Nganog Poor man kaayo ug Communication Skills through English Language ang kadaghanan sa mg Pinoy kun naa na sa Gawas?

[cebugdev]

Haha.. bitaw bro, mao nay mindset nga naka pa hinay sa atong pag compete globally... dili ta ka absorb kaayo sa available knowledge nga naa sa internet kay dili kaayo ta paspas mo consume ana nga info kay medyo naay uban nga mag lisod..
Namura naman gud na ug taboo sa atoa nga butang ang pag sulit ug english... Nakasabot ko anang mura manlimbawot atong balhibo kung naa tay ma dunggan mag english sa atoa...

Pero sa diha nakita nako atong kalahi sa laing dapit sa kalibutan nga nakig engage ng globally, diha nako nakita nga iportante diay nga e anad nato ato self sa language....
Kanang gi ingon nimo nga mura OA ug dating... maayo nga hinay hinayon nato ug anad atong kaugalingon, kay sa tinuoray...
Kung mag tabi ang usa ka bisaya ug English language, dili man siguro mag sakit atong tiyan or ma offend ta nga naminaw...
Kay tungod nga wala ta na anad, nig communicate nato sa taga laing nasud... inferior kaayo ang pinoy na hinoon kay dili jud ka dominate.

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Tinood dili only language ang english, pero mao nani trend nga language sa globalization karon.... Kung dili ta ka communicate ug tarong, alkanse jud tah... Hongkong & Singapore... layo ra kaayo ta mo english ana nila.

oh not compete globally because of language barrier?
have you checked on exclusive and closed language like Japan, Korea or even the worlds 2nd largest economy China?

meen, pick a random guy in those 3 countries and let them speak english if kaya ba,
now pick a random person in The Philippines and talk to him in English.
see the difference?

to compete globally using words is just plain talk and no action (pun intended).

[prodigeek]

Congrats Sir TS.
Ig-reply nimo nako, junior na ka!
Pwede na!

Haha. Unsa mn naa anang junior bai? Anyway, i'm not so familiar sa mga privileges anang maong status. I'm here for istorya & interaction ra jud bro

[jackdi]

oh not compete globally because of language barrier?
have you checked on exclusive and closed language like Japan, Korea or even the worlds 2nd largest economy China?

meen, pick a random guy in those 3 countries and let them speak english if kaya ba,
now pick a random person in The Philippines and talk to him in English.
see the difference?

to compete globally using words is just plain talk and no action (pun intended).

Sa kani nga thread ni TS Prodigeek, kung wala mo nakabantay :
...there's no other acceptable example other than ts's examples
...there's no other acceptable observation other than ts's observations

Tsk! tsk! tsk! Looy pod tawn, pero iya pod na.



Ok junior TS, fire!

[Tamblot]

Sa kani nga thread ni TS Prodigeek, kung wala mo nakabantay :
...there's no other acceptable example other than ts's examples
...there's no other acceptable observation other than ts's observations

I'd beg to disagree.

Quote Originally Posted by Tamblot
"I haven't given my opinion yet, bro. I was just asking for your basis how you gauge the communication skills.

And with this response from you, I would say that I respect your observation. My own experience says differently but I am not saying that mine is the right one or better than yours."

Sensya bro, hinoon sakto pud.. lain lain man gud ta usahay ug mga observations... Hinoon, akoa lang pud siguro ni..

It's an animal instinct. Threaten someone and it will fight back. Give the beast no option and it will bite. Dont expect diplomacy if you are showing aggression.

I'd say give the guy a chance to voice his own obervation. Share yours as well. This is why we are here in istorya I suppose. The only reason why sometimes discussion doesn't end well is when we forget to respect each other's views and opinions.

[jackdi]

I'd beg to disagree.

It's an animal instinct. Threaten someone and it will fight back. Give the beast no option and it will bite. Dont expect diplomacy if you are showing aggression.

I'd say give the guy a chance to voice his own obervation. Share yours as well. This is why we are here in istorya I suppose. The only reason why sometimes discussion doesn't end well is when we forget to respect each other's views and opinions.

I beg to disagree as well...


To respect one's opinion is one thing...
... and yet, to accept that opinion, is another. (remember: opinions are always right but sometimes wrong )

To inform somebody of what is actually out there is one thing...
... and yet, to accept what is the real thing is another different thing as well...
... how stubborn can people be? Well... that my friend depends upon how you see it...

And lastly, to accept what the TS is trying to advocate here regardless of whether it's wrong or not is another thing. By posting what i believe "what he is only able to accept" is a mere fact that i am accepting him as he is. Is that "high" or "low", that i do not know...

Whichever thing he wants to take or talk about is up to him. The same applies to any other person here...
Sometimes, we need to stop the "idea" when we know that it's clearly wrong.

--fish tayo--

Toinks!

[cyberchrono]

^^nosebleed ko boss @jackdi

[Tamblot]

@jackdi
Please go through my response again. I only highlighted your statement where I disagreed. And the reason why I disagree was presented after. TS have already conceded and admitted that this may just be his own personal observation.

I don't question your act of correcting other people's opinion but what good would your below statements do to improve the discussion? Show the people where their mistakes are and maybe they will consider correcting it. But hurling statements such as these will sound as being judgmental and subjective. Focus on the topic and not on the person. Who are we anyway to say that we are better and well knowledgeable that the other?

...there's no other acceptable example other than ts's examples
...there's no other acceptable observation other than ts's observations

[prodigeek]

I beg to disagree as well...


To respect one's opinion is one thing...
... and yet, to accept that opinion, is another. (remember: opinions are always right but sometimes wrong )

To inform somebody of what is actually out there is one thing...
... and yet, to accept what is the real thing is another different thing as well...
... how stubborn can people be? Well... that my friend depends upon how you see it...

And lastly, to accept what the TS is trying to advocate here regardless of whether it's wrong or not is another thing. By posting what i believe "what he is only able to accept" is a mere fact that i am accepting him as he is. Is that "high" or "low", that i do not know...

Whichever thing he wants to take or talk about is up to him. The same applies to any other person here...
Sometimes, we need to stop the "idea" when we know that it's clearly wrong.

--fish tayo--

Toinks!

Kalma lang bossing, ang imong heart basin mo collapse nah...
Bitaw, ako lang balikon akong pangutana ani nga post boss ha... Ni ingon raman ko kadaghanan, dili man tanan.
Struggle man pud gyud tuora mostly sa ato mga kababayan nga naa sa gawas kung i bangga ug kanang articulate jud bitaw manulti nga foreigner. Kay besan testingan pa siguro nato boss ipa debate ug singaporean, nosebleed jd usually atong mga kababayan. Mao usahay naka huna huna ko nga dili man pud ika tingala nga ma nosebleed ta kay kulang man ta sa anad or practice sa atoa. Kung ikompara nila nga besan bata pa kono, pwerte na kaayo manulti. Hinoon tinuon man pud.

Hinoon boss, naa man pud jud uban nga kontento na kaayo sa communication skill level sa atong mga kababayan besan dili jud kaayo articulate bitaw. Aw hinoon, ilaha pud nah...

Pero ni tuo jud ko sa theory boss nga mostly sa pinoy kulang jud sa anad. Usually kutob ra sa classroom. Mao na kun maka encounter ug argument, besan lagi sakto pa ang pinoy... alkansehon gihapon sa lahutay. Ayaw lang siguro pud ikompara ang pinoy sa uban nga asian nga less proficient pud jud like mga low skilled gikan sa developing countries sa Asia.

Kay kun maghisgot ta ug mga educated malaysians, HK, SG... articulate man gud kaayo sila kompara sa atoang professionals based sa akong observations...

Wala man pud siguro magpasabot boss nga kun mo ingon ko "para nako, I believe..." as in totally sakto or sayop ko.... Dili lang ko nahan kaayo boss nga assertive kaayo ako statement bitaw. Pero usually, ako man gi try nga logical ako statement.

[jackdi]

@jackdi
Please go through my response again. I only highlighted your statement where I disagreed. And the reason why I disagree was presented after. TS have already conceded and admitted that this may just be his own personal observation.

I don't question your act of correcting other people's opinion but what good would your below statements do to improve the discussion? Show the people where their mistakes are and maybe they will consider correcting it. But hurling statements such as these will sound as being judgmental and subjective. Focus on the topic and not on the person. Who are we anyway to say that we are better and well knowledgeable that the other?

...there's no other acceptable example other than ts's examples
...there's no other acceptable observation other than ts's observations

Here's the answer to your question:

By posting what i believe "what he is only able to accept" is a mere fact that i am accepting him as he is.

By posting that^, I've also accepted the mere fact of what he wants it as it is.

By the way, if you haven't read, the topic is directly related to Pinoys abroad & their poor communication skills through English language.

As of today, I happened to be one of those Pinoys abroad.
....and with that, as TS is giving the wrong impression, i just had to try to correct it just a little bit by letting him know of what is really is the situation here.

-- fish tayo --

[jackdi]

Kalma lang bossing, ang imong heart basin mo collapse nah...
Bitaw, ako lang balikon akong pangutana ani nga post boss ha... Ni ingon raman ko kadaghanan, dili man tanan.
Struggle man pud gyud tuora mostly sa ato mga kababayan nga naa sa gawas kung i bangga ug kanang articulate jud bitaw manulti nga foreigner. Kay besan testingan pa siguro nato boss ipa debate ug singaporean, nosebleed jd usually atong mga kababayan. Mao usahay naka huna huna ko nga dili man pud ika tingala nga ma nosebleed ta kay kulang man ta sa anad or practice sa atoa. Kung ikompara nila nga besan bata pa kono, pwerte na kaayo manulti. Hinoon tinuon man pud.

Hinoon boss, naa man pud jud uban nga kontento na kaayo sa communication skill level sa atong mga kababayan besan dili jud kaayo articulate bitaw. Aw hinoon, ilaha pud nah...

Pero ni tuo jud ko sa theory boss nga mostly sa pinoy kulang jud sa anad. Usually kutob ra sa classroom. Mao na kun maka encounter ug argument, besan lagi sakto pa ang pinoy... alkansehon gihapon sa lahutay. Ayaw lang siguro pud ikompara ang pinoy sa uban nga asian nga less proficient pud jud like mga low skilled gikan sa developing countries sa Asia.

Kay kun maghisgot ta ug mga educated malaysians, HK, SG... articulate man gud kaayo sila kompara sa atoang professionals based sa akong observations...

Wala man pud siguro magpasabot boss nga kun mo ingon ko "para nako, I believe..." as in totally sakto or sayop ko.... Dili lang ko nahan kaayo boss nga assertive kaayo ako statement bitaw. Pero usually, ako man gi try nga logical ako statement.

Thanks for the concern but my heart's fine. In fact, I am having fun here.

This statement is wrong and cannot be based on the experiences of just mere 2 or 3 persons you know:

Kay besan testingan pa siguro nato boss ipa debate ug singaporean, nosebleed jd usually atong mga kababayan...

On this statement, IF we stick to your "POOR communications skills through ENGLISH" topic, this statement is wrong:

Kay kun maghisgot ta ug mga educated malaysians, HK, SG... articulate man gud kaayo sila kompara sa atoang professionals based sa akong observations...

I cannot blame you if you say "majority" (kadaghanan) but "not all" (dili tanan) of the Pinoys aboard are poor in communication skills through English. Like i said, I've also accepted the mere fact of what you want & what you think as it is.

But then again, you also cannot blame anybody who argues with you against that notion. And i believe your notion is really wrong.


-- fish tayo --