state, however, our usual politics remained cast in pork barrel mode.

Politicians were expected to dispense largesse. They looked after emergency medical expenses, dispensed scholarships and sponsored fiestas. They were supposed to personify the pork barrel state.

Political support was won through bribery. All politics was transactional. All alliances were contingent on the loot.

This is why politicians behave a lot like Robin Hood, stealing from the public coffers to please the poor. This is why the national government is riddled with all sorts of special discretionary funds — the DAP, the President’s Social Fund, “intelligence” funds etc. — which are the sources of even more corruption. The funds are needed to buy political support, as in the impeachment of Renato Corona.

We are trapped in both a system and a mindset conducive to looting public funds. Every shakedown is justified as necessary to fill the party war chest for the next electoral round. This is why every electoral round is a lavish feast where more crumbs than usual fall for the rats to relish.

Unfortunately, we cannot imprison our political system. We have to work, piece by piece, to change it.

[ivinrey13]

daku og pasalamat ang mga Muslims sa mga Chinese...hehehehe

dako sad unta tag pasalamat sa mga kano...kung wala pa ning adlawa...

[anggwaponi]

di ba ni dapat sa general discussion?

sori Sarevok

next time sa General Discussion nako ibautang. aheheh

[æRLO]

For the sake of discussion, ibutang ta lang nga wla nato pangayua atong independence from the US. Unsa kahay nahitabo ron sa atong country? Ako ra nga na imagine nga pwedi ra ta mka gawas sulod sa US (katong naay ika pleti), uhmm dollars na pod guro atong currency (possibly), dli na unta ta maka agi ug ingon ani nga mga issue about pork barrel and stuff sa atong gobyerno.

Unsay tan-aw ninyo? Unsa pa uban nga possibilities nga pwedi mahitabo sa atong nasud negative man or possitive, kung nagpadaun pa lang ta ron nga under sa US.

ganahan rako mag imagine.

Think Hawaii, to a degree, only ethnic Filipinos take up around 80-90% of the population. Or a better example Guam, but on a bigger scale. I guarantee you, significantly less sad ang corruption. Our main medium of instruction will be English of course, but we would be absorbed into the U.S. in a time that it is okay to assimilate without totally erasing cultural aspects (before, conquerors would make a concerted effort to actually erase every trace of culture sa ilang mga na conquer. Of course we will be spending green, and traveling to other countries in blue (in general). And the country, as an American state, will enjoy a sense of stability that we have yet to achieve in modern philippine context. Standard of living will be American standard (which is good), infrastructures will be better, and our government, in this case a state government, would be extremely efficient. I might even surmise that they might opt to divide the Philippines into two smaller states (like North Philippines and South Philippines)--because of the population of the Philippines at the time.

Simply because they took advantage of our ancestor's ignorance. No matter how hard we help each other, there is no way we stand against the fact that Filipinos are now global slaves. Because majority of us don't have their own land to sow or even build their houses and that because we've been under the cloak of what you call Fil-Chi... Pardon me, we may not conquered by force but sad to say we've been inbreed and by it they established a half-breed Empire where our President is just a Prime Minister. So you think they came here to do business? Look around' what makes a business that let million'S of Filipino starve, P80.00-P120.00 a day <ask Uni*** Employees>. Why then what you said government allows that when they imposed a minimum wage of P320.00, even of those who worked in Ga**ano and eSeM they get way too low salary than they supposed to have.

Racist is when I say "wake up you half-eyed Chinese and go", what I said in my previous post is my point of view of what might actually happen here, as to why we consider ourselves free yet feels like we are bound in chains.

Independence Day is not for us to celebrate, let the few, and we wait for Christmas.

WE just have to find a group to scapegoat on.

actually, you were being racist. And that's coming from a fellow racist like myself. You sound just like the antisemitic movement that became Nazi Germany. Unsay sunod plano nimu? pasuoton ug armband para ma-identify ang mga insik? When you put the blame or point fingers at a race/ethnic group--THAT'S RACISM. You are right though, naay kina-iya ang insik. But dili mao imong interpretation. The Chinese are successful because they suffer less from crab-mentality. They are also frugal and very practical, sometimes to a fault.
Christ man, there are millions of people in this world that are being exploited by someone. Not saying it's right, but that is practically how the world works. The real problem is why we let them in the first place.

Let's follow your line of thought. Let's say walay mga insik nga ni take ug advantage sa mga Pilipino, are you that naive to believe there won't be others, like say other Filipinos, who would take their place and do the exploiting themselves? This is the world you were born into: People will always try to screw over other people. This is where all that Darwinism crap comes out. You should be saying "darn, why didn't MY ancestors think of that!". For the record, I'm not Chinese.

[anggwaponi]

it's sundown which means the day is about to end pero wa nagpasabot nga ang atung kagawasan o nasudnong kaugalingnan muhunong sab


para nako though we only celebrate Independence Day once year apan gawas nga di lang nindut pero mabulokun sab kini o puno sa inspirasyon


usag-usa natu naa kaugalingon nga opinyun ug tingali base sa atung tagsa-tagsa ka eksperensya mao naay mu-ingon nga walay ayo o wa na natumong sa higayun


mura ang eskwelahan na lang ug kadtung naa nagtrabaho sa gobierno ang compulsory nga mutambong sa celebrasyon


wa man gyud tingali absolute freedom o literally speaking atung mabuhat ang atung gusto buhaton nga magbuot-buot lang ta kun ganahan ... it must always be confine in the interest of the general public


sometime o kanunay gyud nga we always get discourage or upset o demoralize of the things nga atu gyud unta gusto muresulta o ipakita sa pangagamhanan ang gitahas sa mga katawhan kanila



their is always that instance nga naa na chance arun angayan unta i-initiate sa gobierno apan lagi naa man favoritism so as usual, ni-fail na sab atung expectation


we don't lost hope nga mupadayon gihapon ta. kay kun mawad-an ta pag-asa o paglaum so kinsa pa man ang atung saligan kundi kita ra gihapon mga Filipino


well, this is my IMHO



matsalams

[emberjim]

If you say took advantage, during the spanish times, the Chinese immigrants which were commonly called the sangleys by the Spaniards then were cheap labor. Some eventually became traders but are far from influential. Take for example the Parian are which used to be where the Sangleys are settled. Ever wonder why a third of fort San Pedro's cannons are pointed there?

Slaves only exist as long as they allow themselves to be enslaved.

And about land, was it not that majority of the land holdings were owned by the Spanish elites and friars, later some of them were re-distributed by the Americans to Filipino natives? And now mostly held by the Filipino elites and political families?

Come again on this cloak called Fil-Chi? Please do expound as I fail to grasp that concept. Also this in-breed and half-breed empire, can you also expound on this as I also fail to grasp what do you mean by it? What is your definition of a Filipino anyway, if I may ask? And what about Pnoy being a prime minister? I don't get it.

And about the business and labor practices of those eatablishments you mentioned. Starving? Really? If its that bad, why do people still work there? Our labor laws are one of the most pro labor that I have known. Them millions of underpaid workers could just go work somewhere else or file a class complaint against their employers or just take to the streets don't you think?

Yes that may be your point of view, and I also have mine. The question is where do we go from here? Do we continue to pull each other down to the bottom of this cesspool we are in. Or do we work together to make this country of ours prosper?

Oh stop blaming the politicians... Is it not obvious who placed the there in the first place?

Happy Independance Day nonetheless.

Please do read it again.

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Think Hawaii, to a degree, only ethnic Filipinos take up around 80-90% of the population. Or a better example Guam, but on a bigger scale. I guarantee you, significantly less sad ang corruption. Our main medium of instruction will be English of course, but we would be absorbed into the U.S. in a time that it is okay to assimilate without totally erasing cultural aspects (before, conquerors would make a concerted effort to actually erase every trace of culture sa ilang mga na conquer. Of course we will be spending green, and traveling to other countries in blue (in general). And the country, as an American state, will enjoy a sense of stability that we have yet to achieve in modern philippine context. Standard of living will be American standard (which is good), infrastructures will be better, and our government, in this case a state government, would be extremely efficient. I might even surmise that they might opt to divide the Philippines into two smaller states (like North Philippines and South Philippines)--because of the population of the Philippines at the time.


WE just have to find a group to scapegoat on.

actually, you were being racist. And that's coming from a fellow racist like myself. You sound just like the antisemitic movement that became Nazi Germany. Unsay sunod plano nimu? pasuoton ug armband para ma-identify ang mga insik? When you put the blame or point fingers at a race/ethnic group--THAT'S RACISM. You are right though, naay kina-iya ang insik. But dili mao imong interpretation. The Chinese are successful because they suffer less from crab-mentality. They are also frugal and very practical, sometimes to a fault.
Christ man, there are millions of people in this world that are being exploited by someone. Not saying it's right, but that is practically how the world works. The real problem is why we let them in the first place.

Let's follow your line of thought. Let's say walay mga insik nga ni take ug advantage sa mga Pilipino, are you that naive to believe there won't be others, like say other Filipinos, who would take their place and do the exploiting themselves? This is the world you were born into: People will always try to screw over other people. This is where all that Darwinism crap comes out. You should be saying "darn, why didn't MY ancestors think of that!". For the record, I'm not Chinese.

I don't know where your eyes went, when I said try to look around you. If you live in an exclusive subdivision try to go out and take a kilometer walk, try rural areas and perhaps the slums. There you find an open field prison, a concentration camp designed for your fellow Filipino. Little by little they were executed by their own fate in their own land. If you say it is by choice, a swear to your ancestor's grave that they never had the choice. Realistically, you were too naive if you believe that nobody ever think of the Hitler's way when they feel the same pounding in their chest as Hitler's when he sees his fellow countryman in the verge of societal degradation. And you were more naive if you think that it is even possible to date. Of course it cannot be. If mentioning the word Chinese to refer Chinese is Racism, what is the appropriate word if I want to refer to Chinese?

I don't have a problem about the world were in to and how it works, I share your views about it. But to stop me from typing words and tell what's about it, is another story. We see things others don't, can't, and won't, we have to share a little bit of fact in a world full of truth and lies.