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  1. #191

    Quote Originally Posted by dekarcane View Post
    nasahan ra nako sa ako facebook. Check it out guys. It's a good read and really related to this topic. hehe

    It's about Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, C, C++, Lua, tcl, javascript and Java benchmark/comparison.

    Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, C, C++, Lua, tcl, javascript and Java comparison
    Good read bitaw sir. Dugay naman na nga issue na hinay jud ang java. Kinahanglan man gud siya ug iyang java virtual machine. Sadly dili ta basta2x maka-buot ug language na ato gusto gamitun kay either dili siya applicable sa programs, applications or products sa ato mga companies or dili ta gusto musugod ug entry level na position as a developer using that language.

  2. #192
    ang language na gamiton kay dependi sa technology, device or platform na required sa project.
    heck you cannot use a pure java code when creating software for embedded device or a an AAA games with more calculations, people use C/C++ or native for it.
    while its very daunting to use C/C++ for web development so scripting languages such as PHP, javascript, ASP, etc. are used.
    for desktop applications, dependi pd na sa target like, unsa ka paspas ang machines, etc. kelangan ba ug installan ug virtual machines like .NET or JVM, etc.

    so kung unsa na language ang gamit, dependi na sa project.

  3. #193
    All of the .NET based language. C#, VB.NET, F#, Managed C++, but primarily C#.

    Two reasons:

    1) Career opportunities. Okay ang demand sa .NET developers.
    2) Personal preference. Nagsugod ko C++ so dali ra ang transition to C#. C# is also semantically similar to other major languages like C++, Java and Javascript, so gamay2x ra pud ang learning curve.

    Also, do you know you can create iOS and Android applications using C#, reusing majority of your existing code with very little platform specific code? Tan-awa diri mga boss Xamarin - Build cross-platform iOS, Android, Mac and Windows apps with C# and .NET

  4. #194
    the cons about the language you just said are NOT OPEN SOURCE or mostly enterprise... which maybe on some part of this world are common.. but on the other hand a lot corporation are moving towards open source... so i wouldnt limit myself with those... the safest maybe is to focus on C++ and Python... since most of industry standard are made on this one... java is nice... but not as nice as the snake...

  5. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    the cons about the language you just said are NOT OPEN SOURCE or mostly enterprise... which maybe on some part of this world are common.. but on the other hand a lot corporation are moving towards open source... so i wouldnt limit myself with those... the safest maybe is to focus on C++ and Python... since most of industry standard are made on this one... java is nice... but not as nice as the snake...
    @salbahis "NOT OPEN SOURCE"? You must be living in a cave to not know that most of technologies and tools from Microsoft ARE open source and free. And there are a lot of .NET technologies that are coming from the community.

    Just to name a few:

    https://aspnetwebstack.codeplex.com/ (All of ASP.NET stack except WebForms)
    https://entityframework.codeplex.com/ (Microsoft's ORM)
    https://rx.codeplex.com/
    https://typescript.codeplex.com/ (Including the compiler)
    https://katanaproject.codeplex.com/ (Microsoft's OWIN Implementation)
    https://xunit.codeplex.com/ (Unit testing framework)
    https://nuget.codeplex.com/ (Think of it as Ruby Gems for .NET)
    Orchard Project - Home (CMS from Microsofties)

    SharpDX - Managed DirectX (An open source .NET DirectX API)
    https://monogame.codeplex.com/ (An open source implementation for XNA, so you can write once and play anywhere. Ever heard of Bastion?)
    Mono (An open source implementation of the .NET Framework)

    Too many too mention here actually, so just take a look at here Microsoft || Open Source - Highlighted Projects. Again, more of these are community driven. Want to see more? Just go to CodePlex - Open Source Project Hosting and http://github.com.

    There are open source tools as well which is a good alternative to Visual Studio like SharpDevelop and MonoDevelop. But there are express versions (free) of Visual Studio as well.

    I'm surprised how you do not see the value in sharing majority of your code base to target multiple platforms (iOS, OSX, Android, Windows, Windows Phone and Windows 8 ). Not only are you going to use your existing skills, but it allows faster time to market and helps you produce more maintainable code since you only have to write little platform specific code.

    The Xamarin products I pointed out is from a private company which creates development tools to make NATIVE (note, native not some HTML5 BS) application development so much easier, of course its not free, it's their product. They are also the team who brought us Mono and Monogame. Again, you do not need these tools to target multiple platforms you can use the Mono derivatives. But I personally don't mind paying for such great tools which will allow me to be more productive and penetrate multiple markets in one swoop.

    I'm sorry but this is just plain ignorance. If this was MS a couple of years ago, I would agree with you. Again, this is not your grandpa's Microsoft. I'm no fan boy (I know other languages and tools too) but I'm really impressed how Microsoft is embracing open source.

    "mostly enterprise"
    - Is that a bad thing? I don't know about you but I personally prefer working on enterprise solutions using enterprise-level technologies compared to work on projects requiring "open source" technologies JUST because its free.

    "but on the other hand a lot corporation are moving towards open source"
    - I don't think SOME of these corporations are moving towards open source just because its free. There's a reason why most corporations use Windows, have you seen the desktop market lately? But anyway, this isn't a real concern if you're a .NET developer, as I pointed out .NET technologies is embracing open source and you'll be able to target multiple platforms.

    "so i wouldnt limit myself with those"
    - Again, I also know and used other languages. I don't even consider myself "limited", as I pointed out, you can target multiple platforms using Portable Class Libraries (PCL), Xamarin or the Mono derivatives.

    "the safest maybe is to focus on C++ and Python"
    - This is just an opinion. Every technology will always have a market and the demand for it will always change. I don't choose what technology I use just because it is "hip" or just because someone posted its the "safest".

    "since most of industry standard are made on this one"
    - What industry? Where are the facts? I'm not disagreeing nor agreeing, just want to see the numbers. If not, this is just your opinion.

    Again, I've heard similar arguments before but I personally think its just ignorance. Thank you.

  6. #196
    mangugat diay ka?

  7. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    mangugat diay ka?
    Any intelligent reply? Just shows your ignorance. LOL

  8. #198
    Ako siguro diri ang old skol hehe..

    VBA - (main)

    But kahibaw sab ko og mga basic ani:
    PHP
    Java
    C
    C#
    JSP
    VB
    Sencha (web mobile)

  9. #199
    I'm sticking with python for now because it can run multiple platforms. But I'm also reviewing back my crappy vb6 and move to .net. In that way, I'm marketable on both sides.

  10. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by cubski View Post
    Any intelligent reply? Just shows your ignorance. LOL
    Im an open source purist and regular contributor, i may self had created closed source platform that is already been used and test before being released as open source...

    now let's define open source first... open source mean you are free what you can do to it... heck you can even modify the source code of the interpreter or compiler... and implementation like i said im a purist... its not really an open source but rather to an implementation... if aint coming from the original source then its not open source... implentation is reverse engineering. now can you do that to any of microsoft stuff? free doesnt mean you can do what you want.

    and yes i live in the cave because im busy contributing to the open source community... that i forgot to get out and see the light... then again im a purist i only consider the pure blooded open source language....

    we are talking about the language in its pure form, not the implementation... kay pwede nato ma ingon nga ang CodeIgniter or Django is an open source language...

    ignorance my a$$

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