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  1. #211

    Quote Originally Posted by Aittv View Post
    Ang diperensya is Saul/Paul did the unforgivable sin and David did not. And yes I am a sinner - but I cannot imagine myself doing what Saul/Paul did - mura ug psycopath serial killer - no conscience/guilt.

    Small sin and big sin are still SINS. Paul's sins and david's sins are still SINS. No matter how big or small sin is, it is still the reason why we need to be reconciled to God. Are you trying to imply that you have lighter sins than that of paul? Who are you to judge? Everybody has sinned. You should know, you've been there too. So was I and everybody else. Even priests and Pastors and Rabbis sin.

    Citing you saying paul did the "unforgivable" sin and supposing it a solid fact, who are you to question if God caused repentance to come upon paul? Who are you to question how God used paul's life to fulfill His own will? Clearly, you have not understood the bible well if you're saying paul has no conscience or guilt. Check Romans 7:18-19. Paul openly admits his own sinful nature to explain the sinful nature of everybody else.
    Last edited by cptn_star; 03-02-2014 at 07:15 PM.

  2. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by cptn_star View Post
    Small sin and big sin are still SINS. Paul's sins and david's sins are still SINS. No matter how big or small sin is, it is still the reason why we need to be reconciled to God. Are you trying to imply that you have lighter sins than that of paul? Who are you to judge? Everybody has sinned. You should know, you've been there too. So was I and everybody else. Even priests and Pastors and Rabbis sin.
    There is an unforgivable sin - when you speak against/blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Guess what Saul/Paul did?
    “I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29
    Citing you saying paul did the "unforgivable" sin and supposing it a solid fact, who are you to question if God caused repentance to come upon paul? Who are you to question how God used paul's life to fulfill His own will? Clearly, you have not understood the bible well if you're saying paul has no conscience or guilt. Check Romans 7:18-19. Paul openly admits his own sinful nature to explain the sinful nature of everybody else.
    But his actions/doctrine speaks different. You have to see the works not the words.

  3. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Aittv View Post
    There is an unforgivable sin - when you speak against/blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Guess what Saul/Paul did?
    “I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29

    But his actions/doctrine speaks different. You have to see the works not the words.
    elaborate.

  4. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by cptn_star View Post
    elaborate.
    In a few words - Saul/Paul never changed - he tried to destroy the church by killing the Saints but it didn't work - now he tried another method - join the church by doing a miraculous event and corrupt the Word of God by inserting lies in it. I suggest you watch the videos I posted for contradictions in his doctrine. Majority of Christian denominations today teach Paulinian doctrine.

    Acts 8:3
    "Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison".

    Galatians 1:13
    For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.

  5. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Aittv View Post
    In a few words - Saul/Paul never changed - he tried to destroy the church by killing the Saints but it didn't work - now he tried another method - join the church by doing a miraculous event and corrupt the Word of God by inserting lies in it. I suggest you watch the videos I posted for contradictions in his doctrine. Majority of Christian denominations today teach Paulinian doctrine.

    Acts 8:3
    "Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison".

    Galatians 1:13
    For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
    Your thoughts are obviously messed up. Why?

    -Paul never intended to actually JOIN the church. He, being a persecutor, is enough to determine that he is against the church.
    -Paul never DID the miracle of his conversion to himself. GOD DID IT.
    -Paul completely became a new man after his conversion, leaving his past life as a persecutor.

    You quote and quote passages without even getting the surrounding verses and the background. I'll hit you back with Gal 1. You posted verse 13 without even reading verse 11 and 12 which is exactly my point in this post. Partial understanding results to partial knowledge. Simple ra kaayo sir pero imo lang gyud gilibog libog imong kaugalingon.

  6. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by cptn_star View Post
    Your thoughts are obviously messed up. Why?

    -Paul never intended to actually JOIN the church. He, being a persecutor, is enough to determine that he is against the church.
    It is a possibility that he never intended to join the church - Satan may had tricked him into believing it - to bring his mission - make him a puppet to corrupt the Word of God.
    -Paul never DID the miracle of his conversion to himself. GOD DID IT.
    But Jesus says differently:

    Matthew 24: 23-27
    23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets/teachers will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

    26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

    If you believed it then that's your fault.
    -Paul completely became a new man after his conversion, leaving his past life as a persecutor.
    His doctrine speaks differently. As Jesus warned - you will know them by their fruits.
    You quote and quote passages without even getting the surrounding verses and the background. I'll hit you back with Gal 1. You posted verse 13 without even reading verse 11 and 12 which is exactly my point in this post. Partial understanding results to partial knowledge. Simple ra kaayo sir pero imo lang gyud gilibog libog imong kaugalingon.
    I posted it for you to see that he really was passionate in destroying the church. Kung wala nmo gitanaw ang mga video na akong gipost ala dyod ta ani..

  7. #217


    And this is why I never attend "Bible-dissecting" sessions... people tend to focus on the details rather than on the big picture.

  8. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by kazki View Post


    And this is why I never attend "Bible-dissecting" sessions... people tend to focus on the details rather than on the big picture.
    Whats the Big Picture then?

    You cant understand the Big Picture if you don't understand the Small details

  9. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Whats the Big Picture then?

    You cant understand the Big Picture if you don't understand the Small details
    Would it matter?

    The last time I remember "Faith" was the main concept of spirituality... not some detail on "who was who" and "what made what"... maybe for a history class, yes... details would be everything, but for this? seriously?... Things on the bible were written to make people believe, it's not a history book made of facts.

  10. #220
    @attiv: bai asa may nakasayop ato nga sakto bitaw to not by faith alone man jud. gitudlo ni Paul nga dili lang sa pagtuo jud maluwas ang tao for us nga maningkamot jud ta sa atong kaluwasan pinaagi sa atong maayong buhat kay dili excuse tungod kay nagpalangsang si Jesus sa Cross di na lang pud tang maningkamot kay giluwas naman tas Ginoo sa iyang pagpakamatay sa Cross. og usa pa dili man jud nato kaya maging perfect maong mosabot lagi ng Ginoo .binuang na nga mentality bai..
    Last edited by WengIA; 03-03-2014 at 07:16 PM.

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