Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[yanong_banikanhon]

@[B]First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification

The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience

Na, nisamot na nuon og layo kanang article nga imong gi-quote sa imong giingon kaganina nga 'it will take no effort', bro. Kita ka anang akong gipang-underline sa imong posts, mga opposite kana sa 'no effort'.

Tinuod nga dunay guidance nga gihatag ang GOD sa atong buhaton pero wala na magpasabot nga automatic na tang makabuhat og pulos good works kay mawala na ang atong freewill ana kun maohon. Ikaw mismo makapruweba nga bakak kanang imong giingon nga 'it will take no effort' kay human ka na-born again, ni-backslide man ka. Dapat wala unta ka ni-backslide kay under the guidance of the holy spirit man kaha ka adtong tungora so it will take no effort on your side to do good works 100% of the time. In other words, adtong tungora dili unta ka makahimo og bad deeds.

[shockie]

Na, nisamot na nuon og layo kanang article nga imong gi-quote sa imong giingon kaganina nga 'it will take no effort', bro. Kita ka anang akong gipang-underline sa imong posts, mga opposite kana sa 'no effort'.

Tinuod nga dunay guidance nga gihatag ang GOD sa atong buhaton pero wala na magpasabot nga automatic na tang makabuhat og pulos good works kay mawala na ang atong freewill ana kun maohon. Ikaw mismo makapruweba nga bakak kanang imong giingon nga 'it will take no effort' kay human ka na-born again, ni-backslide man ka. Dapat wala unta ka ni-backslide kay under the guidance of the holy spirit man kaha ka adtong tungora.

Hope you didnt misinterpret of what i mean "no effort". Pasabot nako bro, dili naka maningkamot by "your own" might to do good works coz it's the leading of the Holy Spirit magdala nimo sa pagbuhat ug insakto, unless youll oppose the conviction.

The topic is about the requirement for Salvation.

Kung atong striktohon jud bro, mas lisud kung Faith + works and basihan sa kaluwasan, dili na matawag ug grasya sa Ginoo if our faith to Jesus Christ is not enough, in fact walay malangit kung mauhon!

Titus 3:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

⁵ Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
⁶ Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
⁷ That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Romans 3:10
For all have sinned and come short to the glory of God.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore as by one man sin (Adam) entered into the world and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.

[shockie]

Ang nakalahi tingali sa good works nga atong nalalisan bro is this:

1) Good works through Regeneration - Result of the working of the Holy Spirit
2) Good works by our might - Changeable and devoid of the Spirit

God wants us to humble ourselves in order to be led by His Spirit.

[noy]

First, we are talking about UNBELIEVERS, People WHO Heard about GOD and the Word of God BUT Rejected it. We are talking about People Who Dont have FAITH, Not people Who DOnt KNOW faith. I am not talking about the people who Never heard God or his words.

And All i can see in the BIBLE is that We Need FAITH in GOD above all things to be able to Experience or have a Chance with salvation.

ang punto ra jud nako sio is nganu dili ma consider nga maayong tao ang usa ka tao kung walay Faith sa Ginoo?
and in Biblical Terms, tungod kay it is impossible to please the Lord without Faith..
nagpasabut ba na nga ang way Faith sa Ginoo bati na nga mga tao sa mata sa Diyos?

what if that person's Athesim is out of pure and honest conscience..meaning mao ra jud ang naabut sa iyang konsensya nga walay Ginoo..pero of course unlike other Atheists..di siya manghilabut,mu respetar siya sa mga pagtuo sa uban..pero di lang siya mutoo..active kaayo sa mga charity,dili manlimbung..
do you really believe that the God of Mercy and Justice would consider this person as dili maayong tao?

natural God would never be pleased with unbelief..ug impossible nga malipay siya kung naay dili mutoo niya..
but ang question diri..Does God see them as evil people 'cause they refused to believe in Him? mao man puy ilang pagtuo nga insakto.. we know that a person can be truthful but wrong at the same time diba?

[Boyen]

kanang faith alone ma apply lang kung wala ka kaila sa ginoo then sa last minit mamatay naka then naay nagpila nimo sa ginoo then diha diha nitoo ka sa ginoo anang bahina maluwas ka sama niadtong kawatan kauban ni kristo sa krus...

pero dili pa kamo mamatay then nakaila na kamo sa ginoo kinahanglan jud ang faith + gudworks.. kay kung imo iinsist kanang faith alone.. pareho ramo ni satanas..

hinomdumi ninyo nga si satanas nakaila sa ginoo ug nakaila sa Dios naa syay faith nagkurog paman gani na sa kahadlok sa ginoo kay naa man syay faith pero wala syay gudwork...

karun kini akong pangutana ninyo...
naluwaas ba si satanas kay naa syay faith alone pero wala syay gudwork?

kung muingon mo nga naluwas mo sa faith alone lang... naluwas ba si satanas sa iyang faith?

Gods grace man kaha nga basta motoo kalang kang kristo faith alone. luwas naka... so luwas napod diay si satanas?

istoryaheeee....

[shockie]

@boyen
kanang faith alone ma apply lang kung wala ka kaila sa ginoo then sa last minit mamatay naka then naay nagpila nimo sa ginoo then diha diha nitoo ka sa ginoo anang bahina maluwas ka sama niadtong kawatan kauban ni kristo sa krus...

pero dili pa kamo mamatay then nakaila na kamo sa ginoo kinahanglan jud ang faith + gudworks.. kay kung imo iinsist kanang faith alone.. pareho ramo ni satanas..

hinomdumi ninyo nga si satanas nakaila sa ginoo ug nakaila sa Dios naa syay faith nagkurog paman gani na sa kahadlok sa ginoo kay naa man syay faith pero wala syay gudwork...

karun kini akong pangutana ninyo...
naluwaas ba si satanas kay naa syay faith alone pero wala syay gudwork?

kung muingon mo nga naluwas mo sa faith alone lang... naluwas ba si satanas sa iyang faith?

Gods grace man kaha nga basta motoo kalang kang kristo faith alone. luwas naka... so luwas napod diay si satanas?

Wala pa nimo masabti unsa nga klase nga faith ang gihisgutan diha bro. Dili tawn na faith nga parehas anang imong nadunggan mostly sa imong silingan.

Bro, unsay nakalahi sa faith ni Satanas ug sa most professing Christians? Professing christians are those nagclaim nga naa sad silay faith sa ginoo daw, mosimba sad panagsa but mostly dili nimo makita sa simbahan on Sundays, tua nuon sa kahilayan, sugalan, etc. Maypa si Satanas kay mukurog pa, naay uban yaga2an pa ang ngan sa ginoo.

Kung makasabot ka on the difference between the two, then masabtan sad nimo ang Faith alone ug ang Faith + works. Hope you can get the logic of it.

1) Good works through Regeneration - Result of the working of the Holy Spirit (example are those sinners, batig kinaiya before, kawatan, sugarol, drug addicts and is totally changed after his conversion and now doing the things of God.
2) Good works by our might - Changeable and devoid of the Spirit (example are those people who claims the have faith, mohatag sad panagsa kung ganahan, help those who are in need, pero tua sa bwangan makit-an during Sundays, worse yet, bugal-bugalan pa ang mga taw nga magdala ug bible or magsimba.

[Boyen]

unya asa man ka ani sa duha? kining ilang gitawag nga sola fide- faith alone in jesus can save us not by works or kining faith+works?

[slabdans]

Thats true bro.
What happen then sa akong kinabuhi after i oppose to backslide? ni degrade bro and miserable. Im sure kung nipadayon kog pagahi sa akong kaugalingon, gipatay nako sa ginoo coz I am only putting shame on his name ug ang akong Christian life is not fruitful anymore. Good thing is nakaamgo ko and God has preserved me for a greater purpose sa akong kinabuhi. Its always my prayer sad nuon bro even before ko nag backslide that before ko kuhaon sa Ginoo, I wanted magamit ko for His glory.....and truly God answered my prayers.

Revelation 20:10

¹⁰ And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

ayaw mo pataka ug share kay mas grabe inyong silot basin ma apil ta sa bracket sa false prophet hehehe

Revelation 20:12-13

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

bantay mo...sa oras sa pag hukom e judge daw mo according to your work

[shockie]

@boyen
unya asa man ka ani sa duha? kining ilang gitawag nga sola fide- faith alone in jesus can save us not by works or kining faith+works?

I believe on Faith alone in Jesus Christ bro. The kind of faith that is not dead!

[shockie]

Question: "What is the Great White Throne Judgment?"

Answer: The great white throne judgment is described in Revelation 20:11-15 and is the final judgment prior to the lost being cast into the lake of fire. We know from Revelation 20:7-15 that this judgment will take place after the millennium and after Satan, the beast, and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7-10). The books that are opened (Revelation 20:12) contain records of everyone’s deeds, whether they are good or evil, because God knows everything that has ever been said, done, or even thought, and He will reward or punish each one accordingly (Psalm 28:4; 62:12; Romans 2:6; Revelation 2:23; 18:6; 22:12).

Also at this time, another book is opened, called the “book of life” (Revelation 20:12). It is this book that determines whether a person will inherit eternal life with God or receive everlasting punishment in the lake of fire. Although Christians are held accountable for their actions, they are forgiven in Christ and their names were written in the “book of life from the creation of the world” (Revelation 17:. We also know from Scripture that it is at this judgment when the dead will be “judged according to what they had done” (Revelation 20:12) and that “anyone’s name” that is not “found written in the book of life” will be “thrown into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:15).

The fact that there is going to be a final judgment for all men, both believers and unbelievers, is clearly confirmed in many passages of Scripture. Every person will one day stand before Christ and be judged for his or her deeds. While it is very clear that the great white throne judgment is the final judgment, Christians disagree on how it relates to the other judgments mentioned in the Bible, specifically, who will be judged at the great white throne judgment.

Some Christians believe that the Scriptures reveal three different judgments to come. The first is the judgment of the sheep and the goats or a judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-36). This takes place after the tribulation period but prior to the millennium; its purpose is to determine who will enter the millennial kingdom. The second is a judgment of believers’ works, often referred to as the “judgment seat [bema] of Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:10). At this judgment, Christians will receive degrees of reward for their works or service to God. The third is the great white throne judgment at the end of the millennium (Revelation 20:11-15). This is the judgment of unbelievers in which they are judged according to their works and sentenced to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire.

Other Christians believe that all three of these judgments speak of the same final judgment, not of three separate judgments. In other words, the great white throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15 will be the time that believers and unbelievers alike are judged. Those whose names are found in the book of life will be judged for their deeds in order to determine the rewards they will receive or lose. Those whose names are not in the book of life will be judged according to their deeds to determine the degree of punishment they will receive in the lake of fire. Those who hold this view believe that Matthew 25:31-46 is another description of what takes place at the great white throne judgment. They point to the fact that the result of this judgment is the same as what is seen after the great white throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. The sheep (believers) enter into eternal life, while the goats (unbelievers) are cast into “eternal punishment” (Matthew 25:46).

Whichever view one holds of the great white throne judgment, it is important to never lose sight of the facts concerning the coming judgment(s). First, Jesus Christ will be the judge, all unbelievers will be judged by Christ, and they will be punished according to the works they have done. The Bible is very clear that unbelievers are storing up wrath against themselves (Romans 2:5) and that God will “give to each person according to what he has done” (Romans 2:6). Believers will also be judged by Christ, but since Christ’s righteousness has been imputed to us and our names are written in the book of life, we will be rewarded, but not punished, according to our deeds. Romans 14:10-12 says that we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ and that each one of us will give an account to God.