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  1. #21

    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    i prepare ang national security troop aron inig agi sa bagyo i deploy sila sa affected area para mo assist sa LGU
    murag mao ni gi buhat sa US kadto naa kusog nga hurricane ni igo didto
    I thought you're blaming the government kay daghan patay. With regards to mobilizing help, even US militaries have difficulties aiding ground zero. reasonss? Firstly, only small aircrafts can land sa airstrip kay devastated ang airprot. mga dagko na planes mag lisod, ground travel lisod sad kay blocked ang roads. DPHW? They are also affected in typhoons and I am sure they are doing everything they can to help. Secondly, to aid tacloban in timely manner you have to use aircrafts, that's the one and only means for transporting relief goods, keysa mag boat mo, some of the goods are perishable. Dili ni xa basta basta lang nga disaster. It was a category 5 typhoon which i think any country can suffer the same fate.

    I understand nga daghan lacking sa government. What I am concerned jud kay ma likayan pa jud unta ang ing-ani ka daghan nga casualties. But of course, I have to blame those people na wala mo hawa sa ilang gipuy-an maski pila na kabook warning sa PAG-ASA. Government wasn't able to force evacuate those people which we could've minimzed the casualties. Hopefully, dili ma "magic magic" ang relief goods nga ni abot sa PH. And ma distribute sila. I you have been to the ground zero, you would understand why it is difficult to distribute the relief goods. Lisod paman gani sa Norht sa Cebu, kato pa ba kaha nga nag storm surge.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    I thought you're blaming the government kay daghan patay. With regards to mobilizing help, even US militaries have difficulties aiding ground zero. reasonss? Firstly, only small aircrafts can land sa airstrip kay devastated ang airprot. mga dagko na planes mag lisod, ground travel lisod sad kay blocked ang roads. DPHW? They are also affected in typhoons and I am sure they are doing everything they can to help.
    DPWH = naa sila mga employee nga wala sa affected area
    logistics = dili lang airports ang agi anan
    naa mga organization nga naka adto sa mga affected areas with out using aircraft

    rergarding sa evacuation...
    evaucation site = affected
    naa pud mga taga didto nga walai lain ma adto an kai walai close relatives or mga taw nga ila ma stayhan

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    DPWH = naa sila mga employee nga wala sa affected area
    logistics = dili lang airports ang agi anan
    naa mga organization nga naka adto sa mga affected areas with out using aircraft

    rergarding sa evacuation...
    evaucation site = affected
    naa pud mga taga didto nga walai lain ma adto an kai walai close relatives or mga taw nga ila ma stayhan
    This... Nothing more, nothing less.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    DPWH = naa sila mga employee nga wala sa affected area
    logistics = dili lang airports ang agi anan
    naa mga organization nga naka adto sa mga affected areas with out using aircraft

    rergarding sa evacuation...
    evaucation site = affected
    naa pud mga taga didto nga walai lain ma adto an kai walai close relatives or mga taw nga ila ma stayhan
    DPHW = cannot mobilize (right away) all of their equipemnts due to block roads. If naa man gani DPHW center na wala ma affected, then that means they are far away from ground zero.

    Evacuation site = Since they are in the path of the typhoon, 2 days is enough time to evacuate from the are. Also, most of the death was due to storm surge, we cannot prevent the destruction of the properties, but the death of the people can be minimal. If proper preparation, evacuation, and especially they shouldn't underestimated that typhoon.

    Logistics = there's a reason nganong airlifts ang ilang gigamit, Mas dali ni maka respond compare sa mag barko ka. That's also the reason why US brought their Osprey's as it has an ability to take off/land like copters and fly like plaines.

    Anyway my point is that we should not focus ourselves on "Who's to blame" and "point fingers". I'm sure our government has done to the best they can to help these peope. And also, I do not deny the fact they there's some gap in there. We should focus on how we can help Tacloban city, one of the beautiful city in the country and it's people, rise up from this catastrophic event.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    DPHW = cannot mobilize (right away) all of their equipemnts due to block roads. If naa man gani DPHW center na wala ma affected, then that means they are far away from ground zero.
    working ang cellphone sa areas nga dili affected.. ma gamit ang phone aron ma contact ang mga DPWH staff

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    Evacuation site = Since they are in the path of the typhoon, 2 days is enough time to evacuate from the are. Also, most of the death was due to storm surge, we cannot prevent the destruction of the properties, but the death of the people can be minimal. If proper preparation, evacuation, and especially they shouldn't underestimated that typhoon.
    dili ingon ana ka sayon mag setup ug evacuation site sa lain location
    (e.g. kung sa schools i butang... naa pud baya mag classe kung wala kaayo damage sa area)

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    Logistics = there's a reason nganong airlifts ang ilang gigamit, Mas dali ni maka respond compare sa mag barko ka. That's also the reason why US brought their Osprey's as it has an ability to take off/land like copters and fly like plaines.
    naa mga NGO ug media nga naka sulod sa affected area

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    Anyway my point is that we should not focus ourselves on "Who's to blame" and "point fingers". I'm sure our government has done to the best they can to help these peope. And also, I do not deny the fact they there's some gap in there. We should focus on how we can help Tacloban city, one of the beautiful city in the country and it's people, rise up from this catastrophic event.
    blame = specialty sa ato current admin

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by masakiton View Post
    working ang cellphone sa areas nga dili affected.. ma gamit ang phone aron ma contact ang mga DPWH staff


    dili ingon ana ka sayon mag setup ug evacuation site sa lain location
    (e.g. kung sa schools i butang... naa pud baya mag classe kung wala kaayo damage sa area)


    naa mga NGO ug media nga naka sulod sa affected area


    blame = specialty sa ato current admin
    1st = Yes, they can always contact DPHW but this is different if we are talking about means of trasportation. As I've said, blocked roads is the problem.

    2nd = I think 3-4 days is sufficient enough to have an evacuation area.

    3rd = Media/NGO naka sulod sa area which they really can't do anything except to report. For NGO's they have to assess the damage first before sending help. As what US have done.

    4th = I'll take this as your opinion, and if you wan't to blame them, then you can for all you want. I'm not a fan with the current administration either, but I have to ask myself, what can I do on this catastrophic event? Instead of giving a "finger" to our government. They have done things which you and I can't or won't.

  7. #27
    murag suhito man kaayo ka "masakiton".. have u been to ground zero yourself or your all basing these from what you saw on TV.
    you think it all that easy? ikaw nalang kaha ang pag LGU.. lets see unsay ayo nimo dd2.

    you think you know more.. have u been to ground zero? talking of what the govt should have done..
    ikaw unsa nay natabang nimo?

    bisan tabang ug repack, nitabang kaha ka? you like any typical Filipino, always complaining pero what have you done to help your fellow Filipinos.

    pfffft..

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    1st = Yes, they can always contact DPHW but this is different if we are talking about means of trasportation. As I've said, blocked roads is the problem.
    naa naka sud media ug mga NGO
    pwede man ang objective sa DPWH kai clearning operation labi na sa mga main roads
    kung naa working chain saw, people transport vehicle ug man power pwede na mag perform ug road clearing operation

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    2nd = I think 3-4 days is sufficient enough to have an evacuation area.
    maski i himoon ug evacucation side ang isa ka bodega..
    kinahanglan gihapon ug:
    1. sanitation
    2. few days/weeks of drinking water, food and clothes
    3. funds sa pag hakot (sa govt murag pa abtan pa ug siyam2x para approval)

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    3rd = Media/NGO naka sulod sa area which they really can't do anything except to report. For NGO's they have to assess the damage first before sending help. As what US have done.
    pero naka sud sila sa affected area dala ang ilahang goods (for NGO) and communication equipments (media)
    dili lang baya na mag hayon ang media kung mag report labi na live

    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    4th = I'll take this as your opinion, and if you wan't to blame them, then you can for all you want. I'm not a fan with the current administration either, but I have to ask myself, what can I do on this catastrophic event? Instead of giving a "finger" to our government. They have done things which you and I can't or won't.
    blame mode ang govt
    media ug NGO naka adto sa mga lugar nga naai mga dala (e.g. equipment or goods) pero ang govt wala

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by crisxahia View Post
    murag suhito man kaayo ka "masakiton".. have u been to ground zero yourself or your all basing these from what you saw on TV.
    naka sud ang mga media (dala ilahang mga equipments) pero ang govt nag lisod

    Quote Originally Posted by crisxahia View Post
    you think it all that easy? ikaw nalang kaha ang pag LGU.. lets see unsay ayo nimo dd2.
    part na sa ilahang trabaho
    Last edited by masakiton; 11-14-2013 at 02:14 PM.

  9. #29
    Dinhi ko nalang ipabuhagay ang akong pagmahay sa mga hingtungdan ahensya sa kagamhanan nga gisangunan sa paghatag ug hinabang sa mga biktima ni Yolanda.

    Ang akong yutang natawhan mao ang Merida Leyte, nahimutang tunga sa Ormoc City ug Isabel, Leyte. Nagdali ko ug pauli sa Merida, tungod kay nag text ang akong magulang sa alas tres sa kadlawon sa pag Biyernes nga di na kasulti ang ako inahan, ug di na katulon, apan sa buntag sa Biyernes na nako nabasa ang maong txt ug sa pag alas 8am sa Buntag ako nakontact ang landline number sa ako maguwang apan wa mi nadugay ug estorya kay nagkalisang na sila tungod kay gihapak na sila sa kusog nga hangin. Mao kadto ang katapusan namo pag-istorya, human ato wla na gyud komunikasyon.

    Sa sunod nga adlaw human sa Bangis nga Yolanda, nangita ako dayon ug kasakyan nga barko paingon sa Leyte, wala ko kasakay sa supercat kay walay byahi.Maayo gani kay gipahibalo ko sa ako ig-agaw nga mobyahi ang MV melrivic 2 gkan sa Danao City paingon sa Isabel, Leyte inig ka alas singko. Mao nagdali-dali ko ug adto apan wala gyud makalarga sa 5pm tungod kay gipaabot pa ang mga truck nga ikarga sa Ferry Boat.

    Nakalarga mi @ 10PM ug niabot mi sa Pingag, Isabel Leyte 2am. Wala ko manaug sa barko tungod sa grabeng kangit-ngit sa palibot, samot pa nga gipahibalo ko sa tripulante sa barko nga dunay patay'ng lawas nag utaw-utaw didto tungod sa rampa sa barko ug nag sugod na ug panimaho. Pag bukas sa kahayag sa sayong buntag sa Domingo akong nakita ang grabeng kadaut sa palibot, mga balay nga wa mahitsura, bisan ang mga concreto nga balay nagbarug tuod apan wala na atup. Nagpaabot ko ug kasakyan apan wala gayuy pasahero-an, nagpaabot ko nga mogawas ang mga gikarga nga truck aron mka -hitch apan wala sila mogawas sa gate sa wharf tungod kay matud pa dili pa maagi-an ang dalan padung sa Ormoc City. Mao nisakay na lang ako ug motor sa usa ka tawo nga dunay adtoon sa Ormoc, apan gipa-plete ko ug Php100.00 bisan kutob lang ako sa Merida. Sa pagsubay namo sa dalan padung sa Merida, ako nakita ang grabe nga kadaut sa mga balay, lubi, kahoy, mga poste sa kuryente, pulos nahi-agom sa kulata ni Yolanda. Ako nang napanlantawan sa akong huna2x nga susama ang nahiagoman sa among panimalay.

    Apan dako akong kalipay sa dihang pagabot nako sa among balay, gamay lang ang kadaut ug nagpabilin ang atup. Ako nahibaw-an nga 7 ka pamilya ang misilong didto atol sa bagyo. Ug swerte usab nga ako naabtan ang ako inahan nga buhi pa, apan nag antus sa infection sa iya tiil tungod kay diabetic man. Andam nalang dawaton sa akong inahan ang iyang katapusan, tungod sa nakita niyang kawad-on nga mahimong mahitabo tungod sa nahi-aguman sa among tanom nga lubi, diin mao lamang kini among gisaligan nga panginabuhi-an.

    Wlay kuryente, lisod pangita ug signal, mao halos walay communication ug inpormasyon ang mga tawo didto. Nanghatag kuno ug hinabang ang lokal nga DSWD apan dili igo tungod ang pundo lamang kadto nga naa daan didto ug ang uban bugas nabasa pa.

    Sukad Domingo hangtud Martes diin ako nibiya didto walay hinabang naabot sa National Government agencies concerned, naay mga helicopter nag-agi2 apan kutob lamang cguro pagkuha ug video footage o kaha ang uban niadto gi-charter sa mga adunahan sa tacloban aron sa pag-ikyas. Domingo sa udto ma-agi na ang karsada gikan Isabel padung sa Ormoc.

    Sa akong nakita sa mga balita, daghan ang hinabang nga gipreparar apan wala man nahi-abot. Siguro atoa sila naka-focus sa Tacloban. Ug sa paghibalik nako dinhi ako nahibalo-an nga daghan diay nga kalungsuran ang wa pud naabti ug hinabang hangtod karon. Ako ipahibalo dinhi nga dunay mahimong kadunggo-an sa barko didto sa Pingag, Isabel, Leyte. Pwede adto magdala ug hinabang, para i-apod apod sa mga lungsod sa Isabel, Merida, Ormoc, Palompon ug uban kalungsuron sa kasadpang Leyte.

    Hinaut matabangan unta ang among lugar.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by gotnowheels View Post
    1st = Yes, they can always contact DPHW but this is different if we are talking about means of trasportation. As I've said, blocked roads is the problem. they are from DPWH they should have heavy equipments to remove what ever that is blocking the roads, that are their main work during calamities

    2nd = I think 3-4 days is sufficient enough to have an evacuation area. evacuation center away from ground zero would be best, so we go back to item 1 that DPWH need to clear the roads.

    3rd = Media/NGO naka sulod sa area which they really can't do anything except to report. For NGO's they have to assess the damage first before sending help. As what US have done.

    4th = I'll take this as your opinion, and if you wan't to blame them, then you can for all you want. I'm not a fan with the current administration either, but I have to ask myself, what can I do on this catastrophic event? Instead of giving a "finger" to our government. They have done things which you and I can't or won't.
    frustrations are setting in because people are doing many things, relief goods are piling up but the government is just to slow in their actions

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