Just in: A child fell from the 2nd floor of Sm City Cebu

[simoncpu]

as you said, balay nako, akong koral. akong koral, ordinary materials ra kay balay ra man.

sala na nimo kay as an adult, you're very well aware that dili pwede mag-text & drive. so based on your arguement, given the example of my house, sala nimo & other than that, paninglan jud tika sa damages nabuhat nimo sa koral sa ako balay.

whereas sa SM, daku nga establishment that accepts the public to their establishment.

Kung gamiton na sad ni nako nga line of reasoning, it means that SM should sue the parents for damages. LOLz man ni kaayu hahaha...

[cliff_drew]

ambot lang kaha if unsay pasabot anang ilang proper maintenance. normally imo raman na trapohan ang mga glass. hehe.mao raman na pag maintain siguro. im not sure sad di pud ko suhito.

hahaha you got it bai. tuod noh, trapohan man diay na ang glass as proper maintenance lol

even if wala liki ang kato nga glass barrier in question, how can a 6yr old ordinary child break a barrier glass, assuming nga dili to ordinary glass gigamit sa SM?

how it did happened? kay nadasmagan sa bata. plain and simple. kung ordinary glass ba ang gigamit sa SM, i don't think so and i do not know what's 'ordinary glass' to you. as i've checked there, the glass is estimatedly half-inch thick. but bottomline is, all of these questions can be answered if ni push through ug kiha ang parents, naa man gyud na investigation. i doubt ganahan ang parents na maabot sa point nga ingon ana.

as a friend of mine who was nearby national bookstore at that time said, nagsige na ug gukod ang inahan sa bata, but kusog ra kaayo ang dagan sa bata mao to nadasmag siya sa glass barrier.

that's according to you na, nga kusug ang dagan sa bata. can you imagine the impact?

i have siad this before that yes, naa jud blame ang parents but it is wrong to put majority of the blame sa parents. the majority of the blame still goes to SM.

okay i got what you mean but i asked you, what's the percentage of blame the parents have? so kay dili majority ma blame ang parents thus they are partly blamed. would that even change your view?nga walay katungod mosulti ang mga tawo diri unless they became parents. gi blame man kaha gihapon nimo, partly lang. mao nay among gikalibgan. sakto ba ko @simoncpu?

[shearts]

Kung gamiton na sad ni nako nga line of reasoning, it means that SM should sue the parents for damages. LOLz man ni kaayu hahaha...

kung naa pud ka sa tarong nga pang-huna2x or tarong ka nga tao, would you really use this line of reasoning in the real world? sure oi

[lordfred]

Dugaya human sa lalis. Parents are not to blame period. Kani nga mall is for all meaning apil ang mga gagmayng bata.
If you were SM security, dili nimu apilon ug huna huna nga ang mga bata naa juy magkiat? So for your sake and their sake, you must make your establishment as safety as possible, sa uban pang pinulungan child friendly establishment. Walay warnings nga gibutang sa glass pane, meaning these glasses are still durable. And if naa may ibutang dapat ilisdan daun kay pasabot ana weak na ang foundation sa glass.
It is just right nga SM ang mubayad. part of business nga apilon ang safety for all.

[shearts]

how it did happened? kay nadasmagan sa bata. plain and simple. kung ordinary glass ba ang gigamit sa SM, i don't think so and i do not know what's 'ordinary glass' to you. as i've checked there, the glass is estimatedly half-inch thick. but bottomline is, all of these questions can be answered if ni push through ug kiha ang parents, naa man gyud na investigation. i doubt ganahan ang parents na maabot sa point nga ingon ana.

then this goes back to what I initially said, if ako to ang parents sa bata, simbako lang pud nuon, then i will definitely sue the pants off of SM.

that's according to you na, nga kusug ang dagan sa bata. can you imagine the impact?

no matter how strong the impact is of an ordinary 6yr old, it should still not end up na mabuak & matagak ang bata.

okay i got what you mean but i asked you, what's the percentage of blame the parents have? so kay dili majority ma blame ang parents thus they are partly blamed. would that even change your view?nga walay katungod mosulti ang mga tawo diri unless they became parents. gi blame man kaha gihapon nimo, partly lang. mao nay among gikalibgan

adto ra man ko nagreact sa mga nisulti nga majority of the blame goes to the parents kay nag-tanga lang ang inahan.

all i was saying, dili sila makasulti ingana nga mura sayon ra kaayo magbantay ug bata kay wala pa sila anak & wala sila kabalo kung unsa jud ka-lisod.

some would say yes lisod being a parent but this i can say, you will never know how hard it is exactly until you experience it yourself.

you may have an idea about it but once you get there, you may be overwhelmed by it.

again, kani tanan inyo mga question bitaw, na-mention nani nako sa pinaka first jud nako nga post ani nga thread.

mao na sige ra pud ko balik2x sulti nga basaha sa tarong & more importantly, sabton sa before mo-react.

[simoncpu]

okay i got what you mean but i asked you, what's the percentage of blame the parents have? so kay dili majority ma blame ang parents thus they are partly blamed. would that even change your view?nga walay katungod mosulti ang mga tawo diri unless they became parents. gi blame man kaha gihapon nimo, partly lang. mao nay among gikalibgan. sakto ba ko @simoncpu?

Ganahan sad baya ko naa ko anak in da future. Wala man nato gi look down ang parents sa bata... ang message ra jud is "accidents happen in life, but be responsible with your own child; protect them from this kind of accident... don't let them play near the glass railings"

kung naa pud ka sa tarong nga pang-huna2x or tarong ka nga tao, would you really use this line of reasoning in the real world? sure oi

I agree with you 100%, that's why you shouldn't use this line of reasoning in Istorya.net.

[cliff_drew]

Dugaya human sa lalis. Parents are not to blame period. Kani nga mall is for all meaning apil ang mga gagmayng bata.
If you were SM security, dili nimu apilon ug huna huna nga ang mga bata naa juy magkiat? So for your sake and their sake, you must make your establishment as safety as possible, sa uban pang pinulungan child friendly establishment. Walay warnings nga gibutang sa glass pane, meaning these glasses are still durable. And if naa may ibutang dapat ilisdan daun kay pasabot ana weak na ang foundation sa glass.
It is just right nga SM ang mubayad. part of business nga apilon ang safety for all.

you are partly correct nga SM should think of their customers' safety as their number 1 priority. bisan asa pud nga establishment dili lang kay SM. however, when people think nga ang glass is unbreakable or even durable, this is where they are misinformed.

if ang mindset sa parents kay durable ang glass, dili na diay angay bantayan ang mga bata kay bahalag madasmag na sila sa glass total dili mana mabuak. misinformed. mao ni sinugdanan sa lalis nga gi question na ang proper maintenance daw sa SM. same sa akong example nga kung ang mindset sa parents walay malumos sa kiddie pool pero kung mahitabo man nga malumos ang anak, sala na diay sa pool owner.

asa nga part ma blame ang SM? accountability. kay bisan technically dili sala sa SM pero ma blame gihapon kay sulod sa ilang establishment nahitabo. mao they are morally obligated to compensate the family. as safety precautions, naa na silay roving guards. kanang warning sa glass pane pwede sad na ibutang pero it will never change the fact nga mabuak ang glass. ug dili ang SM ra ang naay glass panes/railings.

parents and SM = equally blame

[brucelee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ffRpGS3rA

pareha ra na ana na situation. kinsa kaha dapat iblame?

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basta public places naa jud na hazards, kids will be kids and parents should be responsible over there kids. kn naa accident then they should equally blame themselves.

[Sarevok]

kung wala nabuak ang glass wa unta nahulog ang bata
kung wala pa nagdagandagan ang bata wala unta nabuak ang glass
kung gibadlong sa inahan ang bata wa unta nagdagandagan ang bata

/root cause analysis

[simoncpu]

kung wala nabuak ang glass wa unta nahulog ang bata
kung wala pa nagdagandagan ang bata wala unta nabuak ang glass
kung gibadlong sa inahan ang bata wa unta nagdagandagan ang bata

/root cause analysis

Unta ing-ani ra ang discussion sa thread... "Resolved as FIXED" na unta ni kung nag root cause analysis na ta daan!