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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Sa Case nga gi file nga Plunder karon ni Arroryo ( Malampaya Fund ) which walay diay klaro direct participation ang presidente according ni De lima tungod sa Negligence kasuhan ug Plunder ....

    Sa sunod admin ani mao sab ni Buhaton sa mga mo puli kasohan pud ni si Pnoy ug Negligence ....

    Si Mike Arroyo gi apil pud nila ( Tuason’s husband is a cousin of Mike Arroyo ) hinoon wa pa sila ebedinsia ug direct participation ....

    Mag duda ta ba nga Diversionary Tactic napud ni .. kay na puno naman sa Bira si Pnoy as Pork Barrel King ...
    A month ago kibaw nata naay 2nd batch of filing which involved Malampaya. I don't see any diversion in this case. Sa tagalog pa nagkataon lang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer_v2 View Post
    ako nlay makig deal nimo bro.. money down pa.. now na.. agad2x.. 2x sa imong offer..

    ayko ingna kani mga haters dri, di gyud ni sila mo supporta sa abnoy.. pahalag mgka muritsing ang nasod.. Gibo baya ni sila ha..
    Pnoy man ko dili ta talo ug mao na.

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    Ani nalang since lahi2x man jud tag view bahin aning Administration ron then why not mag deal ta?

    Time Range: Now until the end of Pnoy's term.

    Result na gusto nako makita:

    1.Passing of FOI Bill
    2. Jailing of at least 1 Senator

    Akoang pledge ani is: 20K pesos ug dili na makuha ni Pnoy ang resulta.

    The money will be used to fund an eyeball for all Istoryans. Either ako ang mogasto or kamo depende sa resulta.

    Kinsa man makig deal nako ani?Pnoy haters asa namo?
    ****

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    dugaya pa ana oi... 2016 pa ta mg EB? hehehe

    -----basta tanan action buhaton ni pnoy diversionary tactics... nahala, ayaw pasakahi ug kaso ang involved sa MAlampaya, e.atras ang kaso sa involve sa PCSO, e.atras ang kaso na involve sa PNP Generals... undangon ta ning gobernoha... impeach abnoy!!! now na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer_v2 View Post
    dugaya pa ana oi... 2016 pa ta mg EB? hehehe

    -----basta tanan action buhaton ni pnoy diversionary tactics... nahala, ayaw pasakahi ug kaso ang involved sa MAlampaya, e.atras ang kaso sa involve sa PCSO, e.atras ang kaso na involve sa PNP Generals... undangon ta ning gobernoha... impeach abnoy!!! now na.
    I atras pud ang kaso aning mga vote buyers, ipangbalik sa ilang mga puwesto ang taga BOC, i prenda ang Hamilton Cutter, haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    A month ago kibaw nata naay 2nd batch of filing which involved Malampaya. I don't see any diversion in this case. Sa tagalog pa nagkataon lang.

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    Pnoy man ko dili ta talo ug mao na.

    ****
    Ani nalang since lahi2x man jud tag view bahin aning Administration ron then why not mag deal ta?

    Time Range: Now until the end of Pnoy's term.

    Result na gusto nako makita:

    1.Passing of FOI Bill
    2. Jailing of at least 1 Senator

    Akoang pledge ani is: 20K pesos ug dili na makuha ni Pnoy ang resulta.

    The money will be used to fund an eyeball for all Istoryans. Either ako ang mogasto or kamo depende sa resulta.

    Kinsa man makig deal nako ani?Pnoy haters asa namo?
    ****
    timan-a tani nga istorya.
    peru bawal ang pustahanay dinhi.

    sumbalikan taka kung ma pasa na ang FOI sa final reading ug ma issuehan ug WOA ang 3 senators

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nefarian View Post
    I atras pud ang kaso aning mga vote buyers, ipangbalik sa ilang mga puwesto ang taga BOC, i prenda ang Hamilton Cutter, haha

    ibalik sa pwesto c George Estregan.. way ayo ang COMELEC.. ngano man diay ug mo gasto sobra2x sa election.. ok rna oi.. diversionary tactics raning tanan sa pgka bo go sa presidente...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer_v2 View Post
    carry-over sa imong mata...

    basaha lagi ug tarong... wa diay ka kita ni ingon ang moody nga because abnot/panot is popular....

    popular diay to imong tita gloria? hahaha
    Magsakit diay?

    Nah, comprehension skills lage jack. PNoy being popular is supplementary. Basaha sag usab. RP has a weaker generation of revenues, BUT primary surpluses over 8 of the last 10 years were being used to pay off debts resulting from deft fiscal management allows for payment of debts improving their credit rating, which will continue over the next half decade. 10 years jack, Dili 3... The Philippines was out of the deficit and working itself out of its debt burden before nakalinkud imung amo.

    Grabe naman nang style oi, hilig ug blame pero kung nindot ang ma-mana, way credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by æRLO View Post
    Magsakit diay?

    Nah, comprehension skills lage jack. PNoy being popular is supplementary. Basaha sag usab. RP has a weaker generation of revenues, BUT primary surpluses over 8 of the last 10 years were being used to pay off debts resulting from deft fiscal management allows for payment of debts improving their credit rating, which will continue over the next half decade. 10 years jack, Dili 3... The Philippines was out of the deficit and working itself out of its debt burden before nakalinkud imung amo.

    Grabe naman nang style oi, hilig ug blame pero kung nindot ang ma-mana, way credit.
    ang g.highlight diha tungod sa good governance.. ikaw ra ng ingon saona sa panahon pang FVR ga sugod ang debt management...

    now, logically sa panahon pa untang ramos na investment grade ang pinas.. unya sa panahon ni gma na AAA+++ kay maayo baya to..

    UG NGANONG, wala man gyud na nahitabo beh? aber.. aber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_bauer_v2 View Post
    ang g.highlight diha tungod sa good governance.. ikaw ra ng ingon saona sa panahon pang FVR ga sugod ang debt management...

    now, logically sa panahon pa untang ramos na investment grade ang pinas.. unya sa panahon ni gma na AAA+++ kay maayo baya to..

    UG NGANONG, wala man gyud na nahitabo beh? aber.. aber?
    because it takes time to pay off debts? because credit rating upgrades are gradual? The credit ratings/outlook upgrades started during Arroyo's term--back when she stabilized the deficit. It only got to this point naay anam-anam ang surplus (even though marginal pa ang deficit/surplus as of now) because Arroyo got the ball rolling. Fitch's rationale for upgrading the credit rating was similar to Moody's, and this was actually cited.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/bu...anted=all&_r=0

    Philippines Gets Investment-Grade Credit Rating
    By BETTINA WASSENER and FLOYD WHALEY
    Published: March 27, 2013

    ...Fitch Ratings cited “improvements in fiscal management” begun under Mr. Aquino’s predecessor, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, as one of the reasons for its decision to lift the Philippines’ rating from junk status, increasing it one notch, to BBB- from BB+. The rating applies to the country’s long-term debt denominated in foreign currency.

    The upgrade, Fitch said, reflected a persistent current account surplus, underpinned by remittance inflows, while a “strong policy-making framework” — notably effective inflation management by the central bank — has supported the overall economy in recent years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yacky2006 View Post
    timan-a tani nga istorya.
    peru bawal ang pustahanay dinhi.

    sumbalikan taka kung ma pasa na ang FOI sa final reading ug ma issuehan ug WOA ang 3 senators
    Haha alkansiha nako no. Ug makuha na akoang resulta ngano gud tawn ako pay makabayad hahaha. Dili mani ibulsa oi para gamiton mani ug magkasinabot ang mga Istoryans ug gathering.

    Ani mani:

    NO results: I will shoulder 20k.
    If NAAY Result: Someone from here(critics of this Administration) should shoulder the 20k.

    Ang money para sad bitaw nato diri sa Istorya.

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    Economic stimulus? Honestly? | Business, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

    Economic stimulus? Honestly?

    DEMAND AND SUPPLY By Boo Chanco (The Philippine Star) | Updated October 4, 2013 - 12:00am




    It is called the Disbursement Acceleration Program or DAP. Calling DAP an economic stimulus seems like an afterthought concocted by a devious bureaucrat to justify the use of taxpayer money in less than honorable ways.

    If this happened during Ate Glue’s watch, I wouldn’t have been surprised. That it happened under P-Noy’s Daang Matuwid makes it a painful betrayal of the public trust.

    I don’t buy the DBM’s justification of its existence as a means to get the economy moving at a time when the government agencies like DOTC couldn’t get their projects going. It is difficult to understand why, as Sec. Abad gives the impression, government agencies can move fast when funded by DAP but exhibit poor absorptive capacity with their regular budgets.

    The better way to stimulate the economy is to get the infrastructure agencies to move their projects. The jobs created as well as the benefits the infra projects will bring will certainly boost the economy… legally and morally.


    It is noteworthy we only heard of how DAP actually works the past few days. We only found out because Jinggoy Estrada revealed it as his defense on the pork issue. There were press releases and news reports in the Official Gazette on it but said nothing about asking senators to nominate projects, in the case of Sen. Frank Drilon, P100 million worth.

    I am glad to note that I am not the only one originally madly supportive of P-Noy who does not buy this DAP story. Indeed, I wonder: are they starting to lose Conrad de Quiros? They are starting to lose me already but I didn’t think they would lose Conrad this soon too.

    I don’t understand why they can’t see what they are doing is wrong. How can they not see how they have betrayed the trust of the people while producing nothing visible that’s worthy of the taxes we are paying? Danny Gozo is right about how the enchanted water they drink at the Palace can affect an official’s perspective of reality.

    Conrad raised the same questions I have. Butch Abad’s explanation is full of holes, Conrad writes. “The most obvious is that if the P50 million each given to the senators was a way of precipitating growth by funding their favorite infrastructure projects, how come Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Bongbong Marcos got nothing? Both voted in favor of Corona, along with Joker Arroyo.”

    Conrad labors to follow Malacanang’s arguments: “you want to spur growth — and true enough it was held back in the second half of 2010 and the whole of 2011 by lack of public spending — why need the senators at all? Why course it through the PDAF at all?


    “Government doesn’t lack for priority projects, or priority infrastructure projects. Education is chief of them, as the Constitution itself bids, building classrooms is chief of them. Why not just allocate it to it? Why think pork? Why go pork?”

    Conrad calls DAP, “yet again another one of those lump-sum appropriations unheard of until he (Abad) pulled it out of his hat… The DAP is not something the government can attribute to the Gloria Arroyo regime.

    “It deals the final, mortal blow at pork, robbing it of any justification whatsoever. The idea that government can make pork safe by instituting corrective measures isn’t strengthened by the DBM’s own willingness, if not eagerness, to resort to things like this to keep Congress in line.”

    Here comes the sense of betrayal that Conrad and I feel: “… the Daang Matuwid cannot be prosecuted through the Daang Baluktot. The latter will always be a minefield that could blow up anytime in your face. This fiasco shows so.”

    Why is it so difficult for this administration to understand that the people, particularly those who helped get them to Malacañang, are holding them to a very much higher standard of behavior? If this happened during Ate Glue’s time, we would have been just as indignant, but would have shrugged our shoulders and say that’s expected from her.

    But P-Noy? If P-Noy cannot behave in the straight and narrow way he promised he would, then this country is hopeless. The sense of indignation today is high not because we only found out now with the pork scam that our officials are robbing us blind. We are incensed that P-Noy could allow this sort of thing to happen in his watch. Now we wonder what other unpleasant surprises we will have in the future.

    One other thing I don’t like with DAP, other than the fact that experts say it is illegal and even unconstitutional, is how they created it by pooling savings of various agencies. Something is so wrong there. Savings should be returned to the General Fund.

    Allowing the use of savings to fund a presidential pork fund like DAP gives them an incentive to overestimate the budget. They have to borrow to fund an excessive budget which puts the burden on us and future generations of Filipino taxpayers. That is so wrong.

    At times like this, I wish we had a parliamentary government so we can have a quick vote of confidence and a fresh start. But there are still more than two years in P-Noy’s term and we cannot afford the prevailing atmosphere of distrust to hang over us up to 2016. Let us uncover the anomalies of Ate Glue which P-Noy says is about a trillion pesos worth. But let us not turn a blind eye on the anomalies since she bowed out of office.

    My advice to Malacañang is to come clean. Admit you guys were wrong to have conjured DAP. Say you are all ready to face the consequences… and it will never happen again under P-Noy’s watch. Nothing less will quench the public’s anger. Some humility and penance are called for.
    pardon the wall of text, but it sums up why Malacanang's DAP justification is bogus.
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