US forces 'ready to strike Syria'

[pak88]

Proposed Iranian Pipeline. Map shows how Iran may bypass the sanctions being put on it by the west should it complete its gas/oil pipeline.



Proposed Nabucco pipeline. This could be the plan of the west(Saudi, Qatar, and US) since it passes over their ally, Turkey. Note that the map still does not indicate passing over Syria specifically Damascus, Homs, and Allepo. Qatar has to make this happen since they could not make a pipeline over Saudi Arabia.



Map of region with all pipelines(both west and russian)



If there is any clarification or additional info, please don't hesitate to add them.

I don't know what this has to do with this thread but if there is, I see problems with it:

1. The western part of the pipeline goes over U.S. controlled Iraq
2. The eastern part of the pipeline goes over a part of Pakistan with which the the central government has little to no control, where Al-Qaeda has found cover and is wracked by insurgents.
3. The route to China goes over the Himalayas, which makes no sense, as shipping would be much, much cheaper

[M.A.D.]

1. Not sure if Iraq is completely US controlled. Majority of the muslims there are Shia muslims, therefore natural allies with Syria and Iran.
2. Pakistan has much better relations with Russia and china, as for al qaeda, there have a higher concentration in US-CIA controlled areas compared to pakistan. US and extremist Sunni muslims are supporters of Al qaeda.But the point here is that which ever arab nation has economic interests regardless if they are shiite or sunni may fund extremists groups. Also, why would pakistan be hostile to china and russia on their own accord? They actually have much to gain due to the proximity, it's just that the US has made sure to make pakistan unstable so that they can keep a close eye on Russia and China. The track record of relations between the US and pakistan is worse compared to pakistan's relationship with China and Russia. Both superpowers have not had a dismal record of intervention in the affairs of foreign countries if compared to the US.

3. If there is a plan to make a pipeline there it could be done though I don't know how specifically. But this has really forced the US and Israelis to hasten their plans should the pipeline be completed. If that got them panicking for war, then it must have some truth to it.

I don't know what this has to do with this thread but if there is, I see problems with it:

1. The western part of the pipeline goes over U.S. controlled Iraq
2. The eastern part of the pipeline goes over a part of Pakistan with which the the central government has little to no control, where Al-Qaeda has found cover and is wracked by insurgents.
3. The route to China goes over the Himalayas, which makes no sense, as shipping would be much, much cheaper

[pak88]

With thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future, I am sure that they have veto powers over anything that the Government does.

Pakistan has admittedly been drawn to the arms of China because of the continued close relations between US and India and being branded in the US as an unreliable ally. The US would naturally choose to partner with a democratic India rather than a country wracked by coups and militant Islam. However, Pakistan should remember that both China and Russia has brutally suppressed Islamic influence within and beyond its borders.

Anyway, I think that pipeline is a pipe dream and would take decades to come to fruition, if ever.

1. Not sure if Iraq is completely US controlled. Majority of the muslims there are Shia muslims, therefore natural allies with Syria and Iran.
2. Pakistan has much better relations with Russia and china, as for al qaeda, there have a higher concentration in US-CIA controlled areas compared to pakistan. US and extremist Sunni muslims are supporters of Al qaeda.But the point here is that which ever arab nation has economic interests regardless if they are shiite or sunni may fund extremists groups. Also, why would pakistan be hostile to china and russia on their own accord? They actually have much to gain due to the proximity, it's just that the US has made sure to make pakistan unstable so that they can keep a close eye on Russia and China. The track record of relations between the US and pakistan is worse compared to pakistan's relationship with China and Russia. Both superpowers have not had a dismal record of intervention in the affairs of foreign countries if compared to the US.

3. If there is a plan to make a pipeline there it could be done though I don't know how specifically. But this has really forced the US and Israelis to hasten their plans should the pipeline be completed. If that got them panicking for war, then it must have some truth to it.

[M.A.D.]

It is done in the concept process they are actually going to implement the pipeline. Iran can't sell it's oil to the markets hence it is finding a way to circumvent the sanctions being imposed on it by the US and UN. Syria only allows Russian nat gas to go through its territory,denying Qatar the chance to tap into the EU market. Assad won't allow any country except its allies including Russia any pipeline on its territory hence the reason why the US/Qatar/Saudi planning on taking Assad out, contrary to their claims that they don't want regime change.

Iraq is actually better before than it is now, the Iraqis may welcome Russia and Chinese influence more as compared to that of the US, as in the case in Africa where US is having a hard time gaining influence in the region. With the US pivot to Asia, and all other obligations the US just has its hands full. They would be stupid to spread their forces thin and add more to the costs of war and let the taxpayers foot the bill.

With thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future, I am sure that they have veto powers over anything that the Government does.

Pakistan has admittedly been drawn to the arms of China because of the continued close relations between US and India and being branded in the US as an unreliable ally. The US would naturally choose to partner with a democratic India rather than a country wracked by coups and militant Islam. However, Pakistan should remember that both China and Russia has brutally suppressed Islamic influence within and beyond its borders.

Anyway, I think that pipeline is a pipe dream and would take decades to come to fruition, if ever.

[pak88]

It is done in the concept process they are actually going to implement the pipeline. Iran can't sell it's oil to the markets hence it is finding a way to circumvent the sanctions being imposed on it by the US and UN. Syria only allows Russian nat gas to go through its territory,denying Qatar the chance to tap into the EU market. Assad won't allow any country except its allies including Russia any pipeline on its territory hence the reason why the US/Qatar/Saudi planning on taking Assad out, contrary to their claims that they don't want regime change.

Iraq is actually better before than it is now, the Iraqis may welcome Russia and Chinese influence more as compared to that of the US, as in the case in Africa where US is having a hard time gaining influence in the region. With the US pivot to Asia, and all other obligations the US just has its hands full. They would be stupid to spread their forces thin and add more to the costs of war and let the taxpayers foot the bill.

Iraq is vital to your pipeline and whatever influence China and Russia may have, it is under "occupation" and Washington will not tolerate it going over its turf. With Qatar, I don't think the pipeline is that important for them, they can ship whatever stuff they want to like the Saudis do for decades now. It also doesn't make sense to build a pipeline over two unstable countries like Iraq and Syria because it would be a prime and vulnerable target.

[M.A.D.]

1.) Qatar has been funding the rebellion.
2.) Qatar has one of the largest natural gas deposits in the world. It wants to make a pipeline to deliver natural gas to EU that passes through syria. Assad won't allow it because EU nat gas is being monopolized by Gazprom of Russia.
3.) Qatar and Saudi Arabia have made a deal for the pipeline since it will also go through Saudi Arabia. The Nabucco gas pipeline is the brain child of the US, EU, and some arab states. This info has been floating around the web for sometime now.

Sunni Arab states allied with the US and NATO are even planning to pay for the costs, why would they want to fund the war if they don't have any interest at all? They would definitely want to this war to happen because of economic interests, hence the reason why my post like this is relevant to this thread.

'Offer is on the table' for Arab countries to pay for full-scale U.S. invasion of Syria, says Secretary of State John Kerry | Mail Online

Anyway, read and do some research.

Iraq is vital to your pipeline and whatever influence China and Russia may have, it is under "occupation" and Washington will not tolerate it going over its turf. With Qatar, I don't think the pipeline is that important for them, they can ship whatever stuff they want to like the Saudis do for decades now. It also doesn't make sense to build a pipeline over two unstable countries like Iraq and Syria because it would be a prime and vulnerable target.

[pak88]

Qatar has loads of cash to spend and is seeking to be like the Saudis, a major player and benefactor in the Gulf region. I have read that they also gave $7 billion to Egypt and the rebels there. Does it also mean that they are building a pipeline to Egypt?

Building a pipeline through two unstable countries is just plain madness. Guarding it will be a nightmare bordering on impossible over such a long stretch of land. It makes it a lot cheaper if they just ship that stuff and that is what they have been doing for a long time already.

I thought you said earlier that Saudis won't allow that pipeline and now you say that Saudis and Qataris have made a deal?

Just because you read it somewhere doesn't make it true. You also have to analyze data because there are a lot of conspiracy theories that just doesn't make sense.

1.) Qatar has been funding the rebellion.
2.) Qatar has one of the largest natural gas deposits in the world. It wants to make a pipeline to deliver natural gas to EU that passes through syria. Assad won't allow it because EU nat gas is being monopolized by Gazprom of Russia.
3.) Qatar and Saudi Arabia have made a deal for the pipeline since it will also go through Saudi Arabia. The Nabucco gas pipeline is the brain child of the US, EU, and some arab states. This info has been floating around the web for sometime now.

Sunni Arab states allied with the US and NATO are even planning to pay for the costs, why would they want to fund the war if they don't have any interest at all? They would definitely want to this war to happen because of economic interests, hence the reason why my post like this is relevant to this thread.

'Offer is on the table' for Arab countries to pay for full-scale U.S. invasion of Syria, says Secretary of State John Kerry | Mail Online

Anyway, read and do some research.

[bleedingboi]

ot: haha nganong nag.personalay naman nuon ning duha diri. hehe

ont: war is not always a good option. hoping for a peaceful resolution

Telling somebody to stop posting fake links from unofficial sites as it is not helping this thread, is a big deal for this nutcrack.

Now, he's just called me idiot. Epic!


OnT: I think Obama just lost some credibility. In his latest speech, Obama is saying it is not him who made the redline, it is the international community. But search the internet. He has always and still the one using the word redline.

[jeremy lin]

unsa mani nga redline?redline sa rpm

[kit_cebu]

i don't know why Obama is listening to his advisers when all he has to do is to read this thread...