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  1. #221

    Quote Originally Posted by Aittv View Post
    It is a possibility that he never intended to join the church - Satan may had tricked him into believing it - to bring his mission - make him a puppet to corrupt the Word of God.

    But Jesus says differently:

    Matthew 24: 23-27
    23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets/teachers will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

    If you believed it then that's your fault.
    His doctrine speaks differently. As Jesus warned - you will know them by their fruits.
    I posted it for you to see that he really was passionate in destroying the church. Kung wala nmo gitanaw ang mga video na akong gipost ala dyod ta ani..
    MAY HAD TRICKED HIM? Pagsure sir. Nagbuot2 ra man diay ka anang istoryaha. LOL.

    Do you not know how many churches he had planted for God's cause? Around 14 churches, my friend. FOURTEEN. He handled 14 churches with varying situations and status. Imagine how many people he had led to God within those 14 churches.

    How could you even claim that he is a false prophet when Christ himself was the one who called him? How could you even say he was passionate in "destroying" the church when in fact he had planted lots of them?

    Paul's only doctrine was the gospel. Not a wild guess that satan "may" have tricked anyone.

  2. #222
    TS- Go Home! Just Respect the religious thought of a Human as we respect your evil beliefs.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by cptn_star View Post

    MAY HAD TRICKED HIM? Pagsure sir. Nagbuot2 ra man diay ka anang istoryaha. LOL.

    Do you not know how many churches he had planted for God's cause? Around 14 churches, my friend. FOURTEEN. He handled 14 churches with varying situations and status. Imagine how many people he had led to God within those 14 churches.

    How could you even claim that he is a false prophet when Christ himself was the one who called him? How could you even say he was passionate in "destroying" the church when in fact he had planted lots of them?

    Paul's only doctrine was the gospel. Not a wild guess that satan "may" have tricked anyone.
    He taught a different doctrine from Jesus. So he was responsible for the widespread of a corrupted gospel - the Paulinian Gospel - the majority of denominations today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aittv
    Pauls miracle experience:
    Acts 9: 3-4
    As he was approaching Damascus on this mission, a light from heaven suddenly shone down around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?”

    Muhammad miracle experience(Islam):

    Two of the companions of the Prophet departed from him on a dark night and were led by two lights like lamps (going in front of them from Allah as a miracle) lighting the way in front of them, and when they parted, each of them was accompanied by one of these lights till he reached their (respective) houses.

    Joseph Smith miracle experience(Mormonism):
    "I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me…When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said, pointing to the other, 'This is my Beloved Son. Hear Him!'"

    Ipakita lang nako ni para mahibalan ninyo na dili lang si Paul ang kabalo mag buhatx2 ug milagro sa religion(or milagro dyod ni na gikan kay Lucifer). And, the similarities of the miracles(parehas tanan naay light). Now who is this light bringing entity?

    The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer,[Isa 14:12][4][5] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".
    Lucifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Medyo naa similarity noh?

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by WengIA View Post
    @attiv: bai asa may nakasayop ato nga sakto bitaw to not by faith alone man jud. gitudlo ni Paul nga dili lang sa pagtuo jud maluwas ang tao for us nga maningkamot jud ta sa atong kaluwasan pinaagi sa atong maayong buhat kay dili excuse tungod kay nagpalangsang si Jesus sa Cross di na lang pud tang maningkamot kay giluwas naman tas Ginoo sa iyang pagpakamatay sa Cross. og usa pa dili man jud nato kaya maging perfect maong mosabot lagi ng Ginoo .binuang na nga mentality bai..
    Galatians 3 7-14
    7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

    10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.


    Rom 3:28
    For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law

    vs

    1 John 5: 3
    3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

    James
    21 Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. 23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. 24 So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.

    James 1: 22
    But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    Paul says those who rely on the works of the law are under a curse - John says the law/commandments are not burdensome.

    Paul says we are justified by faith apart from work of law(justification=faith;works is different) - James says we are justified not by faith alone but through works(justification=faith+works).

    Kinsa man nag sulti ug tinood?

    Tapos tama ka we are all sinners pero dapat pag nahibalan na nimo ang law/word - buhaton nimo tanan para makaiwas sa sala - God can determine hypocrites you know.

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    hahahaha! kataw-anan man ka bai attiv..kana diay imong gipasabot nga ni sukwahi si Paul sa iyang mensahe? mao nay resulta nimo bai attiv magcge kag kutlo2x lamang sa mga bersikulo kadugayan mabuang ka ana ..resulta na out of context na ka..pastilan nimo bai attiv..ayaw pag praktis ana..basa og insakto nga pamaagi..ayaw laktaw2x. pagkatinuod bai wa kang kasabot unsa nga law ang gipasabot ni paul.og karon pasabton ta ka. sa dihang namatay si Cristo sa Cross klaro kaayong nagisi ang tabil sa Templo.. unsay pasabot ato? mao to ang meaning nga nahimo na tang gawasnon sa tunglo sa balaod/law. og mao ng Balaora ang gipasabot ni Paul nga works of the law. unsa ng balaora diay?mao na ang karaang balaod ang gipasabot sa buhat nga pinasikad sa balaod. og kung na Judio ka pa bai attiv makasabot ka unsa ng balaora kay ma praktis nimo na ilang balaod. og karon about sa Fatih unsa na nga Faith gipasabot ni paul mao ng Faith diha kang Cristo.kung naa kay pagtuo diha kang Cristo mo go with the flow na ang buhat through his commandments unsa na nga commandments ? it boils down to ..its all about LOVE ..og kanang 1 john nga imong gipasabot balaod na pinasikad diha kang Cristo mao ng Gugma basaha ra gud ang heading ana 1 john ayaw og kutlo2x gud aron tataw kaayo para nimo.. asa may naka sukwahe diha? nawala kas imong pagkutlo2x bai attiv..heheheh!

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by WengIA View Post
    hahahaha! kataw-anan man ka bai attiv..kana diay imong gipasabot nga ni sukwahi si Paul sa iyang mensahe? mao nay resulta nimo bai attiv magcge kag kutlo2x lamang sa mga bersikulo kadugayan mabuang ka ana ..resulta na out of context na ka..pastilan nimo bai attiv..ayaw pag praktis ana..basa og insakto nga pamaagi..ayaw laktaw2x. pagkatinuod bai wa kang kasabot unsa nga law ang gipasabot ni paul.og karon pasabton ta ka. sa dihang namatay si Cristo sa Cross klaro kaayong nagisi ang tabil sa Templo.. unsay pasabot ato? mao to ang meaning nga nahimo na tang gawasnon sa tunglo sa balaod/law. og mao ng Balaora ang gipasabot ni Paul nga works of the law. unsa ng balaora diay?mao na ang karaang balaod ang gipasabot sa buhat nga pinasikad sa balaod. og kung na Judio ka pa bai attiv makasabot ka unsa ng balaora kay ma praktis nimo na ilang balaod. og karon about sa Fatih unsa na nga Faith gipasabot ni paul mao ng Faith diha kang Cristo.kung naa kay pagtuo diha kang Cristo mo go with the flow na ang buhat through his commandments unsa na nga commandments ? it boils down to ..its all about LOVE ..og kanang 1 john nga imong gipasabot balaod na pinasikad diha kang Cristo mao ng Gugma basaha ra gud ang heading ana 1 john ayaw og kutlo2x gud aron tataw kaayo para nimo.. asa may naka sukwahe diha? nawala kas imong pagkutlo2x bai attiv..heheheh!
    Sorry - ikaw ang wa kasabot sa iyang message - klaro man kaayo nang gisulti ni Paul about sa law na it is a curse - tapos sample palang intawon na tanawa nalang lagi ang video para makita nimo tanan contradictions..Tanawa ragud naa ba sense na mag train ug apostles si Jesus para ipreach ang gospel to the whole world and to all creation - then suddenly musulpot ni si Saul/Paul na sya daw ang giassign para mag preach sa gentiles? Sa mailad lang bro..

    Mark 16: 15
    15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

    And what Jesus says about sa law:

    Matthew 5: 17
    17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

    Jesus fulfilled the law/ the prophecy about the messiah/ the prophecy of the prophets - he did not come to abolish the law as Paul preached. Contradiction nafood..

    Romans 10: 4
    4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

  7. #227
    @attiv: klaro kaayo akong gipasabot sa imo bai ingon ko ang gipasabot lagi ana is ang karaang balaod under ta sa curse.nganong curse na kay dili ta gawasnon atong balaora. higpit nga balaod to way gugmahay ato patay to mandatory to nga balaod. liman ka og makasala ka sauna maghalad ka magpadugo jud ka. unya ang pinaka the best pa jud imong ihalad kay di kang pasayloun kung di kapasar imong halad..daghan pa jud kaayo og bawal.. laliman ka og mosulod ka sa innermost sa templo og dili kang limpyo matigok ka... mao gani hiktan na lang nila ang tiil sa pari nga mosulod didto kay aron birahon na lang nila og matigok..ingon ana ka brutal ang karaang balaod. mao ng naay curse tungod kay dili gawasnon ang tao sa ginaingon ni Paul. og nakita na sa Dios na di jud kayang mosunod ang tao sa balaod.mao ng gipadala si Cristo para mo fulfill sa balaod og naay nahitabong amendments sa balaod nga nahimong gawasnon pinaagi sa Gugma. karon ang gipasabot ni Paul nga law is ang law nga wala pa na amend mao to ang under the curse.. kung wala pa kang kasabot ani gahi pa kas tanang gahi bai.. unsay nisulpot lang si Paul patuyang lang ka yawit bai.. gisugo sya sa Ginoo oi. lahi iyang calling..naunsa man intawn ka. maayo man og kauban sya sa mga apostles.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by WengIA View Post
    @attiv: klaro kaayo akong gipasabot sa imo bai ingon ko ang gipasabot lagi ana is ang karaang balaod under ta sa curse.nganong curse na kay dili ta gawasnon atong balaora. higpit nga balaod to way gugmahay ato patay to mandatory to nga balaod. liman ka og makasala ka sauna maghalad ka magpadugo jud ka. unya ang pinaka the best pa jud imong ihalad kay di kang pasayloun kung di kapasar imong halad..daghan pa jud kaayo og bawal.. laliman ka og mosulod ka sa innermost sa templo og dili kang limpyo matigok ka... mao gani hiktan na lang nila ang tiil sa pari nga mosulod didto kay aron birahon na lang nila og matigok..ingon ana ka brutal ang karaang balaod. mao ng naay curse tungod kay dili gawasnon ang tao sa ginaingon ni Paul. og nakita na sa Dios na di jud kayang mosunod ang tao sa balaod.mao ng gipadala si Cristo para mo fulfill sa balaod og naay nahitabong amendments sa balaod nga nahimong gawasnon pinaagi sa Gugma. karon ang gipasabot ni Paul nga law is ang law nga wala pa na amend mao to ang under the curse.. kung wala pa kang kasabot ani gahi pa kas tanang gahi bai.. unsay nisulpot lang si Paul patuyang lang ka yawit bai.. gisugo sya sa Ginoo oi. lahi iyang calling..naunsa man intawn ka. maayo man og kauban sya sa mga apostles.
    Sorry but the old law was not a curse - men made it into a curse - also you can reason out with the pharisees/authority pag madakpan ka/nahatulan ka - dili na diretso ka batohon - asa mana nimo nabasa?- si Paul lang dyod sa tanan writings nakasulti na curse ang law - he says ("as it was written" meaning based on scriptures that "cursed is the one who is hung on a pole" means tanan musunod sa law is under a curse) - when it was given by God - God does not want to curse you - the law was a blessing. And how can God determine the meek if there was no law? Karon, tanawon nato sa OT kung curse ba tawag nila sa old law:

    Psalms 19: 7
    The law of the LORD is perfect
    , converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.


    Psalms 119:14-16
    4 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies, As much as in all riches. 15 I will meditate on Your precepts, And contemplate Your ways. 16 I will delight myself in Your statutes; I will not forget Your word.

    Psalms 119:172-174
    172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness. 173 Let Your hand become my help, For I have chosen Your precepts. 174 I long for Your salvation, O LORD, And Your law is my delight.

    Karon kabalo na unta ka na dili curse ang karaan na law - it is men who made it a curse and Paul defines it as a curse when it is not. If you say that it is a curse - then you say God is a God that wants to curse his people.

    Tapos unsa diay tanaw nimo sa atong law karon righteous ug dili curse? Na daghan kaayong kwartahan na criminal dili makulong kay bulok kaayo atong justice system - it is made for the rich and it has many loopholes.

  9. #229
    sakto na unta imong explinasyon bai attiv pero nasangit jud gihapon ka kay imo jud dauton si Paul. sabta usa kung unsay kalahian sa "nagsalig sa pagtuman sa balaod." ingon ani ang nahitabo jud bai ha.basaha jud nig maayo. ang tao jud dili jud makatuman sa balaod bisan pag unsaon mapalpak jud ta sa kadugayan kay dili ta perpekto. mao mabutangan jud og ngipon ang balaod kay mapalpak man jud ang tao bisan pag unsaon di jud nakalahutay sa pagtuman. karon unsay sulti ni Paul who rely/nagsalig on the works/pagtuman /obey of the law are under the curse. karon ang pangutana kinsang pinakamaayong tawo nining kalibutana ang nakatuman sa balaod perfectly og wala jud nasipyat? dakong WALA! ..wala jud nakatuman bisan usa.ayaw apila si Jesus kay Ginoo man na nato. og karon mogamit na jud kog bersekulo para nimo bai attiv gusto kong malamdagan ka ..

    Deuteronomy 27 :26 Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"

    Karon asa nasipyat dapita si Paul sa iyang pag ingon nga ang tawo nga magsalig lamang sa pagtuman sa balaod is under the curse? mao nay pasabot ni paul bai attiv.. kung magsalig ta sa pagtuman lang jud sa balaod impas jud ta under ta sa tunglo tungod kay di tang ka maintain/uphold sa pagtuman sa balaod.

    Nanghinaut jud ko bai nga maksabot na jud ka...ayaw himuang dautan si Paul sa imong mga mata kay Tinawag na sa Ginoo.

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    Hehehe the Roman Catholics dont know it, but they are actually, Paulian Christians,.. haha

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