The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[Jhared]

Uhm, sa akong simple nga pagkasabot.. "If we never disobeyed God, would any of these happen? Don't ya think the history would've been better?" Meh.. Btaw..

Not that "FAULTY" ang methods ni Lord in the Old Testament, I believe he doesn't go wrong man pud, but more of ang mga tao ang dli magpatuo. Thus, the punishments. Being punished doesn't mean you are not loved as well. Hmmm..

Since the punishments didn't work, kai hard headed raman kaau ang mga tao, He sent his only son for our salvation from our own sins. Hmmmm

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Ipamugos gyud nga mao na ang naa

ya tough love i guess.. i find God's love in the OT rather too unreasonable and selective, that is why it is always subject to debates by atheists, because it is by human understanding faulty and horrifyingly wicked, it would take a great deal of faith from a man to render it justified.. i mean telling your people to kill an entire race? and have the virgins as their wives? if you do a little amount of work during Sabbath day ud be put to death? asking a man to impregnate his brother's widow? or have two daughters have *** with their father?.. i dont know about you but that to me is faulty..

[dongzkie]

mao lagi migo, maikod ta hehehe. unsa kahay lakaw ani noh hehehe

maikog man pud ko mopadayon da kay naa nay warning.. but contradictions after all are also in some way questions of the faith therefore still valid to be heard and answered in this thread.. debates are fun, and perhaps that's the reason why this thread is a topnotcher, it goes to show that despite of all the contradictions, insults and unending wave of hypocrisy there stands a few people that's willing to fight them back with firm answers.. i say let 'em bollocks spread their immaturity in this thread, as long as there are defenders in their way the words of your God will always prove successful, as it has for Millenniums..

Some people are always asking the same questions, because tapulan sila mag backread (and that's valid because its a waste of time to backread kay daghan na kaayo ug pages, and usually we just log-in for a limited time), personally if naa koy question if mag backread pko sa 700+ pages to look for the same question aw maabtan pkog ugma,.. do excuse me, Im just saying what i think everytime naay mosulti nga back read..

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ning ingon d i ko sio nga akoy gibinlan wala man tingale sio

Gibinlan ka sa Pagtulon-an ug EXAMPLE ni Kristo nga KUNG Kinsa tong WALAY SALA Maoy Mu Una ug BATO.

Jesus Said, Do Not Judge so that You will Not be Judged.

Jesus Said Dont Do unto Others What You dont want others to do Unto YOU.


YOU SAID - MAKA JUDGE TAH...kay naay Gibasehan? Now, IKAW man kahay Gibinlan sa Libro. Hatagi daw ko ug pagtulon an sa imung Libro nga Pwedi tah Mu Judge sa ubang TAwo?

[SioDenz]

ning ingon d i ko sio nga akoy gibinlan wala man tingale sio

OT:
Ikaw ray nag Ingun nga:

na unsa man tawn ka sio, kinsa man d i gibinlan sa libro nga kita mang taw.

Wa diay kay Apil sa KITA? OR di diay ka TAWO?

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ya tough love i guess.. i find God's love in the OT rather too unreasonable and selective, that is why it is always subject to debates by atheists, because it is by human understanding faulty and horrifyingly wicked, it would take a great deal of faith from a man to render it justified.. i mean telling your people to kill an entire race? and have the virgins as their wives? if you do a little amount of work during Sabbath day ud be put to death? asking a man to impregnate his brother's widow? or have two daughters have *** with their father?.. i dont know about you but that to me is faulty..

Why would an Atheist Debate and Question the Works of a God in the First place?

[dongzkie]

nya imo man gi target nga ako ra.
nya ikaw wa d i ka anang libroha, apil pud ka

OT:
Ikaw ray nag Ingun nga:



Wa diay kay Apil sa KITA? OR di diay ka TAWO?

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Why would an Atheist Debate and Question the Works of a God in the First place?

[noy]

It is rather odd to me why an all powerful God didnt notice that his methods might be too cruel and atrocious and biblically speaking it took him 8000 years (give and take) to change it.. if you say that the mode of Salvation has evolved, then he mustve realized he was wrong to even consider other options.. That is to say he was wrong the first time, ergo not absolute..

i'm not surprise if you perceived things as such bro, even i myself almost left my faith in the Judeo-Christian God many years ago for many reasons, one of which is the same thing that we're talking about right now.

you actually answered your own question..
the key words and phrases would be.. " TO ME", "ALL POWERFUL" and "MUST'VE"

point is, it's easy for us to conclude something must have been wrong when we don't know the absolutes of right and wrong
and do we even understand the capacity of an "ALL POWERFUL" being?

i don't know if you've experienced this but when i was a teenager, i grew up hating my parents 'cause of how they were while i was growing up..
now that i have a family of my own, i ended up thanking my parents for i wouldn't be who i am right now if not for them.
i believe when simplified it is the same with God's ways, only in an almost infinitely complex manner. besides, He's suppose to be all powerful and all knowing.
personally, i used to hate God before 'cause i had to go through serious LOADS of CRAP in the past, now i no longer do but the crappy circumstance still surface from time to time..at times even on a daily basis..
like a kid with basic math skills trying to solve an algebraic equation, i could never understand the specifics and reason behind everything..but one thing i'm sure of,
they were for purpose and that purpose was good.
for had i not gone through those edgy moments, i wouldn't have met challenges that ultimately led to maturity and wisdom.

Like death as the capital punishment in the days of Moses, who knows? for us it was just pure Evil but to an ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL God, it meant indulgence and a chance for salvation.

and again by evolution of Salvation, it doesn't mean CHANGE but rather a FULFILLMENT.

if people back then were to be saved by their own actions, Jesus fulfilled it with His sacrifice on the cross.. so no more stoning to death, no more outcasting, no more whatsoever..as Jesus said on the cross. it is done.
Jesus didn't do away the old Laws but fulfilled them instead.
Jesus died on our behalf. Jesus who was without sin became Sin for us, Jesus was the Lamb of God and the sin offering that takes away the sins of the world.
in other words, it is Jesus who gets stoned to death instead of us.
that's what i meant by evolution of Salvation and it never meant CHANGES.

[noy]

Hello migo.
kasabot man kaha aning Exodus 20:3-6 migo? Depensa-e imong baroganan ani migo nga mo ampo mo og mga kinulit nga bato.
Sa ato pa mosupak ka aning Exodus 20:3-6? ayaw kog ingna migo nga kinahanglan pa kog study anang practice sa katoliko, basin ikaw wala pa ka kasabot, nagbasa man kaha kag bible? Kamo ang na ignorante sa katoliko.
Maka judge ta sa mga taw nga nag-ampo og mga imahe kay naa koy basihanan which klaro kay na nga naa sa bible.
Peace

wohoho! naa man diay tay Judge sa forum..your honor may i approach the bench please? LOL

ok firs off, NEVER in the Catholic teaching teaches that Statues are to be worshipped.
all the more you've proven my assumption.. you need some serious catechism..hehe

well much has been said, for your sake and to save yourself from the awful habbit of misqouting others your honor, kindly read the following links..

Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers
and
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The first commandment

after you've read the links, esp sa catechism nga link. tagae ko ug asa nga paragprah your honor nga gitudlo sa Simbahang Katoliko ang pagsimba sa mga imahe..
ug sultihi ko kung asa dapit sa mga pagtulon-an nisukwahi sa mga nasuwat sa Biblia...

kung ang imung basis kay kanang imung makita sa simbahan nga magpahid-pahid sa mga imahe, magluhod atubangan sa imahe..ug uban pa...
well that wouldn't surpise me kay ikaw na mismo nag ingun.. "MAKA JUDGE KA"
question is, insakto ba kaha ang imung paghukom?
and where in the bible it is stated that you can judge according to how you perceived..

after ka mu atake unya manginstulto sa among pagtulon-an muingun lang ka ug kalit ug PEACE? do you even understand what the word means?
tabla ra ka ug nangluwa sa imung isig ka tao sa nawung unya imung giingnan..peace ta ha..nyahahaha...
i thought you're suppose to know more about God's Love and all that jazz...

[NapoleonBlownapart]

i'm not surprise if you perceived things as such bro, even i myself almost left my faith in the Judeo-Christian God many years ago for many reasons, one of which is the same thing that we're talking about right now.

you actually answered your own question..
the key words and phrases would be.. " TO ME", "ALL POWERFUL" and "MUST'VE"

point is, it's easy for us to conclude something must have been wrong when we don't know the absolutes of right and wrong
and do we even understand the capacity of an "ALL POWERFUL" being?

i don't know if you've experienced this but when i was a teenager, i grew up hating my parents 'cause of how they were while i was growing up..
now that i have a family of my own, i ended up thanking my parents for i wouldn't be who i am right now if not for them.
i believe when simplified it is the same with God's ways, only in an almost infinitely complex manner. besides, He's suppose to be all powerful and all knowing.
personally, i used to hate God before 'cause i had to go through serious LOADS of CRAP in the past, now i no longer do but the crappy circumstance still surface from time to time..at times even on a daily basis..
like a kid with basic math skills trying to solve an algebraic equation, i could never understand the specifics and reason behind everything..but one thing i'm sure of,
they were for purpose and that purpose was good.
for had i not gone through those edgy moments, i wouldn't have met challenges that ultimately led to maturity and wisdom.

Like death as the capital punishment in the days of Moses, who knows? for us it was just pure Evil but to an ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL God, it meant indulgence and a chance for salvation.

and again by evolution of Salvation, it doesn't mean CHANGE but rather a FULFILLMENT.

if people back then were to be saved by their own actions, Jesus fulfilled it with His sacrifice on the cross.. so no more stoning to death, no more outcasting, no more whatsoever..as Jesus said on the cross. it is done.
Jesus didn't do away the old Laws but fulfilled them instead.
Jesus died on our behalf. Jesus who was without sin became Sin for us, Jesus was the Lamb of God and the sin offering that takes away the sins of the world.
in other words, it is Jesus who gets stoned to death instead of us.
that's what i meant by evolution of Salvation and it never meant CHANGES.

Men tend to put an infinite God to a box. They will then say that God is so cruel, God is this and God is that. Surely, men doesn't understand what they are saying.

[noy]

Some people are always asking the same questions, because tapulan sila mag backread (and that's valid because its a waste of time to backread kay daghan na kaayo ug pages, and usually we just log-in for a limited time), personally if naa koy question if mag backread pko sa 700+ pages to look for the same question aw maabtan pkog ugma,.. do excuse me, Im just saying what i think everytime naay mosulti nga back read..

dili pud lalim para namu nga sige ug balik2x ug tubag bro. i hope you understand.
for example kanang question about statues, murag ambut kapila na na nako natubag..ako lang ni ha...
wa pa nay labut sa uban nga ningtubag pud ana nga pangutanaha..are you feeling me brah? LOL

mao i'm proposing if naa man ganiy question regarding Catholicism or the Church's practice and doctrines.
it would be ideal to study about them first para klaro atong basis sa argument dili kay puro lang mga misconceptions.
but you do know nga dili ikaw akong pasabut ani, 'cause your question was somewhat broad..
not necessarily just for Catholics, but for everyone who believes in the Christian God i guess..

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Men tend to put an infinite God to a box. They will then say that God is so cruel, God is this and God is that. Surely, men doesn't understand what they are saying.

this is true and it's sad. if i were God, ambut lang ug naa pay freewill ang mga tao karun..LOL
maayo ra pud diay nga dili ko Ginoo..hehehe..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

JHARED ...

Ani na lang .... find me a question , something that confuses you . Something that is reasonable to be asked that commands explanation wether rooted from personal POV's or from the books . We will tackle that or maybe someone would but .... here is the catch , make it something worth the time for discussion . C'mon , this thread has reached 723 pages and thousands if not hundreds of members ( iSTORYANS ) has participated / lurked .If its something that is so common , everyday , mediocre , so so topics and ideas that leads to become a question like general topics about the TRADITION , SCRIPTURES and MAGISTERIUM , INFALLIBILITY POPE , BVM ( Immaculate , being worshiped , different titles , etc ) , " REPEATED " PRAYERS" , " WORSHIPPING "SAINTS , MAGISTERIUM being ABSOLUTE, CATHECISM being ABSOLUTE, PRIEST ( Sacrament of HOly Orders and its powers including the Sacrament of Reconciliation ) , TITHES and the FINANCIAL STATUS of the church, SUICIDE( to be prayed over or not ) , NUNS , HOLY TRINITY , HISTORY of the RCC , BLESSED SACRAMENTS and its substance , the EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES etc ....save your energy .Most likely these has been answered and explained personally or within the confines of Catholic teachings supplied with reliable Catholic references .

To give justice to what you said, dili lang ikaw ang naay limited time diri , we too have limited time yet we took the time and effort of answering and explaining most of the questions brought up to the table. Dont you think you and the rest should take the time and effort also of reading those answers and explanations ?

Kana inyohang mga questions intawn naa na sa basic CATHECISM ang answers oi .... unya lalison pa jud ? Mas mo bilib ko sa abilidad ninyo if you guys can come up a more challenging question. Dont you guys see the pattern of discrediting the RCC ? Mangutana mo ug questions then tubagon mo para ninyo sayop. WHy ask in the first place if kabalo mo sa sakto na tubag ?

[noy]

haha!!! ok, next question na ta..