Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[aidz814]

dili man di ie ka expert gi unsa nimo pag conclude nga di tinood? unsay imong gibasehan nga naka ingon ka na di tinuod?

naka basa mi...ug mao nay among gi tuohan

nabasa man gyud kaha nimo from Geness to revelation e specify daw ang mga inconsistencies and contradiction.

wala man ko pai asa ka nag iskwela...bisan sa langit paka nag iskwela

Dili ko expert sa history sa bible pero mao ni ako pag sabot
dapat na diay ma expert ka para naa kay imong opinion?

ikaw expert ka? gi unsa nimo pag conclude nga tinuod na? its on history books brad. kahibaw man cgro ka nga dili jud December 25 ang birthday ni Jesus. dugay2 na ko nka basa ato so limot nako asa to nga chapter ug verse.

[minni]

Bible... even scientist pray when cornered.

[slabdans]

Dili ko expert sa history sa bible pero mao ni ako pag sabot
dapat na diay ma expert ka para naa kay imong opinion?

ikaw expert ka? gi unsa nimo pag conclude nga tinuod na? its on history books brad. kahibaw man cgro ka nga dili jud December 25 ang birthday ni Jesus. dugay2 na ko nka basa ato so limot nako asa to nga chapter ug verse.

mao na diha dili man di ie ka expert pero ,mo engon na ka na daghan inconsistencies and contradiction.

ayun e research sa thread ni breakeven regarding anang pasko unya e readback lang gamay kung uyon baka sa ako post didto

mao na imo pag sabot? mao sad man sad na amo pag sabot sa bible naa kay mahimo? atleast kami naglaom mi sa kaluwasan ikaw unsa man ka?

[aidz814]

mao na diha dili man di ie ka expert pero ,mo engon na ka na daghan inconsistencies and contradiction.

ayun e research sa thread ni breakeven regarding anang pasko unya e readback lang gamay kung uyon baka sa ako post didto

mao na imo pag sabot? mao sad man sad na amo pag sabot sa bible naa kay mahimo? atleast kami naglaom mi sa kaluwasan ikaw unsa man ka?

sa ako ganing pag sabot sa pag basa mao nka ingon ko daghan ug contradictions . dapat jd diay ma expert ka para naa kay opinion?

i post lang ang page number beh kay taas2 jd ni nga thread.

nag buot ko sa imong na sabtan? im just stating my opinion. im not forcing my belief down your throat.

[slabdans]

sa ako ganing pag sabot sa pag basa mao nka ingon ko daghan ug contradictions . dapat jd diay ma expert ka para naa kay opinion?

i post lang ang page number beh kay taas2 jd ni nga thread.

nag buot ko sa imong na sabtan? im just stating my opinion. im not forcing my belief down your throat.

e specify lagi asa ang contradiction...asa man bi?

according to your previous post daghan contradiction ug discrepancies asa man dapit? daghan man kaha?

[libido]

naa nasad mo diri ah nag lalis mo ah,, naay ni sulod sa akong ulo lang,..sa mga atheist..dba ni ingon mo nga ang bible dili consistent sa events then ang science consistent karon ang panguta nako, sa ka consistent sa science ba naa namo name kung kinsa gyd nag buhat sa earth?...kay ang bible, old to new.consistent kaau..

[libido]

Idola gyd nako nimo slabs oi..tungod kay g fact man sa science mo ingon daun nga discrepancies or contradiction, unya ug katong naa asteroid nga na balita..ingon ang science all we need is to pray..NASA pa gani na..hahayz..even scientist believed in GOD and his miracles.

e specify lagi asa ang contradiction...asa man bi?

according to your previous post daghan contradiction ug discrepancies asa man dapit? daghan man kaha?

[reyscott1968]

ari kos bible.. daghang butang d ma explain sa science...

[noy]

@noy

let me start from your term SPECIFIC.

i honestly think that everything that had happen were not specifically made.i think everything happened, accidentaly, and were adapted through the years. amongst all the planet, earth is the most appropriate planet to have life, (not because it's specifically made, but because it happen by proof, distance from other planets, temperature, atmosphere and anything else. if some other planet were in the same position then it would also happen to it) and so it indeed adapted life, began from the smallest organism until to its current state. adapted different particles, genes, and whatsoever (im no science geek) and began to progress.

and yet this doesn't amaze you bai? (taasa pud nimu ug standard oi..Lol ) simple ra man kaayo akong pagsabut aning mga butanga..tungod sa ka SPECIFIC sa Universe, maka ingun ko nga naa juy naghimo..otherwise there wouldn;t be any specifications at all.
how come that everything follows a natural Law?if again everything were just a mere product of CHANCE?
mao niy point nga akong gi raise bai.

take a certain COMPUTER PROGRAM for example...(anything you can think of nga na amaze ka), like mga online tools nga inyo gigamit sa office para mapadali inyong trabaho... then ingnon ta ka nga WALAY gahimo ana... mutoo ka? of course not..

i'm no Science geek either, but i have been very fascinated how as BIG as the UNIVERSE is being GOVERNED by certain LAWS.. ingun pa sa mga banggiitan
the universe kuno is like a HUGE computer system...
i guess you should check this link out for a better view of my perspective as to why i consider creation as PROOF in itself for God's existence.
LINK: Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God

diba ang usa ka nasod matunhay kung naay balaod sundon? unya naay development
kung naay purpose?(LAWS of NATURE diba?)

now, tan.aw nimu natunhay ang universe karun? kung wala..basin wala sab ta karun
so natunhay jud diay..haha again because of the Laws it follow

naay development ang universe? of course from a single quark, into protons and electrons, into atom..hangtud nahimong bisag unsa...then big bang came....
hangtud naay planets, then naka acquire ug specific gravitational pull nga dili magbangga...hangtud naabut ang earth na ready for Lifeform(ambut ug unsa ang pinaka una)..
don't you think this development is not enough proof that the universe has been purposely created?

however wa koy mabuhat if you won't consider what i presented earlier as a proof that someone who is infinitely intelligent created the universe... imoha man pud na.

if everything happened specifically, why didn't it happen to other planets? because it cannot afford to produce life, then what's the specific use of these planets?

i don't know the specifics 'cause i'm not the one who made them...LOL
well perhaps to remind us that we are tiny bitty small people and are not suppose to be concluding Absolutes. or perhaps they serve as proof that God exists..haha
or possible nga kung wala sila...wala pud ta karun kay mausab ang orbit and current law nga iya gi follow nga naka produce ug something nga naa nato karun...
maski pag muingun ta nga ga posing-posing lang na sila diha...like the moon diba?
kung way moon...baw lang kaha ug di ba magkagiliyang atong ocean tides...

if everything is specific, why do teeths grow in different positions? why do we have different genes? different DNA? why are we somewhat connected to other species? simple because we adapted everything.

bai, different positions of our teeth have different purposes...
again that shows purpose...like i said earlier..everything has a purpose...
even as simple as pagpangawt sa atong lubot...naa nay purpose..hehehehe
ang universe na hinuon wala?ay resulta lang sa billions of years nga inunsahay diha?
unya maka produce ug specifc results? i don;t know about you bai ha but i see a huge contradiction.

now is purpose something that comes out from something random?
purpose indicates specifics bai(katuyoan or tinuyoan)
so kung naay purpose, then naa jud nay intelligence behind it...
suma gud...mabuhi ba diay ang purpose kung wala ang tao nga naghun-huna anang certain nga purpose?
ang balay naay purpose diba? naa kahay balay kung wala ang nagplano ana?

the uniqueness of our DNA is another proof of purpose actually ... walay tao nga prehas nimu ug DNA...
sure ka nga atong DNA naay connection with other species? like that of a Frog?
naa hinuoy tao nga murag baki ug nawng..LOL but it doesn;t mean nga nga naay connection...

perhaps your referring to DNA structuring..of course prehas jud ta with other species kay prehas man ta naay mga kinabuhi...

my word for you is ADAPTABILITY, you can conclude that everything happen specifically because you feel it to be so perfect, yet it isn't, it was adapted through billion or millions of years.

PERFECTED in billions of years, YES that is a FACT.
now does that PROVE the absense of a creator?
diba nagsugod ang computer system sa usa ka CALCULATOR lang? unya di pajud nang calcu nga atong nahibaw.an karun...kadto pa jud nang mga beads2x...nga murag duwaan sa bata?several years passed..TAN-AWA ang COMPUTER KARUN? YES dunay adaptability nahitabo..nagpasabut ba na nga way naghimu? we can both agree that the answer would be NO of course. same principle can be applied to the creation of the universe bai if you permit.

"lso you quoted "if God exists, it's between you and Him..."
the word "if" bothered me, so are you still considering the possibility that god do not exist?

ayg ka bothered bai oi..hehehe
it just shows that despite of the sureness level i have that God does exist
unlike some, i believe that no human being has the capacity in concluding absolutes.
i am just merely stating my case why i believe there is God. the "IF"
on my statement does not signify doubt but rather my humanity(that i am only finite and has limitatiosns).

well now since you've brought this up, ngutana unta ko nimu...regarding your views on God's non-existence
are you saying that you think God does not exist? or you know that God does not exist? so which is which?

lastly, just want to ask something, this is somewhat more about religion, because i think you have a wide knowledge about it.
lets assume that one god totally exist, why do we have different religion and different beliefs? also why do we have to worship this god? rather than just leave it be?

haha..thanks for the compliment, i have knowledge about the religion that i follow bai.. and sa uban kay ambut ug significant bah ang level
but i'll try to answer your question..

First, different religion exist because of choices that each person makes...
Like the Christians decided to believe that Jesus was God..hence Christianity came in the picture from Judaism.. Islam on the other hand do not identify themselves as Jews but follow lots of similar religious views(not necessarily traditions).

the whole group is best referred to as part of the ABRAHAMIC FAITH.

now, naa pud BUDDHIST, PAGANISM, HINDUISM. Jovism( Lol )
simply because they do not share the same views with other religion..

now, because of the diveristy in religious, can we conclude that there's no God?
i hope you'd say no. hahaha

what do you mean by "why do we have to worship this god" ? can you elaborate?

bai worshiping God or a certain God is your choice.. but if you'll ask me why you should...
the reason is simply because you are not god.

however, way namugos nimu kung mu worship ka ug dili...like i said before
if God exists, it's between you and Him.

i find your ideas very interesting, i hope this discussion continues in a good manner.

thank you.

thank you. i can assure you i am well mannered... LOL
bitaw, istorya2x ra gud ni ato diri...mao bitaw istorya.net..hehehe

[slabdans]

Lol naapil naman nimo noon ang jovism bay @noy