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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    Kini tubaga daw ko "Ngano atong mga prayers dili man ma answer?"
    sometimes the answer is No or in due time. so naa diay gihapuy tubag. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    sometimes the answer is No or in due time. so naa diay gihapuy tubag. LOL
    These are verses found in the bible, its crystal clear that when we pray daw "nothing is impossible". When is your due time? For sure I will not find answers when I die before my prayers are answered. BTW, walay "sometimes" kay everything found in the verses below are absolute.


    Matthew 7:7
    Matthew 17:20
    Matthew 21:21
    Mark 11:24
    John 14:12-14
    Matthew 18:19
    James 5:15-16

    "Answered prayers are mere "coincidences."
    Last edited by Nefarian; 01-22-2014 at 12:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    These are verses found in the bible, its crystal clear that when we pray daw "nothing is impossible". When is your due time? For sure I will not find answers when I die before my prayers are answered. BTW, walay "sometimes" kay everything found in the verses below are absolute.


    Matthew 7:7
    Matthew 17:20
    Matthew 21:21
    Mark 11:24
    John 14:12-14
    Matthew 18:19
    James 5:15-16

    "Answered prayers are mere "coincidences."
    bai, i'd like to think that you're better than this.

    let's take Matt7:7 as an example
    if you are to read the Bible, don't read them out of single verses instead, read them with the whole context..

    after the ask, seek and knock verses..
    you'll find these verses from verses 9 - 11
    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
    --meaning God will give you the things you ask provided that they are gonna be good for you and not only good out of personal perception..but good as in absolute goodness...

    mao bitaw ingun diha sa verse 9 nga who among you would give your son a stone when he asks for bread?
    meaning kaayohan ang tumong sa Ginoo..

    like money, money is of course good but if you'll be granted with financial riches not in the appointed time..
    dili pa ka insakto ka mature muhandle ana nga blessing then most likely di na ihatag sa Ginoo nimu
    kay instead nga maka ayo, makadaot hinuon..

    ikaw imung tagaan ug gloc 9 imung anak kung mangayo sa imu? feel niya need man niya.. hmmmm...


    Matthew 17:20
    He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

    do you think you have the faith even with the size of a mustard seed para paninglan nimu ang GInoo ani?
    this verse actually describes who we are in times of trouble.. unfaithful.

    Mark 11:24
    "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."
    pero wala nimu cguro mabasa ang Mark 11:22 nga nag ingun "“Have faith in God,” Jesus answered.

    God is the ultimate source of goodness, When God wants us to be with Him..it's not a demand out of selfishness like how most of us do when we deman something from someone else
    instead, it only means He wants us to get all the goodness we can have..

    di nalang nako na tagsa-tagsaon imung example..
    in conclusion, God wants us to pray the right prayers..for us to be able to do so is to delight ourselves in Him.

    "Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
    Psalm 37:4
    Last edited by noy; 01-22-2014 at 01:25 AM.

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    hello noy.
    asa man na imong paminsar nyor. imong ge mis enterpret ang word nga akong gigamit. Ikaw nyor pangutan-on sad tika og balik sa tibuok nimong kinabuhi wala kaha ka maka judge og taw?
    aw para nimo wala man kaha nagtudlo ang katoliko anang pag worship og imahe, unsay d i purpose anang mga imahe nga gibutang sa church? nga guludhan man na sa mga taw, unsa d i tawag nimo ana nyor, hasta ang pari moluhod ana nyor di ba? So unsa d i tawag nimo ana? tagae kog lain nga word aside sa worship. nya gi apply nya na ninyo ang catechism?

    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    wohoho! naa man diay tay Judge sa forum..your honor may i approach the bench please? LOL

    ok firs off, NEVER in the Catholic teaching teaches that Statues are to be worshipped.
    all the more you've proven my assumption.. you need some serious catechism..hehe

    well much has been said, for your sake and to save yourself from the awful habbit of misqouting others your honor, kindly read the following links..

    Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers
    and
    Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

    after you've read the links, esp sa catechism nga link. tagae ko ug asa nga paragprah your honor nga gitudlo sa Simbahang Katoliko ang pagsimba sa mga imahe..
    ug sultihi ko kung asa dapit sa mga pagtulon-an nisukwahi sa mga nasuwat sa Biblia...

    kung ang imung basis kay kanang imung makita sa simbahan nga magpahid-pahid sa mga imahe, magluhod atubangan sa imahe..ug uban pa...
    well that wouldn't surpise me kay ikaw na mismo nag ingun.. "MAKA JUDGE KA"
    question is, insakto ba kaha ang imung paghukom?
    and where in the bible it is stated that you can judge according to how you perceived..

    after ka mu atake unya manginstulto sa among pagtulon-an muingun lang ka ug kalit ug PEACE? do you even understand what the word means?
    tabla ra ka ug nangluwa sa imung isig ka tao sa nawung unya imung giingnan..peace ta ha..nyahahaha...
    i thought you're suppose to know more about God's Love and all that jazz...

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    Ask a question rather than share an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    labay lang ko
    there is no way to validate prayer i can also say i pray to my god who is a unicorn, and the same shit happens guaranteed.
    Anything that can be done with prayer can be done without it.
    God Bless You Bro

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    Do your duties ..... I did mine.
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    Why is it that the bible or the actors within speaks in metaphor? It is written that what you read in the bible is not to be taken literally? What seems to be a very clear and simple statement, the believers makes it so complicated.

    For me, the original author of the bible made sure that what's written will have a lot of meanings and interpretations. Obviously to sow confusion and stops you from questioning the authority of your god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    Kini tubaga daw ko "Ngano atong mga prayers dili man ma answer?

    These are your teaching in the bible, Its crystal clear in your teaching that when we pray daw "nothing is impossible".


    Matthew 7:7
    Matthew 17:20
    Matthew 21:21
    Mark 11:24
    John 14:12-14
    Matthew 18:19
    James 5:15-16
    depende sa motive or gitubag na ka din wa ka kauyon sa tubag. Di man tanang gusto sa anak ihatag sa iyang amahan labi na kun nakita sa amahan nga di makaayo para sa iyang anak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    Why is it that the bible or the actors within speaks in metaphor? It is written that what you read in the bible is not to be taken literally? What seems to be a very clear and simple statement, the believers makes it so complicated.
    No not everything in the bible is in metaphor. The are verses that can be taken literally(e.g history) and there are those that are in metaphor(e.g prophesies).

    For me, the original author of the bible made sure that what's written will have a lot of meanings and interpretations. Obviously to sow confusion and stops you from questioning the authority of your god.
    speaking from experience? Hehe. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it incomprehensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    i believe the Church's stand on RH Law is against it but individual choice of each Catholic is respected.
    therefore, one can be a Catholic while pro RH bill. although this is not ideal..and a direct contradiction of being a Catholic.
    If mag hisgot tag respect, Why would the Church Tried so hard to Stop the RH bill nga Dili raman RC ang tawo sa Pinas? considering also the separation sa church and state?

    I heard some Priest nga nag campaign nga dili pabotaran kadtung pabor sa RH also... although some of you already said its Not coming from the vatican..

    My question would Be, for RC teaching, What is the Borderline between Respect other peoples Belief and implementing the Church Obligation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakinimo View Post
    labay lang ko
    There is no way to validate prayer I can also say I pray to my god who is a unicorn, and the same shit happens guaranteed.
    Anything that can be done with prayer can be done without it.
    How can you be Sure about prayers when YOU yourself ADMITTED that there's NO WAY Prayers can be Validated....

    Nigawas nsad na imung Walay sense nga Belief ha...

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