'We tried to contact each other' - captains from both ships that collided.

[vo2max]

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@mang kulas
Mas lisod ng dili ta magbasa kay inig actual mata matahon lang nato
Unsay buot nimo pasabot sa ACTUAL.
ACTUAL nga experience NAKO sa barko? or ACTUAL experience sa barko nga malunod?

Akoa is imagination lang ni tanan kay wala man ko gasakay ug dili sad nako linya. Pero imagina lang diha nga naa pud koy ACTUAL experience pareha nimo

Ha ha ha ingon nmo di ka bansay mu explain mao dili nlng ka muexplain. Miexplain man lagi ka bahin aning duty of the master on a distress situation. Taas taas pa man gani ug completo.

Meantime while i will not disagree with any of your notes above, i wish to summarize everything and wish to point out a very important thing you perhaps missed mentioning.

LOG YOUR ACTIONS & REASONS FOR FAILING TO PROCEED TO THE DISTRESSED VESSEL IN YOUR OFFICAL LOGBOOK AND YOUR COMMUNICATIONS EXCHANGES IN YOUR GMDSS/RADIO LOGBOOK.

If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly.

[sizzlingROBOT]

Right! Distance could be factor pud nganong ni forego sya from extending help.

Kun ako ang Captain sa TransAsia, I would surely dread katong dilemma iya g.face ato na time.

Depende na bro kung pilay gilay.on nila pag hitabo sa incident.. kung 1 mile away na cla, aw! imposible na kaayu nang manlabay silag lifejacket, unya dili man sad ingon ana ka sayon na pa uturn ang parko ug dili sad na basta basta mudool kay basin ma CHOP CHOP iniya ang mga survivors sa propeller kay musuyop raba jud na.

Daghan bro, daghan kaayung reason ang MASTEr

[vo2max]

You have a point ani, Sir.

Pero, how difficult is to call and request the passengers of TransAsia to, at least, throw life jackets and other floating gears into the water? I think sayun ra man siguro ni buhaton unless maghuna2x sila na, ma.usik ila lifejackets.

Apil ko ani beh. May i.

imho.
The Master has a very broad responsibility and with his job he has an overriding authority when it relates to safety (& also security) of his crew/passengers and the vessel. In fact even her owners cannot override that authority.

In the current issue that we are discussing, the master in his discretion did not turn back to render assistance, without prejudice, because he has his reasons not to. It could be paramount to the safety of his passengers, crew and his own vessel, etc. Nobody can refute that fact & even the investigators knows that.
In my opinion as long as he has all the valid reasons then he gets away with it. Again albeit he has all the valid reasons that it is unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed, if it is not on record then he could possibly be charged because there is no proof of his actions.

my 0.02 cents

[mang kulas]

@mang kulas
Mas lisod ng dili ta magbasa kay inig actual mata matahon lang nato
Unsay buot nimo pasabot sa ACTUAL.
ACTUAL nga experience NAKO sa barko? or ACTUAL experience sa barko nga malunod?

Akoa is imagination lang ni tanan kay wala man ko gasakay ug dili sad nako linya. Pero imagina lang diha nga naa pud koy ACTUAL experience pareha nimo

Ha ha ha ingon nmo di ka bansay mu explain mao dili nlng ka muexplain. Miexplain man lagi ka bahin aning duty of the master on a distress situation. Taas taas pa man gani ug completo.

Meantime while i will not disagree with any of your notes above, i wish to summarize everything and wish to point out a very important thing you perhaps missed mentioning.

LOG YOUR ACTIONS & REASONS FOR FAILING TO PROCEED TO THE DISTRESSED VESSEL IN YOUR OFFICAL LOGBOOK AND YOUR COMMUNICATIONS EXCHANGES IN YOUR GMDSS/RADIO LOGBOOK.

If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly.

Dili man bro. ako pasabot ... THEORY+EXPERIENCE kaywith the THEORY only dili pana xa completo

example gud ug nahuman kag MEDICINE (theory gikan sa school) Nurse (Theory from school) it doesnt mean na pwedi na dayon ka mu trabaho as full pledge nurse or DOCTOR without an experience like OJT,
maayu ug puno kas THEORY unya sagulan sad nimug EXPERIENCE, sakto ba?

ang akong point about sa transasia

mu state nasad kog example

naay barko na nagbangga unya nasunog. then it happened na imung barko niagi jud mismo dool sa nasunogan unya imung BARKO, OIL, TANKER, CHEMICAL, LPG,LNG... that master has his own reason nanu dili xa mutabng or MUDOOL sa vessel in distress. coz he is RISKING the SAFETY of his VESSEL and its CREW....example rana xa ha, unya sakto to imung giingon na i LOG sa logbook or sa GMDSS log. na wala ka render ug assistance tungod ani, ana.
Depende man gud na sa circumstances.

So wala ko mag ingon na TANKER ang trans.asia or nasunog ba ang 2GO , ang ATO lng ani kay maminaw nlng taz imbestigasyon kung unsa juy mga reason kay lisod mu create tag theory "nganung wala, nganung gikuan, db pwedi man, kay naa mana sa balaod"

lets just listen because WE are not in their SHOES

[sizzlingROBOT]

Sir vo2max, mugawas man gud na "Case to case" basis ra kun maka.extend ka ug help. Naa mai certain paramaters that would dictate when ka maka.help. If TransAsia is in a position to help, I think mu.help to sila.

Apil ko ani beh. May i.

imho.
The Master has a very broad responsibility and with his job he has an overriding authority when it relates to safety (& also security) of his crew/passengers and the vessel. If fact even her owners cannot override that authority.

In the current issue that we are discussing, the master in his discretion did not turn back to render assistance, without prejudice, because he has his reasons not to. It could be paramount to the safety of his passengers, crew and his own vessel, etc. Nobody can refute that fact & even the investigators knows that.
In my opinion as long as he has all the valid reasons then he gets away with it. Again albeit he has all the valid reasons that it is unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed, if it is not on record then he could possibly be charged because there is no proof of his actions.

my 0.02 cents

[mang kulas]

Mao bitaw naay IMBESTIGASYON. para mahibaw.an jud unsay rason sa TRANS asia CAPTAIN nanu wala xa murender ug assistance para iivaluate sa SBMI ug sa PANEl jud VALID reason ba jud or is he liable. db?

ug kinsa sad jud ang sad.an sa 2 ka barko or naa basad sala ang Transasia. i dont know the ull story kay naa man taz langyaw, sunodsunod lng taz thread ani

[sizzlingROBOT]

Sakto jud ka Mang Kulas. Dapat duna kai good foundation sa theory couple with your experience. And, sometimes, theory and experience might not be enough, intuition importante pud kai, duna things na masugatan nimo na wala nakasulat sa libro or in theory.

Dili man bro. ako pasabot ... THEORY+EXPERIENCE kaywith the THEORY only dili pana xa completo

example gud ug nahuman kag MEDICINE (theory gikan sa school) Nurse (Theory from school) it doesnt mean na pwedi na dayon ka mu trabaho as full pledge nurse or DOCTOR without an experience like OJT,
maayu ug puno kas THEORY unya sagulan sad nimug EXPERIENCE, sakto ba?

ang akong point about sa transasia

mu state nasad kog example

naay barko na nagbangga unya nasunog. then it happened na imung barko niagi jud mismo dool sa nasunogan unya imung BARKO, OIL, TANKER, CHEMICAL, LPG,LNG... that master has his own reason nanu dili xa mutabng or MUDOOL sa vessel in distress. coz he is RISKING the SAFETY of his VESSEL and its CREW....example rana xa ha, unya sakto to imung giingon na i LOG sa logbook or sa GMDSS log. na wala ka render ug assistance tungod ani, ana.
Depende man gud na sa circumstances.

So wala ko mag ingon na TANKER ang trans.asia or nasunog ba ang 2GO , ang ATO lng ani kay maminaw nlng taz imbestigasyon kung unsa juy mga reason kay lisod mu create tag theory "nganung wala, nganung gikuan, db pwedi man, kay naa mana sa balaod"

lets just listen because WE are not in their SHOES

[vo2max]

@mang kulas.

Okay noted yours.
Kinsa man diay ang mga ga create ug theory?

See my post #255 ngano dili ko mo comment indepth.
Para dili pud ta sad-an, tanan nakong post nga naa koy opinion ako gyud i state imho.

[vo2max]

Sir vo2max, mugawas man gud na "Case to case" basis ra kun maka.extend ka ug help. Naa mai certain paramaters that would dictate when ka maka.help. If TransAsia is in a position to help, I think mu.help to sila.

I'm not an expert.
imho
Let me put it this way and create a scenario.
Same situation tangtanggon lang nato ang mga bahura ug uban pang factors nga makapadecide sa kapitan nga dili siya mubalik. Now the situation becomes different.
He now has no valid reasons not to turn back and render assistance.

Now let us create another scenario. Put these two vessels in the open sea in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then that master is required to turn back and render assistance.

I hope that answers your questions.

BTW since Aug 16 up today, 2x na nagbangaan ang Sulpicio ug 2GO. Sa balita nagbanggan na pud daw sila.ganiha

[mang kulas]

I'm not an expert.
imho
Let me put it this way and create a scenario.
Same situation tangtanggon lang nato ang mga bahura ug uban pang factors nga makapadecide sa kapitan nga dili siya mubalik. Now the situation becomes different.
He now has no valid reasons not to turn back and render assistance.

Now let us create another scenario. Put these two vessels in the open sea in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then that master is required to turn back and render assistance.

I hope that answers your questions.

BTW since Aug 16 up today, 2x na nagbangaan ang Sulpicio ug 2GO. Sa balita nagbanggan na pud daw sila.ganiha

OT: that's the POINT... sharing of ideas db? usahay man gud naay daghang scenario na wala sa atong linya and will leave hanging questions WHY? so mao kung kinsang naay idea, share it please kay mao na atong punto sa forum.

ON: pero grabeha noh naa nasay nabangga?