For Christians(Apostle Paul Believers): Paul, the False Apostle, Ravenous Wolf Prophecy - Ngano nagpauto man mo niya??

[jxm1311]

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TS, pakapin o para di ka ma ignorante. Si pedro ga ingon ani, dili si Pablo...
Basaha, ang context ani refers to the authors of the Bible and their authority ngano maski taw ang gigamit, ang Ginoo naglihok through them.
ang ako question ani, y man wala ni ingon si pedro nga way labot kang pedro ani iyang giingon nga verse?
Even the Bible considers them Holy and working under the Holy Spirit that I why I believe them. Kay di man sila parehas nimo pataka lang yawit unya working under google ug youtube pajud.hahaha

though they heard God's voice, MAS SURE daw ang WORD, that Scripture has no Private interpretation (like what you are claiming, nga naay gi reveal ang Ginoo nimo unya ikaw ra ang naka sabot kay kami na ilad mi), that these people were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:18-21

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Behhh... tubag dodong tubag haron makita namo imong ka ignorante... gamit dayon ug youtube ug google ha haron samot mi maka kita sa imo ka ignoy..or ingon dayon nga naa nana imong tubag sa original post haron mas makita jud namo imong ka ignoyyyrantnesss....

[slabdans]

dia sad koy pakapin TS

2 Peter 3:15

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.


si Pedro mismo nag sulti ana...karon kinsa man amo tuohan ikaw si Pedro? pili lang

[Aittv]

TS, pakapin o para di ka ma ignorante. Si pedro ga ingon ani, dili si Pablo...
Basaha, ang context ani refers to the authors of the Bible and their authority ngano maski taw ang gigamit, ang Ginoo naglihok through them.
ang ako question ani, y man wala ni ingon si pedro nga way labot kang pedro ani iyang giingon nga verse?
Even the Bible considers them Holy and working under the Holy Spirit that I why I believe them. Kay di man sila parehas nimo pataka lang yawit unya working under google ug youtube pajud.hahaha

though they heard God's voice, MAS SURE daw ang WORD, that Scripture has no Private interpretation (like what you are claiming, nga naay gi reveal ang Ginoo nimo unya ikaw ra ang naka sabot kay kami na ilad mi), that these people were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:18-21

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Behhh... tubag dodong tubag haron makita namo imong ka ignorante... gamit dayon ug youtube ug google ha haron samot mi maka kita sa imo ka ignoy..or ingon dayon nga naa nana imong tubag sa original post haron mas makita jud namo imong ka ignoyyyrantnesss....

2 Peter 1:18-21

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Kauban diay si Paul atong buhi pa si Jesus?

[slabdans]

2 Peter 1:18-21

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Kauban diay si Paul atong buhi pa si Jesus?

unya sure ka nga si Paul ang gipasabot diha? mahimo na di ie bakakon si Peter ani ron? tan-aw lang ng post nako sa taas

[Aittv]

dia sad koy pakapin TS

2 Peter 3:15

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.


si Pedro mismo nag sulti ana...karon kinsa man amo tuohan ikaw si Pedro? pili lang

Kani gusto man kaha kag kompleto. Let us complete the thought.
2 Peter 3: 15-18
15 And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— 16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.

First you have to understand these verses have two meanings(like a coin). One side of the coin says Paul is legit, the other side Paul is fake. And I see the latter. Why? How could God give you wisdom to confuse people?

Let's see what James has to say about wisdom from God.

James 3 13-18
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, dem0nic. For where envy and self-seeking exist,confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

So if Paul's wisdom confuses people where does his wisdom come from?

Another point you need to know is why is Paul preaching when his words are hard to understand as Peter wrote?(clearly no gift of tongues/Holy Spirit)

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unya sure ka nga si Paul ang gipasabot diha? mahimo na di ie bakakon si Peter ani ron? tan-aw lang ng post nako sa taas

Sure ko na way labot si Paul sa pasabot niya na "WE". Wala diay mo kabalo sa Sermon on the Mount when Jesus was still alive?

[jxm1311]

Last hirit (until maka reply siya) kay basin di na makaya sa utok ni TS.. Please take note of number 3 TS kay apil ka ani mao nang ignoy kau ka..

Paul's Authority as an Apostle and as an Author..

1: He met Peter and James, wala jud nireklamo niya or ni condemn sa iyahang ministry

Galatians 1:18-19

18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

2. He submitted the Gospel nga iyahang gi preach to confirm that it was the same..

Galatians 2:1-2

1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

--- ang context ani was that he wanted to verify the content of his preaching to be sure that he was correct. This was the second time he saw Peter and John.

3. Peter Mentions Paul in his writings AND condemns PEOPLE who cannot understand PAUL's epistles as unlearned (ignorant)

2 Peter 3:15

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (fight against, have trouble understanding), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


OT: Now, what are the possible reasons why TS hates Paul and wants to discredit him??

1. Either he is a Feminist who has misinterpreted Paul's preaching about the role of the wife
2' He is a non-believer who wants to cause confusion - God is not the author of confusion.
3. He is gay who wants to discredit Paul and separate him from Jesus because he stood against those who are effeminate.


BOOM!

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2 Peter 1:18-21

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Kauban diay si Paul atong buhi pa si Jesus?

ignoy jud ka dong.. ang context was that they Had the more sure WORD.. haha wa nasad lagi nimo gitubag ang uban TS pattern ni sa mga ignoy TS noh??

[slabdans]

Kani gusto man kaha kag kompleto. Let us complete the thought.
2 Peter 3: 15-18
15 And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— 16 speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.

First you have to understand these verses have two meanings(like a coin). One side of the coin says Paul is legit, the other side Paul is fake. And I see the latter. Why? How could God give you wisdom to confuse people?

Let's see what James has to say about wisdom from God.

James 3 13-18
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, dem0nic. For where envy and self-seeking exist,confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

So if Paul's wisdom confuses people where does his wisdom come from?

Another point you need to know is why is Paul preaching when his words are hard to understand as Peter wrote?(clearly no gift of tongues/Holy Spirit)

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Sure ko na way labot si Paul sa pasabot niya na "WE". Wala diay mo kabalo sa Sermon on the Mount when Jesus was still alive?

nisamot na gyud noon kag kalubong ana noon saon perte man gud nimo ka ignorante mao ng nagpataka nalang kag yawyaw
tan-awa ha

2 Peter 3:15-16

15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

-dinhi gi emphasize ni Peter nga Gihatagan siya sa Dios ug wisdom sa pagsuwat.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


pwerte na gyud no0n nimong pagka shat sa taro...naghimo naka sa imong kaugalingon distruction as the bible said tungod sa imong pagka ignorante

sure ko dili si Pablo sa letter ni Pedro...regarding sa imong points nga "didto" na di ie Pablo sa buhi pa si Jesus"

ask nimo ikaw didto na di ie ka?

[Aittv]

Last hirit (until maka reply siya) kay basin di na makaya sa utok ni TS.. Please take note of number 3 TS kay apil ka ani mao nang ignoy kau ka..

Paul's Authority as an Apostle and as an Author..

1: He met Peter and James, wala jud nireklamo niya or ni condemn sa iyahang ministry

Galatians 1:18-19

18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

2. He submitted the Gospel nga iyahang gi preach to confirm that it was the same..

Galatians 2:1-2

1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

--- ang context ani was that he wanted to verify the content of his preaching to be sure that he was correct. This was the second time he saw Peter and John.

OT: Now, what are the possible reasons why TS hates Paul and wants to discredit him??

1. Either he is a Feminist who has misinterpreted Paul's preaching about the role of the wife
2' He is a non-believer who wants to cause confusion - God is not the author of confusion.
3. He is gay who wants to discredit Paul and separate him from Jesus because he stood against those who are effeminate.


BOOM!

Pasabot diay sa naguban mo legit dayon na Apostle? Let's see.

First you have to agree that Jesus served an example during his life with the original Apostles - so the apostles would learn the way of Jesus.

So what did Jesus do with Judas? Jesus knew he would betray him. Did he reject him or befriend him and let him stay in his ministry?

3. Peter Mentions Paul in his writings AND condemns PEOPLE who cannot understand PAUL's epistles as unlearned (ignorant)

2 Peter 3:15

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (fight against, have trouble understanding), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Gitubag n nako ni. Basaha akong previous post.

[slabdans]

Sure ko na way labot si Paul sa pasabot niya na "WE". Wala diay mo kabalo sa Sermon on the Mount when Jesus was still alive?

kanang panahona doh! buhi pa si Jesus ana samtang nag sermon...unya si pablo hanggaw anang panahona..unya sa dihang nisaka na si Jesus sa langit padayon..si pablo sa iyang ka hanggaw iyang gi pang lutos ang mga tinun-an...mao tong nagpakitan niya si Jesus...kasabot naka doh?

[Scott Bernard]

I am also curious regarding the origin of Paul the Apostle / Saul of Tarsus. There are stories that instead of Paul and Peter working together, they were rivals and adversaries during the Early Christian times.

If you have read about the epic battle between St. Peter and Simon Magus, some scholars believe that Simon Magus might be Paul of Tarsus.

I am an open minded Roman Catholic... I believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary, but I have doubts on the authenticity of Paul.

Jesus gave St. Peter the "keys" and blessed him to be the Rock of His Church. Rome could have inserted Paul, a Roman Citizen, along the storyline to make Christianity Roman.

just my thoughts.